Anti-Abortion Terrorism[W:1939]

[minnie616]

Interesting. Which ones? Just give me the post number.

I am interested in that info too.

 

[Ikari]

already in the thread and given to you earlier, yes.
facts win again

So reposting them is easy, yes? Got that proof, bro?

 

[AGENT J]

I am interested in that info too.

also once i was told he learned what ZEF is by using google I too asked for those links that showed it was factually equal to the n-word
it was dodged and i received no links

 

[Ikari]

also once i was told he learned what ZEF is by using google I too asked for those links that showed it was factually equal to the n-word
it was dodged and i received no links

There's some irony, lol.

 

[Removable Mind]

I think isolated incidents are exactly that, isolated incidents. To demonstrate some systematic movement to produce political change through the use of force and fear against a populace (the traditional application of functional terrorism), there must be somewhat of an aggregate system and systematic attempts using violence and fear aimed at political turmoil/change.

If someone bombs and abortion clinic once every 10 years i wouldn't necessarily label that terrorism in and of itself. Not to say it shouldn't be punished, but terrorism requires, IMO, a higher level of aggregation than just low probability, low duty cycle, isolated events.

So, YES...to my question? Obviously to you incidents that could be labeled as anti-abortion terrorism isn't like acts committed by say ISIS, Al Qaeda, etc. So they should be simply dismissed as individual folks occasionally doing some bad things. Sort of like people protesting nuke electric facilities?

 

[AGENT J]

1.)So reposting them is easy, yes?
2.)Got that proof, bro?

1.)yep but you simply reading the thread is easier
2.)already provided
facts win again

 

[AGENT J]

There's some irony, lol.

ahhhhhhhh i love the smell of victory

 

[Ikari]

So, YES...to my question? Obviously to you incidents that could be labeled as anti-abortion terrorism isn't like acts committed by say ISIS, Al Qaeda, etc. So they should be simply dismissed as individual folks occasionally doing some bad things. Sort of like people protesting nuke electric facilities?

I think "dismissed" is a bit too flippant. I'm not saying that these crime should not be punished, they should. Acts which infringe upon the right of others can be legitimately punished. I would just be wary of what we run around calling terrorism. That athiest dude who shot those Muslim kids, I wouldn't say that's atheist terrorism, for example. The dude should be punished, 100%, but I wouldn't go so far as to call it terrorism just yet.

 

[Ikari]

1.)yep but you simply reading the thread is easier
2.)already provided
facts win again

So you got evidence, or is this just more deflection with no links to back the point? Lol

 

[Removable Mind]

I think "dismissed" is a bit too flippant. I'm not saying that these crime should not be punished, they should. Acts which infringe upon the right of others can be legitimately punished. I would just be wary of what we run around calling terrorism. That athiest dude who shot those Muslim kids, I wouldn't say that's atheist terrorism, for example. The dude should be punished, 100%, but I wouldn't go so far as to call it terrorism just yet.

Welp, your opinion is noted.

And would you say that the atheism subscribed to by Stalin was the real cause of him being psychopath...or a man who was a psychopath who just happened to also be atheist?

 

[AGENT J]

1.)So you got evidence
2.) or is this just more deflection with no links to back the point? Lol

1.) yes this fact has already been established
2.) you tell me you claimed there is no evidence, thats already been proven false earlier in the thread directly to you, So if you disagree feel free to stop deflecting, and start posting your evidence to back you proven wrong claim lol until you do you got nothing and your posts will continue to fail.
facts win again

 

[Ikari]

Welp, your opinion is noted.

And would you say that the atheism subscribed to by Stalin was the real cause of him being psychopath...or a man who was a psychopath who just happened to also be atheist?

Atheism had nothing to do with Stalin. His anti-theism was fueled by power of State. Atheism didn't fuel his excessive force. The desire to snuff out any potential challenge to his power did. He was a megalomaniac psychopath willing to kill to establish and proliferate his own power.

 

[Ikari]

1.) yes this fact has already been established
2.) you tell me you claimed there is no evidence, thats already been proven false earlier in the thread directly to you, So if you disagree feel free to stop deflecting, and start posting your evidence to back you proven wrong claim lol until you do you got nothing and your posts will continue to fail.
facts win again

Lol, the OK' Young Earth Creationism defense, huh? Prove good doesn't exist. It's not the negative they needs to be demonstrated. If you want to say anti-abortion terrorism, then you need to demonstrate it. Can you?

 

[Removable Mind]

Atheism had nothing to do with Stalin. His anti-theism was fueled by power of State. Atheism didn't fuel his excessive force. The desire to snuff out any potential challenge to his power did. He was a megalomaniac psychopath willing to kill to establish and proliferate his own power.

Well, the guy that was "atheist" who killed the 3 Muslims...was basically a guy pissed off at the world about everything and anybody who got in his parking space. Life in general wasn't his friend. He was looking for an excuse to explode, hurt somebody, and those kids were in the right place at the wrong time.

 

[AGENT J]

1.)Lol, the OK' Young Earth Creationism defense, huh? Prove good doesn't exist. It's not the negative they needs to be demonstrated. If you want to say anti-abortion terrorism, then you need to demonstrate it. Can you?

another deflection from the facts that have already bee presented directly to you earlier in the thread, thats what it though
facts win again

 

[Ikari]

Well, the guy that was "atheist" who killed the 3 Muslims...was basically a guy pissed off at the world about everything and anybody who got in his parking space. Life in general wasn't his friend. He was looking for an excuse to explode, hurt somebody, and those kids were in the right place at the wrong time.

Exactly. That's why I wouldn't say that it is a case of atheist terrorism. Though the dude would be behind bars for life.

 

[Removable Mind]

Exactly. That's why I wouldn't say that it is a case of atheist terrorism. Though the dude would be behind bars for life.

I'm not so sure that I've ever seen, read, or have heard about a blatant case of "atheist terrorism". Or maybe I should say "an act of terrorism for the sake of atheism".

 

[Ikari]

I'm not so sure that I've ever seen, read, or have heard about a blatant case of "atheist terrorism". Or maybe I should say "an act of terrorism for the sake of atheism".

I dont know either, perhaps it happened. But the dude made anti-thiest statements apparently, so some may (and do) claim atheist terrorism. I'd say no, it's clearly an isolated, crazy dude, not an example of atheist terrorism.

 

[OKgrannie]

So no proof of anti-abortion terrorism. That's what I thought, lol.

When the purpose of anti-abortion violence is to frighten doctors and employees into conforming to the behavior the violent choose, they are terrorists.

Army of God (United States) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Army of God (AOG) is a Christian terrorist anti-abortion organization that sanctions the use of force to combat abortion in the United States.[1]


Domestic terrorism in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Anti-abortion violence, considered a form of terrorism, is often committed in the United States against individuals and organizations that provide abortions or abortion counseling. Incidents have included crimes against people, such as murder, assault, kidnapping, and stalking; crimes affecting both people and property, such as arson or bombing; and property crimes such as vandalism. Perpetrators may defend their actions as necessary to protect fetuses, and are often motivated by their Christian beliefs, leading to anti-abortion violence's identification as Christian terrorism; it is also associated with opposition to women's rights.


Anti-Abortion Group Operation Rescue Takes Its Terror Tactics to the Web | News | News and Opinion | Philadelphia Weekly

“Unfortunately, it’s become an act of courage for a physician to be willing to perform a legal medical procedure,” says Dayle Steinberg, CEO of Planned Parenthood of Southeastern Pennsylvania. “They’re intimidated, threatened, and as everybody knows, worse. They’ve been murdered.”
Since 1977, the National Abortion Federation has documented eight murders, 17 attempted murders, 41 bombings, 175 instances of arson, 391 invasions, 100 butyric acid attacks, 662 anthrax threats, 523 instances of stalking and 418 death threats against clinic workers.
“It’s just another form of terrorism against abortion providers,” says Jen Boulanger, executive director of the Allentown Women’s Center, a health-care facility that also provides abortion care. “It’s a form of harassment and intimidation of abortion providers, to discourage them from continuing to provide services.”


Read more: Anti-Abortion Group Operation Rescue Takes Its Terror Tactics to the Web | News | News and Opinion | Philadelphia Weekly

 

[minnie616]

When the purpose of anti-abortion violence is to frighten doctors and employees into conforming to the behavior the violent choose, they are terrorists.

Army of God (United States) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Army of God (AOG) is a Christian terrorist anti-abortion organization that sanctions the use of force to combat abortion in the United States.[1]


Domestic terrorism in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Anti-abortion violence, considered a form of terrorism, is often committed in the United States against individuals and organizations that provide abortions or abortion counseling. Incidents have included crimes against people, such as murder, assault, kidnapping, and stalking; crimes affecting both people and property, such as arson or bombing; and property crimes such as vandalism. Perpetrators may defend their actions as necessary to protect fetuses, and are often motivated by their Christian beliefs, leading to anti-abortion violence's identification as Christian terrorism; it is also associated with opposition to women's rights.


Anti-Abortion Group Operation Rescue Takes Its Terror Tactics to the Web | News | News and Opinion | Philadelphia Weekly

“Unfortunately, it’s become an act of courage for a physician to be willing to perform a legal medical procedure,” says Dayle Steinberg, CEO of Planned Parenthood of Southeastern Pennsylvania. “They’re intimidated, threatened, and as everybody knows, worse. They’ve been murdered.”
Since 1977, the National Abortion Federation has documented eight murders, 17 attempted murders, 41 bombings, 175 instances of arson, 391 invasions, 100 butyric acid attacks, 662 anthrax threats, 523 instances of stalking and 418 death threats against clinic workers.
“It’s just another form of terrorism against abortion providers,” says Jen Boulanger, executive director of the Allentown Women’s Center, a health-care facility that also provides abortion care. “It’s a form of harassment and intimidation of abortion providers, to discourage them from continuing to provide services.”


Read more: Anti-Abortion Group Operation Rescue Takes Its Terror Tactics to the Web | News | News and Opinion | Philadelphia Weekly

In 2011 the director of Operation Save America once known as Operation Rescue was convicted of stalking an abortion doctor.

July 1, 2011: Anti-Abortion Leader Again Convicted of Stalking Doctor

The Reverend Phillip “Flip” Benham, director of Operation Save America, once known as Operation Rescue (see 1986, July 1988, August 1988, July-August 1991, January 7, 1998, April 20, 1998, October 23, 1998, and January 13, 2003), is convicted of stalking a Charlotte, North Carolina, doctor. A jury takes a little over 90 minutes to convict Benham. One juror tells a reporter that it was obvious after looking at the stalking statute that Benham “violated every part of it.… He went to the doctor’s house. He went into the doctor’s office and took pictures. He spoke to neighbors and called him a murderer. That is harassing. That causes fear.” Mecklenburg County prosecutors say Benham sought to scare the doctor from practicing in Charlotte. Benham, whose group operates out of nearby Concord, North Carolina, was convicted of the same charges almost a year earlier (see November 8, 2010), but exercised his right to a jury trial. He is convicted of misdeameanor stalking because he distributed posters with a doctor’s name and photo on “Wanted” posters. The posters read, “Wanted… By Christ, to Stop Killing Babies.” The doctor in question provides abortions. Benham also illegally entered the doctor’s home and his clinic to take photographs, <SNIP>

CHARLOTTE OBSERVER, 7/2/2011

 

[Removable Mind]

Here's the thing for me. I think that the first sentence in OKG's post is where the issue truly is. It hit's the nail on the head.

When the purpose of anti-abortion violence is to frighten doctors and employees into conforming to the behavior the violent choose, they are terrorists.

And the reason I say that because "abortion" is a hotbed issue across the nation (actually around the world). What happens in one region of the U.S. can have a horrific psychological impact with a specific group of medical providers, clinics, and even women who go to these providers and clinics EVERYWHERE.

People who go to such facilities will fearfully go believing that it's possible that at any moment a seriously messed up person will sacrifice him or herself for "The Anti-Abortion Cause" and commit a serious act on the entire facility or pick off people going in and out. We live in a violent world and country full of wacknuts.

THIS IS THE ESSENCE OF TERRORISM....

And I've personally never heard of, read about, or have on seen on any media outlet the opposite happening where a messed up pro-choice person goes bonkers and inflicts harm or kills people who work at pro-life organizations...or blow up the organization's facility.

I guess it's possible and I've just missed it.

However....

The closest thing I've found is claims from a pro-life organization which has posted the following:

Pro-Choice Violence

And if you read it carefully...it's total nonsense.

 

[year2late]

and if you want your medical for that leave when you come back the deduct it.

IE: if your medical is 75 a week and you are out for 12 weeks you owe 900 bucks plus other fees

20 plus years ago I had what should have been an easy pregnancy. Good age, great health, perfect childbearing hips.

By the time pre-eclampsia set in...and a baby in footling breach position.....C-section....the works. I was out of work almost 6 months. I was blessed that I had extra credentialing that made them want to keep me. By rights after 12 weeks I could have been fired. After 12 weeks I had to pay the full amount of my medical ($600). This was on top of medical bills and minimal income.

The funny thing is that even though the ordeal left me about $25,000 in debt - I was lucky. I got out with my life. I was able to keep my job and get my life back on track.

So owing $900 - when I got back - even 20 years ago ...I would have begged for that amount.

And again, I had no reason to think my pregnancy would not go smoothly.

 

[minnie616]

Here's the thing for me. I think that the first sentence in OKG's post is where the issue truly is. It hit's the nail on the head.

Originally Posted by OKgrannie
When the purpose of anti-abortion violence is to frighten doctors and employees into conforming to the behavior the violent choose, they are terrorists.

And the reason I say that because "abortion" is a hotbed issue across the nation (actually around the world). What happens in one region of the U.S. can have a horrific psychological impact with a specific group of medical providers, clinics, and even women who go to these providers and clinics EVERYWHERE.

People who go to such facilities will fearfully go believing that it's possible that at any moment a seriously messed up person will sacrifice him or herself for "The Anti-Abortion Cause" and commit a serious act on the entire facility or pick off people going in and out. We live in a violent world and country full of wacknuts.

THIS IS THE ESSENCE OF TERRORISM....

And I've personally never heard of, read about, or have on seen on any media outlet the opposite happening where a messed up pro-choice person goes bonkers and inflicts harm or kills people who work at pro-life organizations...or blow up the organization's facility.

I guess it's possible and I've just missed it.

However....

The closest thing I've found is claims from a pro-life organization which has posted the following:

Pro-Choice Violence

And if you read it carefully...it's total nonsense.

I also agree with Okgrannie's definition of the terrorism .



I posted a reply to Ikari in post 335 of this thread that was very similar.

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Anti abortion terrorism is using violence against a clinic , person/ or persons in hopes of striking fear in anyone who works at or visits a similar clinic.

 

[Removable Mind]

I also agree with Okgrannie's definition of the terrorism .



I posted a reply to Ikira in post 335 of this thread that was very similar.

Exactly...it's all about "fear". "That's the main damage" done...despite what might be the number of actual incidents. Terrorism creates phobias...that last long beyond the incidents.

 

[blackjack50]

Then it is not of existential importance to you. That is normal. Populations usually allow mass murder to take place, while doing nothing much to stop it.

What? It doesn't impact me. I'm not an idiot. Abortion is not mass murder. It has a legal definition.