Cassapolis
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star2589 said:why do people have to be so stupid... :doh
Cassapolis said:Seems to have the exact opposite effect in many cases.
Cassapolis said:ASSOCIATED PRESS
03/02/2006
ANDERSON, Mo. (AP) -- Members of a Kansas group known for their "God Hates Fags" placards say they'll picket the weekend funeral of a Missouri soldier, setting up the first direct challenge of a new state law.
Blue Collar Joe said:May as well put my two cents in. I'll get change, anyway. I am against homosexual marriage. Just state that. I am a person who tries to be a good christian, but usually fail. Got a lot of issues with language.
But this guy Phelps? Please don't think he represents the Christians. He is completely ignorant of what he says. The Bible is quite clear on the hate the sin, but not the sinner part.
And dishonoring the soldiers is an insult. I truly hope that the bikers show up. They ride and run interference against this moron and his ilk.
I agree with what you've said except your first sentence...jallman said:Man, no one who knows anything about christians believes this guy represents them. Dont sweat it and dont think you have to make excuses for him. He is going straight to hell when he dies and so are all the people who support him. I know its praying for evil, but the devil take him sooner than later.
cnredd said:But what do we have on this forum?...People who still want to portray him as some sort of leader for the intelligent masses...Take a look...
Robertson: Sharon Stroke is Rebuke From God
How About Calling for Assassination of Robertson?
Holy Land Theme Park? Tacky, Tacky, Mr. Robertson, and Quite Unchristian Too.
Venezuela Seeks Extradition of Pat Robertson for Terrorism
A three strike law for TV preachers?
Pat Robertson to Town: "God Hates You"
Pat Robertson Says people in Dover PA. Are doomed
I could go to posts, too, but as you can imagine, I'd be here all day...But here's something intersting to point out...
EVERYONE of these posts?..Not ONE started by someone who doesn't hate Bush...They want to equate Robertson with the party, which is something the Conservative members themselves don't even do...
Don't believe me?...Do a search...Find me a thread started by a REPUBLICAN saying anything Robertson has done or said is good...
You won't find one...
Because the Conservative contingency on this forum doesn't think that way...the same way the starters of these threads are trying to imply...
Go through those threads...You find overwhelming majority, if not unanimous thoughts on how everyone AGREES that Robertson is a turd...Doesn't that kinda make him an irrelevant debate topic?...You know...When everyone AGREES????...
But the thread starters don't WANT that...They are under the implication that they ATTACKED, so someone must come on and DEFEND...
Ain't gonna happen...
So...Let's throw out your statement again...
Man, no one who knows anything about christians believes this guy represents them
Let me ask a simple question...If the ones starting these threads don't believe this, then WHY are they starting these threads????...
To reaffirm what everyone already knows???...What's the point?...
Cassapolis said:He founded the nondenominational church that claims God is allowing soldiers, coal miners and others to be killed because the United States tolerates homosexuals.
cnredd said:Some members here are more than happy to report on the tactics of the religious fringe in an attempt to smear the whole religious community or Republican Party...
cnredd said:I agree with what you've said except your first sentence...
Some members here are more than happy to report on the tactics of the religious fringe in an attempt to smear the whole religious community or Republican Party...
I'll use the biggie as an example...Pat Robertson...
Here's an old thread that was a combo of threads with the same premise...
"Hey everybody!...Look what Pat Robertson said today!!!!!"
If you check it out, you'll see the responses, especially from the Conservative contingency, were in agreement that good 'ol Robbie is a complete jackass and doesn't represent anyone with a clue...
But what do we have on this forum?...People who still want to portray him as some sort of leader for the intelligent masses...Take a look...
Robertson: Sharon Stroke is Rebuke From God
How About Calling for Assassination of Robertson?
Holy Land Theme Park? Tacky, Tacky, Mr. Robertson, and Quite Unchristian Too.
Venezuela Seeks Extradition of Pat Robertson for Terrorism
A three strike law for TV preachers?
Pat Robertson to Town: "God Hates You"
Pat Robertson Says people in Dover PA. Are doomed
I could go to posts, too, but as you can imagine, I'd be here all day...But here's something intersting to point out...
EVERYONE of these posts?..Not ONE started by someone who doesn't hate Bush...They want to equate Robertson with the party, which is something the Conservative members themselves don't even do...
Don't believe me?...Do a search...Find me a thread started by a REPUBLICAN saying anything Robertson has done or said is good...
You won't find one...
Because the Conservative contingency on this forum doesn't think that way...the same way the starters of these threads are trying to imply...
Go through those threads...You find overwhelming majority, if not unanimous thoughts on how everyone AGREES that Robertson is a turd...Doesn't that kinda make him an irrelevant debate topic?...You know...When everyone AGREES????...
But the thread starters don't WANT that...They are under the implication that they ATTACKED, so someone must come on and DEFEND...
Ain't gonna happen...
So...Let's throw out your statement again...
Man, no one who knows anything about christians believes this guy represents them
Let me ask a simple question...If the ones starting these threads don't believe this, then WHY are they starting these threads????...
To reaffirm what everyone already knows???...What's the point?...
Navy Pride said:This is a fringe nut group..............Why even give them any press.......
BWG said:The door swings both ways. Take the above quote and make slight changes.
'Some members here are more than happy to report on the tactics of the liberal fringe (some don't even have to be an announced liberal or Democrat) in an attempt to smear the whole liberal community or Democrat Party...
Some people support the fringe of either side, but they most certainly are not representative of the whole of either side. :twocents:
Take it for what it's worth, if the shoe fits, etc., etc., etc.
You're asking me why "I" am making this a partisan issue...I am not...If you read through these threads, you'll find that the condemnation of Pat Robertson is across the political spectrum...I am pointing out OTHERS that have made it a partisan issue...aps said:Pat Robertson says controversial things, and people like to vent about it. What's wrong with that? It's nice when people from both parties can agree on a topic. I love to have whatever bugs me validated by others. I think it brings more camaraderie to this message board.
In my dictionary, the first meaning of debate is "to consider or deliberate." The second meaning is "to engage in argument by discussing opposing views." Even if I agree with someone, reading their take on an issue can provide me with more insight into the issue. I love connecting with people on a subject with which we agree. And it's particularly nice when I can do that with someone who is of the opposite political party.
Why do you need to make the condemning of Pat Robertson partisan? See bold and underline. I just don't get it.
GarzaUK said:That is because the religious right is split into two groups, the "fire and brimstone group" and the "pro-life group".
In recent elections the f&b group have sucessfully narrowed down the policies of the religious right into 2 - abortion and gay marriage. Two policies that favour the Republican Party. The pro-life group are the REAL christains IMO, anti-poverty, pro-environment, pro-life, anti-war, even the support of gay rights (yeah surprising right). These are the group of evangeicals that get ignored during election time. Hopefully maybe they are taking over the fire and brimstone Pat robertson types that go against the teachings of Christ for the sake of siding with the GOP.
Mikkel said:"'Unless we get medically lucky, in three or four years,
one of the options discussed will be the extermination of homosexuals."
Dr. Paul Cameron
"many of those people involved in Adolf Hitler were Satanists, many of them were homosexuals, the two things seem to go together, it is a pathology it is a sickness." - Pat Robertson
"[Homosexuals]want to come into churches and disrupt church services and throw blood all around and try to give people AIDS and spit in the face of ministers." -Pat Robertson
There's plenty of hate spewing from the right. Expressing offensive or repugnant views is hardly a liberal phenomena.
danarhea said:3) Why should Robertson be on the list? His contributions to the Bush campaigns are one good reason he is on that list, or received grant money from FEMA. So did other religious Neocons who promoted the Bush campaigns. Herbert J. Lusk II also promoted Bush, and also got a one million dollar grant from FEMA.
SouthernDemocrat said:Pat Robertson and Falwell have both ate dinner at the Whitehouse on several occasions with Bush. They both have plenty of power in the Republican Party. They are both Republicans. They both pushed a video during the nineties that claimed that our president at the time, Clinton, was a murderer. They both claim that 9/11 was because of gays, lesbians, feminists, and those who are pro-choice. They both raise money for Republicans and Republican causes. They both campaign for Republicans and Republican causes. They both urge their followers to vote Republican. They are both every bit as big of a sack of **** that Farrakhan is. They both represent consistencies that are so large and powerful in the Republican party that if it were not for them, the Republicans would go the way of the Whigs.
kal-el said:Really? Please explain Pat Robertson (Christian and Conservative Republican) and Jerry Fallwell (Same), and almost every single Republican is a Christian. http://www.theocracywatch.org/
Wawa, save your crying for someone that cares. I don't think the Republican-run churches are identical to early churches either. For one, the early church had no places of worship- they were just people who believed in Jesus's resurrection. Actaully, during persecution, churches were probably dangerous to be caught in. If you read some letters from the NT, some churches were called by there city names. So, neither Repub nor Democrat has any resemblence to basic Christianity, nice try tho.:lol:
If this is true, then why are there so many posts and threads with Robertson even being mentioned?...If he is SOOOO "on the fringe"(which I believe), then why is he constantly being mentioned over and over and over again?...jallman said:Man, no one who knows anything about christians believes this guy represents them.
I would agree with you IF you would supply an example or two...BWG said:The door swings both ways. Take the above quote and make slight changes.
'Some members here are more than happy to report on the tactics of the liberal fringe (some don't even have to be an announced liberal or Democrat) in an attempt to smear the whole liberal community or Democrat Party...
Some people support the fringe of either side, but they most certainly are not representative of the whole of either side. :twocents:
Take it for what it's worth, if the shoe fits, etc., etc., etc.
As stated in my post to aps, my comments were dircted to jallman's comment...Kelzie said:So did you actually have something to say about the topic at hand, or did you just want to get a dig in at some of the liberals on the forum?
cnredd said:You're asking me why "I" am making this a partisan issue...I am not...If you read through these threads, you'll find that the condemnation of Pat Robertson is across the political spectrum...I am pointing out OTHERS that have made it a partisan issue...
I wrote this on that last post...
I could go to posts, too, but as you can imagine, I'd be here all day...
Since you're blaming ME for making this partisan, I guess I gotta show the evidence now that it's NOT me...These are just a few...
For the sake of time, this is just 5 of them from 5 different members...I'm pretty sure you know I could find many more...
Do you understand my point?...These are people that are PURPOSEFULLY equating Robertson with Republicans, Neocons, and whatever else they're against politically...THEY are bringing partisanship into their discussions about Robertson...not me...
Remember...I was just pointing out the disagreement from jallman's comment...Here it is again...
If this is true, then why are there so many posts and threads with Robertson even being mentioned?...If he is SOOOO "on the fringe"(which I believe), then why is he constantly being mentioned over and over and over again?...
Why?...because there are people here that DO believe that Robertson is "this guy" that "represents them"...
Let's be honest here...Whatever Pat Robertson says something out of whack, the response isn't "Pat Robertson said something out of whack"...
The response is "That Bush-loving, Republican, Neocon, Pat Robertson said something out of whack."...
There are people here that MUST point this out, even though you can go to any thread here with Robertson in the discussion and see that the "Bush-loving, Republican, & Neocons" hate Robertson with equal vigor and find it insulting that he is being placed in the same group...
If that was not true, you'd be able to find overwhelming evidence here that there are many people who say that Robertson IS a good example of someone representing their views...
Do you think you could do that?...I think not...
Captain America said:I say we pack up Robertson, Churchill, O'Reilly, Coulter, Moore, Dean, Hannity, and send them all off on a long voyage in a slow boat.
And instead of wishing them Bon Voyage at the pier, we all gather, conservatives, liberals, republicans and democrats alike, and as we wave bye-bye, we ALL shout to the top of our lungs.....
"You idiots DO NOT speak for us!!"
cnredd said:You're asking me why "I" am making this a partisan issue...I am not...If you read through these threads, you'll find that the condemnation of Pat Robertson is across the political spectrum...I am pointing out OTHERS that have made it a partisan issue...
I wrote this on that last post...
I could go to posts, too, but as you can imagine, I'd be here all day...
Since you're blaming ME for making this partisan, I guess I gotta show the evidence now that it's NOT me...These are just a few...
For the sake of time, this is just 5 of them from 5 different members...I'm pretty sure you know I could find many more...
Do you understand my point?...These are people that are PURPOSEFULLY equating Robertson with Republicans, Neocons, and whatever else they're against politically...THEY are bringing partisanship into their discussions about Robertson...not me...
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