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Anti-Abortion Terrorism[W:1939]

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He understands all there is to understand about the bigoted slur you pro-aborts favor.
 
stonewall50 said:
So this is about religion then? I assume you are an atheist/agnostic?
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Agnostic, but relatively disinterested in the spiritual side of things. But that does not mean that religions and ideologies do not have their specific dynamics that can be watched and analysed.
 
Bob Blaylock said:
I have not seen where AJF has given any indication of what make or type of vehicle he drives, if any. Why are you so obsessed with that one brand? It doesn't even count as a respectable American brand any more, now that its parent company has been sold out to Fiat.
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I drive a Lincoln.

-AJF
 
applejuicefool said:
Because it is the fewest number of weeks that was presented to me so far.

-AJF
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Well I did not present that number of gestational weeks and I never will.

Roe v Wade allows states to proscribe abortion after viability except when the woman's life/health is at risk.

Other counties allow abortions late in pregnancy if severe fetal abnormalities occur.

Severe fetal abnormalities and/or fetal genetic abnormalities do not show up until 18 to 20 weeks gestation on the ultra sound.

That only gives the woman/her doctor/ her husband / her family a short time to decide if the abnormality is so severe they wish to spare the unborn the pain and want to choose an abortion.

At that late stage there are fewer doctors who are qualified to abort after 20 weeks gestation because a fatal injection needs to be placed into heart of the fetus before the abortion procedure begins.
 
applejuicefool said:
This is hypocritical? How?

-AJF
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Apparently if my daughter had lost life when she had HELLP syndrome or if I had hemorrhaged ( I was so ill and so anemic when I went into the delivery room my doctor had the delivery room ready for a complete blood transfusion in case I started hemorrhaging) to death . We would only be numbers to you.
 
joG said:
Agnostic, but relatively disinterested in the spiritual side of things. But that does not mean that religions and ideologies do not have their specific dynamics that can be watched and analysed.
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Were you blaming religion for this? Because this isn't about religion. In fact...I'm against abortion. But you don't see me blowing up anything over it. Call a spade a spade please: wackos are in every group.
 
stonewall50 said:
Were you blaming religion for this? Because this isn't about religion. In fact...I'm against abortion. But you don't see me blowing up anything over it. Call a spade a spade please: wackos are in every group.
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Then it is not of existential importance to you. That is normal. Populations usually allow mass murder to take place, while doing nothing much to stop it.
 
RamFel said:
You forgot about the babies again? What do I need to do to get it across to you people?

You support death for babies. But instead of worrying about them, you seem worried about yourselves.
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What part of 'A fetus is not a baby' do you not understand?
 
applejuicefool said:
So responsibility is a matter of choosing. Seems to me, then, that responsibility for the risk of *having sex* should be matter of choosing to have sex. Once you CHOOOOOOOOOSE to have sex...then you CHOOSE to accept responsibility for the risks.

-AJF
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...and that is NOT involuntary servitude.
 
minnie616 said:
Well I did not present that number of gestational weeks and I never will.
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I didn't figure you did or would. I favor anything that reduces the number of abortions. Making the deadline more restrictive will do that.

-AJF
 
minnie616 said:
Apparently if my daughter had lost life when she had HELLP syndrome or if I had hemorrhaged ( I was so ill and so anemic when I went into the delivery room my doctor had the delivery room ready for a complete blood transfusion in case I started hemorrhaging) to death . We would only be numbers to you.
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I don't know you or your daughter. That said, I would do what anyone would do for a stranger - I would donate blood. I might give a small cash donation if you set up an assistance fund. I don't think it is hypocritical not to sacrifice one's life for a stranger.

Pregnancy is a different kind of deal. In pregnancy, the "stranger" is one the mother helped create. It would not be in the peril it is in (from possible abortion, possible miscarriage, etc.) were it not for her. Back to the situation in which I am hypothetically being called upon to sacrifice for you or your daughter: If I somehow caused your condition - or if you were injured because I caused a wreck on the interstate, for example - then I might be willing to make more drastic sacrifices. I might go so far as to donate redundant organs or bone marrow. I still wouldn't sacrifice my life.

-AJF
 
applejuicefool said:
I didn't figure you did or would. I favor anything that reduces the number of abortions. Making the deadline more restrictive will do that.

-AJF
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Actually laws to lower the gestation number of weeks before viability are struck down as too restrictive and just cost states more money in legal fees.
 
applejuicefool said:
I didn't figure you did or would. I favor anything that reduces the number of abortions. Making the deadline more restrictive will do that.

-AJF
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From a May 2013 article :



Any law banning abortions before viability are deemed unconstitutional and too Restrictive.
They end up costing states lots of money in legal fees.

Published: May 21, 2013

A federal appellate panel struck down Arizona’s abortion law on Tuesday, saying it was unconstitutional “under a long line of invariant Supreme Court precedents” that guarantee a woman’s right to end a pregnancy any time before a fetus is deemed viable outside her womb — generally at 24 weeks.

The law, enacted in April 2012 despite vociferous protest by women’s and civil rights groups, made abortions illegal if performed 20 weeks after a woman’s last menstrual period, or roughly 18 weeks after fertilization, even if the woman learned that the fetus had no chance of surviving after birth. At 18 weeks, many fetal abnormalities can be detected through sonograms.

In its opinion, the panel of three judges assigned to the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit in San Francisco wrote that a fetus’s viability “varies from pregnancy to pregnancy,” which should be determined by doctors, not legislators.

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The decision applies to Arizona and the eight other Western states under the Ninth Circuit’s jurisdiction, including Idaho, where similar legislation had already been deemed unconstitutional.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/22/u...tions-struck-down-in-federal-court.html?_r=1&
 
applejuicefool said:
I don't know you or your daughter. That said, I would do what anyone would do for a stranger - I would donate blood. I might give a small cash donation if you set up an assistance fund. I don't think it is hypocritical not to sacrifice one's life for a stranger.

Pregnancy is a different kind of deal. In pregnancy, the "stranger" is one the mother helped create. It would not be in the peril it is in (from possible abortion, possible miscarriage, etc.) were it not for her. Back to the situation in which I am hypothetically being called upon to sacrifice for you or your daughter: If I somehow caused your condition - or if you were injured because I caused a wreck on the interstate, for example - then I might be willing to make more drastic sacrifices. I might go so far as to donate redundant organs or bone marrow. I still wouldn't sacrifice my life.

-AJF
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I never asked for a donation or personal help from you for my daughter or myself.
I know you don't know us.

You do not know the vast majority of women who will seek or who sought abortions.

But those women sometimes have to make tough choices ...please allow each woman "to make thoughtful decisions in private consultation with her doctor, her family, and her own faith."
 
applejuicefool said:
I drive a Lincoln.
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Good. A product of the only remaining great American automobile manufacturer that still deserves to be described as such. I, also, drive a vehicle made by that same company. Oddly, a certain other participant seems unable to distinguish this company and its products from the formerly-great American automaker that is now owned by an Italian company, and its products.
 
minnie616 said:
Actually laws to lower the gestation number of weeks before viability are struck down as too restrictive and just cost states more money in legal fees.
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Yes, I know. Didn't say it was practical, just that I favor them.

-AJF
 
minnie616 said:
I never asked for a donation or personal help from you for my daughter or myself.
I know you don't know us.

You do not know the vast majority of women who will seek or who sought abortions.

But those women sometimes have to make tough choices ...please allow each woman "to make thoughtful decisions in private consultation with her doctor, her family, and her own faith."
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Should I allow each murderer to make thoughtful decisions in private about whether or not to commit murder? Please note, I am not saying that women who have abortions are murderers. But their thoughtful decisions result en masse in widespread slaughter of innocent human life. We don't condone or allow such in any other sector of society.

-AJF
 
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