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JVL said:Kenneth Stern is a Zionist and certainly no leftist. Nevertheless to his credit the original author of the IHRA definition is a consistent defender of free speech who condemns the current McCarthyite usage of the IHRA definition.
I watched the interview with Margaret Hodge concerning her feeling that the Labour party hierarchy were " coming for her " and likened it to stories her father had told her about his life and experiences in 1930's Nazi Germany .
The woman , imo , is a pathetic creature that needs to add in the context of why the Labour leadership contacted her to attend a disciplinary , the alleged " coming for her " claim.
Well, if you make a public statement claiming that your party leader is a " f****n' antisemite " , read a racist bigot , expect to face a disciplinary. Who seriously amongst us here would NOT expect to be hauled before the powers that be for such conduct ?
More on Hodges' bizarre comparison that receiving this summons was like being sort after by SS officers in 1930's Germany. Well, it's evidently ridiculous to compare the two situations. She might wish to fool herself that the comparison is valid if only to try to , falsely imo , garner some desperate sense of the very real suffering and fear her parents definitely encountered with the added bonus of actually jettisoning the responsibility for her own actions.
As for the Labour leaderships , imo , brave stand against attempted Jewish censorship of criticism of Israel and Israeli policies by some Jewish organisations in not yielding to these scumbags.
Whilst people might be forgiven for thinking that every Jew on the planet supported the attacks on Corbyn and Labour for alleged antesemitism , the disparity of views on MSM was glaring as ever , the man that actually produced the definition of antisemitism that the IHRA demand be foisted upon everyone , Kenneth Stern , has condemned its usurpation to silence criticism of Israel as an attack on freedom of speech..
https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.or...drafted-the-ihra-definition-condemns-its-use/
The pathetic hyperbole by some Jewish leaders that has accompanied this farce should have elicited ridicule all by themselves regardless of whatever minority group had made such ridiculous claims. Marie van der Zyl on the news claiming that any future Labour election win would leave her fearing an .................. wait for it , shock horror , " existential threat " to the British Jewish population . This is the junk we have had to endure from people who arrogantly seek to demand that their definition be bludgeoned into Labours MO despite the fact that the Labour Party is an elected body with the right to decide for itself and it's members what it throws it's cap on and what it chooses not to.
The Labour antisemitism row is just the latest attempt by establishment cronies to ouster Corbyn from the Labour leadership and/or undermine the party's image whilst he is at the helm.
It follows on from charges that he was some sort of Cold War USSR would be traitor/spy in the past and just loves Arab terrorism/terrorists............. all junkie claims based on anything and everything the McCarthy type witch hunt can throw up no matter how tenuous the links
Corbyn is the only Labour leader to have disciplined members for antisemitism.
:roll::lamo
Strange but true. Breaks the memes tho.
Corbyn is a stupid anti-Semite.
No, he really isn't, but I can see why it is politically convenient for people on the right to make the claim. There certainly have been some voices within the Labour Party that have flirted with anti-semitic sentiments. I don't think it's possible to argue that Ken Livingston doesn't have a problem with confusing Judaism with militant Zionism. Jeremy Corbyn has no such problem. If you think he has, you have a perfect platform right here to prove your point.
There is no doubt that Corbyn's Labour is a party much more disposed to solidarity with the Palestinian people. The more opportunistic of his opponents both within the party and beyond will and have used that change of position as a reason to make an all-out assault on his anti-racist position.
I think some critics are motivated by a horror of a party with a good chance of coming to power in the UK having a hostile attitude towards the current Israeli régime and its policies regarding the 'peace' process. I think others are motivated by a horror of a Marxist becoming PM and are prepared to use the dirtiest of tricks to prevent that happening.
What I think they are all misjudging is that the hyperbole and exaggeration they are employing is just a bit too transparent. When Margaret Hodge makes analogies between Corbyn and Hitler I think most people, and not just Corbyn supporters, think "That's a bit nuts". She has made it quite clear that her aim in all this is to end his leadership of the party, and she made that clear way before this recent, and I'd say largely manufactured, anti-semitism row. She called for a no-confidence vote in his leadership over 2 years ago. She's not outraged by this, she's delighted to be given an added weapon with which to attack the leadership. They might be damaging Labour in what they are doing, but I also think they are damaging the cause of eliminating anti-semitism from society too.
The New York Review of Books (see OP) is consistently on the left. Neither the New York Times nor the Boston Globe can be called right wing in any rational universe. Mr. Corbyn is an anti-Semite.
Opinion | Getting Off the Fence About Jeremy Corbyn's Anti-Semitism
The New York Times
Aug 27, 2018 · Is Jeremy Corbyn an anti-Semite? That is the question that has dogged British politics since Mr. Corbyn became the Labour Party leader three years ago. It's also dominated every Shabbat dinner ...
Will anti-Semite Jeremy Corbyn be the next British PM? - The Boston Globe
The Boston Globe › 2018/08/31 › story
4 days ago · British Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn delivers a speech outlining the party's policy on Brexit in ... If that happens, will British voters have chosen an anti-Semite to lead their country?
Saying that your sources are left-leaning really isn't conclusive proof of anything, now is it? If you want to prove your point you need to quote him or cite him actually saying or doing something anti-semitic, don't you? I am not familiar with the Boston Globe, but I'm going to fight shy of taking the word of a foreign, provincial newspaper on something I hardly believe they will be well-informed about. How interested are you in what the Manchester Evening News thinks about the suitability of Brett Kavanaugh for the USSC?
It may have national reach, just not of the relevant nation.The Boston Globe is a newspaper of national reach and reputation, owned, I believe, by the New York Times.
*That kinda depends on what you call the right. Margaret Hodge, Corbyn's self-appointed nemesis is a Labour politician. I think she'd describe herself as a socialist. I'm absolutely sure you would, yet she's one of the key figures on the right of the Labour Party, the wing that's trying to ditch Corbyn. I guarantee you, the hyped-up criticism isn't coming from the left of him.You're the one who pointed to the right as the source of Mr. Corbyn's problems, so it seemed fair to explain that's not the well I'm drawing on.
Weasel words, both from the Daily Mail and the NYT. What does 'promoted by the Qassam Brigades' mean? It wasn't their event, it was a Palestinian Return Centre event. Did the Qassam Brigades even participate? I haven't seen any such evidence. Damning by alleged association. Cheap stuff.Now, from the Times:
". . . Then, last Thursday, The Daily Mail released a video of Mr. Corbyn speaking at a 2013 conference in London about Britain’s legacy in Palestine. The conference was promoted by the Qassam Brigades, the military wing of Hamas.
It may have national reach, just not of the relevant nation. *That kinda depends on what you call the right. Margaret Hodge, Corbyn's self-appointed nemesis is a Labour politician. I think she'd describe herself as a socialist. I'm absolutely sure you would, yet she's one of the key figures on the right of the Labour Party, the wing that's trying to ditch Corbyn. I guarantee you, the hyped-up criticism isn't coming from the left of him.
Weasel words, both from the Daily Mail and the NYT. What does 'promoted by the Qassam Brigades' mean? It wasn't their event, it was a Palestinian Return Centre event. Did the Qassam Brigades even participate? I haven't seen any such evidence. Damning by alleged association. Cheap stuff.
The NYRB is a very left publication.
I'm afraid the McCarthy deflection won't work here.
Never mentioned it/them so obviously you never actually bothered to read my post properly
I described how that McCarthyesque campaign of attacking Corbyn had unfolded and the angles it has taken on. You didn't even mention any of them but decide to try to smear a post you never read , attacking people I never cited solely on their political bent whilst attempting to speak for the whole community here as to what will " work " and what won't here
There were ample points in that post you could have responded to but you evidently have nothing of any value to add so I suggest you stop embarrassing yourself with BS/inert posts like the one above
The Qassam Brigades are not the point or the centerpiece of concern. You're dodging.
You brought this up and now wish to distance yourself from a response to it you don't/didn't like and you claim the other person is " dodging ".............. and I suppose you expect to be taken seriously too
Corbyn is a racist bigot.
The point about NYRB is that they are not part of the international Jewish conspiracy you imagine is at work here.
Read the link.
No he's not . Just because you want it to be true doesn't make it so
I never mentioned anything about any " international Jewish conspiracy " being " at work here " either
Is this what you do every time you spout off on stuff you obviously don't know much if anything about ?
Did you or did you not bring the Qassam Brigades into this debate ?
Saying that your sources are left-leaning really isn't conclusive proof of anything, now is it? If you want to prove your point you need to quote him or cite him actually saying or doing something anti-semitic, don't you?
It's what you were dog whistling about.
Now it isn't it's just your usual attempts at straw men and evasion. Everything I cited in my first post here was/is strictly from a British origin . If you had bothered reading it that would have been self evident. You didn't and now just wish to trash talk over peoples responses to your posts/points
Why ?
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