Anti Free Speech = EVIL!!!

[bomberfox]

A good thing to remember that murray doesnt seem to understand as ive shown in multiple studies is the study of intelligence is not racist in and of itself as murray alleges but the criticism is that he misrepresents the whole field by appealing to hackneyed think tanks and crank pseudo journals. This is what Linda tends to obfuscate when she pretends that the argument is that intelligence doesnt matter. Smart cat uses this distortion of the criticism Murray and Rushton receive from actual experts in the field of cognitive testing and education have levied. Notice that the brookings institute studies went toe to toe with Rushton on his own grounds. The problem is racists use and misrepresent cognitive studies and intelligence studies to further their own ends.

 

[SmartCat]

Think tanks dont surprise me
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This is what Charles Murray has to say about your studies:

"Elites throughout the West are living a lie, basing the futures of their societies on the assumption that all groups of people are equal in all respects. Lie is a strong word, but justified. It is a lie because so many elite politicians who profess to believe it in public do not believe it in private. It is a lie because so many elite scholars choose to ignore what is already known and choose not to inquire into what they suspect. We enable ourselves to continue to live the lie by establishing a taboo against discussion of group differences.”

No counter argument, no nothing. This is an admission that you cannot accept you are wrong. That is why you pretend that everyone knows you are right. That is dishonet, a logical fallacy, and i just wont let you get away with it. This is pretty much the same as saying nuh uh you’re racist!

https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/20060619_iq.pdf

Lying your way through this with anecdotes hasnt helped you/

I am aware of that passage and I agree with it. Charles Murray is a great men. Fortunately, he has become independently wealthy from his writing, so he can tell the truth. He does not need to lie.

 

[bomberfox]

I am aware of that passage and I agree with it. Charles Murray is a great men. Fortunately, he has become independently wealthy from his writing, so he can tell the truth. He does not need to lie.

Your opinion is irrelevant. Lol anyone can sell a book to people like you. This is an excuse cranks use when they get outside the purview of peer review.

In short this isnt an actual argument. Just admit you cant admit you are wrong and will call anyone who disagrees with you an ivory tower intellectual, you know like calling someone a racist? Yeah he does need to lie to become very wealthy

 

[bomberfox]

I am aware of that passage and I agree with it. Charles Murray is a great men. Fortunately, he has become independently wealthy from his writing, so he can tell the truth. He does not need to lie.

What was that about using sic derisively?

 

[TheParser]

In theory, there should be 100% free speech.

In fact, that would include the famous example of falsely yelling "fire" in a crowded theater.

But in reality, there cannot be 100% freedom of speech because human beings are a bunch of [self-censored].

We have to make an exception, for example, when that speech calls for violence.

And we have to make an exception for topics that have not yet been accepted by society. For example, there was a time when one absolutely could not discuss abortion or homosexuality in a positive manner.

And remember how movie producers demanded freedom to say "dirty" words and to actually show a man and woman in the same bed!

One thing for sure: With the likely victory of the Biden-Harris ticket and the Dems' winning both Houses, there will be more censorship. And this censorship will be supported by many Americans, maybe a majority.

 

[SmartCat]

What was that about using sic derisively?

Thank you for correcting me.:3oops:

 

[bomberfox]

Thank you for correcting me.:3oops:

Its ok. I dont usually get picky about it because i often have to rewrite my post and cell phones dont give the best amount of control over one’s spelling errors. Just holding ya to your own rules. I tried to be genuinely friendly when this whole thing started by giving you another angle which to use to argue against TAAC, but this defensiveness over an issue that needs to be handled with more care than you have shown so far because you seem to have been taken in by people who have handled this issue rather poorly at best, have very ill ulterior motives at worse. I will say that one does not need to deny intelligence research in order to show the bell curve is wrong nor does one need to deny group differences in scores of various tests. The problem comes from using very few tests, not accounting for what has been accounted for which Murray admits he only limited his variables to 4 when discussing the issue, and making assumptions that employment discrimination is just and unbiased.

When cognitive studies from childhood to adulthood are taken into account the gap closes which tends to show that his discounting of environmental effects Is unwarranted. I think you need to stop with the ivory tower intellectual gig and argument from martyrdom and make an actual effort to go outside the mankind quarterly bubble you find yourself in. History shows what happens when people start using bad science to justify abuse and cold hearted indifference to the suffering their policies directly contribute to.

 

[Moot]

When I told my Vietnamese girlfriend, "I prefer Oriental women," she did not get angry at me.

She smiled and said, "You think we are much more wonderful."

When I asked on Quora if the word "Oriental" is derogatory, none of the Orientals who responded thought it was. One Oriental who answered was surprised by the question. I certainly do not mean "Oriental" to be derogatory. I prefer Orientals to whites. I first learned Oriental girls existed when I was six or seven. I was watching a television documentary about Japanese school children. I remember thinking, "Some white girls are pretty. Some are not. All Oriental girls are pretty."

My two best friends in high school were Chinese Americans. They never thought "Oriental" was derogatory.

Ah there it is, the old "black friend defense" or in your case the "oriental friend defense."

Urban Dictionary: I Have Black Friends

Who makes up these stupid rules anyway? I have been told not to use the word "Negro" any more. Martin Luther King used that word 15 times in his "I have a dream" speech. If he used it, I can use it. What is more, I will keep on using it, thank you very much.

Asian Americans did...fifty years ago...

After 50 years of '''Asian American,''' advocates say the term is '''more essential than ever'''


Martin Luther King died sixty years ago...today he would likely be called an African American.

JSTOR: Access Check

Anyone still using the term negro today would be considered a relic and laughed out of the room.

 

[Jason Warfield]

The usual argument, is that one has free speech, but one has to be aware and accept the consequences of speaking one's mind.
As long as what a person says/writes does not cause physical injury or death, then a person should have the freedom to express whatever they wish. The idea today seems to be that a person has free speech, but, if they DARE to exercise that free speech then that person will most likely lose their job, their friends, their future income (because everything is recorded now), perhaps their family, then THAT IS NOT FREE SPEECH.
We have a prackie in the staffroom at the moment, and the discussion was on what was deemed politically incorrect in today's society (the conversations teachers have during a lunch break can be interesting). I stated that because they are all lefties/socialists, they can say whatever they want, but because I am a conservative, if I said what I thought, then I would lose my job. He stared at me, and being a prackie he had the common sense to keep his opinion to himself, but I have an idea of what he now thinks of me.
Free speech means free speech and it doesn't matter if it offends someone's fragile little ego. We do not have free speech in either Australia or America, no matter how people argue that we do.

Free speech, as advocated by the Founders and Framers, is that speech cannot be punished by the government and that the government will not support one religion over another to protect all who profess faith.

That does not apply to everyday living where you are held to the consequences of what you say. Think of it this way, according to your argument...you have no right to punish the NFL or any athlete that takes a knee during the anthem. Or, if you have a daughter, and someone calls her a whore....you have no say, you have to let it happen.

And, let's say you decide that they should be punished because you think you taking a knee is unpatriotic and your ego gets hurt when your daughter is called a whore and you can't do anything about it...then you are imposing your own version of political correctness on others...the very thing you are railing against, would be the thing that you are doing yourself.

According to your logic.

 

[SmartCat]

Ah there it is, the old "black friend defense" or in your case the "oriental friend defense."

Urban Dictionary: I Have Black Friends





Asian Americans did...fifty years ago...

After 50 years of '''Asian American,''' advocates say the term is '''more essential than ever'''


Martin Luther King died sixty years ago...today he would likely be called an African American.

JSTOR: Access Check

Anyone still using the term negro today would be considered a relic and laughed out of the room.

I prefer Orientals to whites. I prefer whites to blacks. I do not care if anyone calls me a racist or not.

 

[Moot]

I prefer Orientals to whites. I prefer whites to blacks. I do not care if anyone calls me a racist or not.

Well, at least you're honest about it.

 

[bomberfox]

I prefer Orientals to whites. I prefer whites to blacks. I do not care if anyone calls me a racist or not.

Of course you dont because you dont have to worry about any consequences which is another reason your cries of persecution are flimsy.

 

[bomberfox]

Well, at least you're honest about it.

Hes pretty much a lost cause and will ignore everything that challenges his ideology since he keeps defending Rushton based on arguments from martyrdom and nothing else.

 

[SmartCat]

Of course you dont because you dont have to worry about any consequences which is another reason your cries of persecution are flimsy.

A racist is someone who criticizes Negroes. The more accurate the criticism is, the more serious is the offense, and the more severe is the punishment. There is much to criticize. By every objective, measurable criterion colored people tend to be less intelligent than whites and Orientals. They have higher rates of illegitimacy, and much higher crime rates. All of this is easy to document, and I have. When one is accused of racism truth is no defense; it is evidence for the prosecution.

 

[Trypt]

As long as what a person says/writes does not cause physical injury or death, then a person should have the freedom to express whatever they wish.

That is literally the motto of anti-free-speech crusaders. Who decides what caused physical injury? Who decides the definition of violence? You just described free speech as it is practiced everywhere except America, in other words, not free speech. Speech within legality agreed upon by the country is not free speech.

If we go by that, we're setting ourselves up for bigotry of the highest order.

 

[bomberfox]

A racist is someone who criticizes Negroes. The more accurate the criticism is, the more serious is the offense, and the more severe is the punishment. There is much to criticize. By every objective, measurable criterion colored people tend to be less intelligent than whites and Orientals. They have higher rates of illegitimacy, and much higher crime rates. All of this is easy to document, and I have. When one is accused of racism truth is no defense; it is evidence for the prosecution.

Not an argument and no you havnt documented anything really, ive already shown you to be wrong and you cried persecution. You are dismissed until you can actually address studies shown. I didnt even call you a racist until you threw a temper tantrum when you were shown to be wrong. Now quit whining and make an argument. You are simply lying out of your ass.

https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/20060619_iq.pdf
Rushton is simply a fraud which is why he lost his job.

 

[SmartCat]

Not an argument and no you havnt documented anything really, ive already shown you to be wrong and you cried persecution. You are dismissed until you can actually address studies shown. I didnt even call you a racist until you threw a temper tantrum when you were shown to be wrong. Now quit whining and make an argument. You are simply lying out of your ass.

https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/20060619_iq.pdf

You are losing your temper. This is because you know that what I say is true. :2razz::lol:

In his essay "The Inequality Taboo" Charles Murray acknowledged,

"Both the task force and The Bell Curve concluded that some narrowing had occurred since the early 197O's. With the advantage of an additional decade of data, we are now able to be more precise: (1) The black-white difference in scores on educational achievement tests has narrowed significantly,"

while adding,

"(2) The black-white convergence in scores on the most highly "g-loaded" tests—the tests that are the best measures of cognitive ability—has been smaller, and may be unchanged, since the first tests were administered 90 years ago."

Additionally he acknowledged,

"black and white academic achievement converged significantly in the 197O's and 198O's, typically by more than a third of a standard deviation,"

while adding,

"and since then has stayed about the same."

http://www.iapsych.com/wj3ewok/LinkedDocuments/Murray2005.pdf

 

[SmartCat]

Rushton is simply a fraud which is why he lost his job.

Professor J. Philippe Rushton was a brave man. His position at the University of Western Ontario was threatened for telling the truth about innate average racial differences. Fortunately, he never lost it. In his essay "Race, Evolution, and Behavior," he expressed and documented facts that are obvious to anyone who has had extensive experience with the three major races.

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Modern science shows a three-way pattern of race differences in both physical traits and behavior. On average, Orientals are slower to mature, less fertile, less sexually active, less aggressive, and have larger brains and higher IQ scores. Blacks are at the other pole. Whites fall in the middle, but closer to Orientals than to Blacks...

Race differences start in the womb. Blacks are born earlier and grow quicker than Whites and Orientals. The three-way race pattern occurs in milestones such as sexual maturity, family stability, crime rates, and population growth...

Race differences exist in sexual behavior. The races differ in how often they like to have sexual intercourse. This affects rates of sexually transmitted diseases. On all the counts, Orientals are the least sexually active, Blacks the most, and Whites are in between...

IQ tests measure intelligence and predict real life success. The races differ in brain size and on IQ tests. On average Orientals have the largest brains and highest IQs. Blacks average the lowest, and Whites fall in between. The brain size differences explain the IQ differences both within groups and between groups.

Race, Evolution, and Behavior:

 

[bomberfox]

You are losing your temper. This is because you know that what I say is true. :2razz::lol:

In his essay "The Inequality Taboo" Charles Murray acknowledged,

"Both the task force and The Bell Curve concluded that some narrowing had occurred since the early 197O's. With the advantage of an additional decade of data, we are now able to be more precise: (1) The black-white difference in scores on educational achievement tests has narrowed significantly,"

while adding,

"(2) The black-white convergence in scores on the most highly "g-loaded" tests—the tests that are the best measures of cognitive ability—has been smaller, and may be unchanged, since the first tests were administered 90 years ago."

Additionally he acknowledged,

"black and white academic achievement converged significantly in the 197O's and 198O's, typically by more than a third of a standard deviation,"

while adding,

"and since then has stayed about the same."

http://www.iapsych.com/wj3ewok/LinkedDocuments/Murray2005.pdf

“Anti racists are desperate to prove what anyone with extensive experience with the three major races knows is not true. The fact that Professor Rushton was persecuted during his life, and that Charles Murray means that anti racists want to suppress an honest debate on racial differences in native intelligence that they know they will lose.”

This is you losing your temper. That means you know i am right .

Actually the study i showed involve improvements in several cognitive Tests well into the year 2000 which go beyond Murray’s observation, showing surprise surprise continual improvement in adult and childhood testing. These are not achievement tests as you alleged. You simply dont know about the tests that were involved because you dont bother to read beyond what people spill out for you instead of reading things yourself. Rushton is simply wrong
William T. Dickens1 & James R. Flynn2

Lol brain size..... i already told you pure brain size is not what gives you intelligence.

 

[bomberfox]

Professor J. Philippe Rushton was a brave man. His position at the University of Western Ontario was threatened for telling the truth about innate average racial differences. Fortunately, he never lost it. In his essay "Race, Evolution, and Behavior," he expressed and documented facts that are obvious to anyone who has had extensive experience with the three major races.

-----------

Modern science shows a three-way pattern of race differences in both physical traits and behavior. On average, Orientals are slower to mature, less fertile, less sexually active, less aggressive, and have larger brains and higher IQ scores. Blacks are at the other pole. Whites fall in the middle, but closer to Orientals than to Blacks...

Race differences start in the womb. Blacks are born earlier and grow quicker than Whites and Orientals. The three-way race pattern occurs in milestones such as sexual maturity, family stability, crime rates, and population growth...

Race differences exist in sexual behavior. The races differ in how often they like to have sexual intercourse. This affects rates of sexually transmitted diseases. On all the counts, Orientals are the least sexually active, Blacks the most, and Whites are in between...

IQ tests measure intelligence and predict real life success. The races differ in brain size and on IQ tests. On average Orientals have the largest brains and highest IQs. Blacks average the lowest, and Whites fall in between. The brain size differences explain the IQ differences both within groups and between groups.

Race, Evolution, and Behavior:

His position was threatened because he was a fraud. Thats what universities do.

Argumentum ad martyrdom - RationalWiki

You can deal with rushton being thoroughly debunked or cry in a corner.

A disgraced and discredited psychology professor — definitely not a geneticist by professional bona fides, though he made his bones off worthless assertions linking race with intelligence, criminality and unrestrained sexuality — Rushton’s spectre has long haunted the university.

He wasnt a geneticist nor did he know much about genetics
why philippe rushton lost his job - Google Search

His bad science “research” included asking student “volunteers” to describe their genitalia and how far they could ejaculate, after which he was temporarily banned from teaching. His slapdash “investigations” included conducting interviews at the Eaton Centre, paying 50 Black people, 50 Asian people and 50 white people $5 each to answer a questionnaire on their sexual habits. His clinical analysis including taking a tape measure to the cranium and the penis


So tell me why you think this makes a great man? :lamo

 

[SmartCat]

“Anti racists are desperate to prove what anyone with extensive experience with the three major races knows is not true. The fact that Professor Rushton was persecuted during his life, and that Charles Murray means that anti racists want to suppress an honest debate on racial differences in native intelligence that they know they will lose.”

This is you losing your temper. That means you know i am right .

Actually the study i showed involve improvement in several cognitive Tests well into the year 2000 which go beyond Murray’s observation, showing surprise surprise continual improvement in adult and childhood testing. These are not achievement tests as you allege.

The only way blacks can catch up with whites is through eugenic breeding. Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) interferes with that because it enables the congenitally unemployable to perpetuate their bad genes into future generations.

I advocate that we end TANF, and introduce free abortion on demand at any stage of pregnancy. In their book Freakonomics: A Rogue Economist Explores the Hidden Side of Everything University of Chicago economist Steven Levitt and New York Times journalist Stephen J. Dubner demonstrated that females most likely to have abortions are least likely to have anything of value to contribute to the gene pool. I worry about an undergraduate at Vassar who aborts the result of an encounter with a Rhodes Scholar. Many childless, middle class couples would love to raise that child. Fortunately, women like that rarely have abortions.

A single free abortion can save a small fortune in welfare expense, criminal justice expense, the expense of trying to educate someone too stupid to learn anything of value, and the cost of the crimes committed if the fetus grows into a young man.

 

[bomberfox]

The only way blacks can catch up with whites is through eugenic breeding. Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) interferes with that because it enables the congenitally unemployable to perpetuate their bad genes into future generations.

I advocate that we end TANF, and introduce free abortion on demand at any stage of pregnancy. In their book Freakonomics: A Rogue Economist Explores the Hidden Side of Everything University of Chicago economist Steven Levitt and New York Times journalist Stephen J. Dubner demonstrated that females most likely to have abortions are least likely to have anything of value to contribute to the gene pool. I worry about an undergraduate at Vassar who aborts the result of an encounter with a Rhodes Scholar. Many childless, middle class couples would love to raise that child. Fortunately, women like that rarely have abortions.

A single free abortion can save a small fortune in welfare expense, criminal justice expense, the expense of trying to educate someone too stupid to learn anything of value, and the cost of the crimes committed if the fetus grows into a young man.

Dodging. I dont ask economists about genetic issues :lamo

 

[SmartCat]

His position was threatened because he was a fraud. Thats what universities do.

Argumentum ad martyrdom - RationalWiki

You can deal with rushton being thoroughly debunked or cry in a corner.

A disgraced and discredited psychology professor — definitely not a geneticist by professional bona fides, though he made his bones off worthless assertions linking race with intelligence, criminality and unrestrained sexuality — Rushton’s spectre has long haunted the university.

He wasnt a geneticist nor did he know much about genetics
why philippe rushton lost his job - Google Search

His bad science “research” included asking student “volunteers” to describe their genitalia and how far they could ejaculate, after which he was temporarily banned from teaching. His slapdash “investigations” included conducting interviews at the Eaton Centre, paying 50 Black people, 50 Asian people and 50 white people $5 each to answer a questionnaire on their sexual habits. His clinical analysis including taking a tape measure to the cranium and the penis


So tell me why you think this makes a great man? :lamo

Professor Rushton documented his assertions using the methods you deride, and other methods.

 

[SmartCat]

Dodging. I dont ask economists about genetic issues :lamo

You should. The economic potential of a country depends on the average IQ of that country.

 

[bomberfox]

Professor Rushton documented his assertions using the methods you deride, and other methods.

Professor rushton is an imbecile as ive just shown. Lol cumshots then measuring skull sizes? Those are the methods i derided. Congrats on hanging yourself bud