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Anthem Blue Cross Blue Shield Won’t Pay for the Complete Duration of Anesthesia for Patients’ Surgical Procedures

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Another Example of Insurers Putting Profits Over Patients

Talk about an announcement after the ceo shooting. These morons don't learn. Hochul already spoke about protecting patients.
 
Anthem specifically is the WORST large insurer out there. It pays very little to doctors (sometimes less than Medicaid!), which is why many are either not taking it or stopping to take it AND it does little coverage for patients cutting corners like the OP posted. They are quite awful.
 
Without commenting on the merits of this particular policy change, it’s at least worth noting that anesthesia billing has been problematic for a while. Anesthesiologists were some of the biggest culprits in the surprise billing scams patients had to deal with, and this particular issue of potential exaggeration of time has been flagged for years:

Is Upcoding Anesthesia Time the Tip of the Iceberg in Insurance Fraud?
The question of whether there is anomalous billing in anesthesia care is beginning to be asked by operating room managers, health care administrators, policy makers, and regulators. This question may arise when an anesthesia case seems to take more time to complete than it should.5 Audits, when conducted, have found that an unusual number of claims end with the digits 0 or 5 as if large numbers of cases start or end on the 5-minute mark. Such a finding serves as a red flag for that practice to undergo an audit.6 Questions may also be raised because the percentage of patients coded as having a higher anesthesia risk, using the American Society of Anesthesiologists Physical Status Classification System, has increased from 2.9% in 2005 to 13.2% in 2013, mainly because coding a patient’s physical status at a higher classification or anesthesia risk in a claim ensures better payment of the claim.7

The study by Sun et al8 provides insight into insurance reimbursement fraud, which is facing the health care industry in general. The problem of rounding time using the digit 5 is addressed explicitly in this study, in which the authors estimated the unusually large numbers of cases with durations that were a perfect multiple of 5 minutes for the recorded anesthesia time in several different types of health care settings with functioning operating rooms.8 Of a final sample of 6 261 955 anesthesia cases (from 4221 anesthesia practitioners at 931 facilities in the National Anesthesia Clinical Outcomes Registry), 5% of practitioners reported anesthesia times greater in total than what would be expected across university, community, and specialty hospitals. Furthermore, it was found that the greatest differences in expected anesthesia times were in specialty hospitals compared with university hospitals.8 However, the authors have stressed that their findings should not be interpreted to indicate fraud because fraud involves intent, which could not be determined. Because this study was a retrospective study, the authors could not rule out the alternative but unlikely explanation that the practitioners could be rounding down. The reason for caution by the authors is that the CMS has differentiated fraud from abuse by emphasizing that fraud is intentional, whereas abuse is the result of poor medical practices.2 This differentiation is important because sometimes the rounding in digits ending in 0 or 5 minutes in anesthesia time is part of the organization culture of operating rooms in which rounding is performed systematically by the operation room circulating nurse along with the anesthesia practitioner. Sun et al8 recognized this issue as being related to institutional factors, which was one of the reasons they performed a 2-step regression analysis; long anomalous times were not sufficient to establish inappropriate discretion.8

That’s from 2018!
 
The fact that OLDER Americans favor big businesses (like the insurance industry) that rapes the **** out of them and chooses to let some of them die is 100% proof that some people are just stupid/dug in.
 
This entire shenanigans where you go to the hospital for a procedure and then get separate bills from doctors, anesthesiologists, hospital, etc is complete bullshit.

A patient that needs a surgery - especially an emergency type of surgery - doesn’t get the option of shopping around to find different providers and half the time doesn’t even realize they’re going to be billed by multiple entities.

American healthcare is so broken. By design. So that lots of people can take a share of profits.
 
This entire shenanigans where you go to the hospital for a procedure and then get separate bills from doctors, anesthesiologists, hospital, etc is complete bullshit.

A patient that needs a surgery - especially an emergency type of surgery - doesn’t get the option of shopping around to find different providers and half the time doesn’t even realize they’re going to be billed by multiple entities.

American healthcare is so broken. By design. So that lots of people can take a share of profits.
I know! My husband broke his arm skiing in NH a few years back and I can't believe how many bills we got! One from the hospital, one from the emerg doctor, one from the doctor who set it, one for the imagining ......and a few I likely forgot.
 
Pay by the hour or paid to do the job? That's the real issue here. Doctors/surgeons are paid an annual salary while Anesthesiologists and support staff (nurses) are paid by the hour. I don't blame the insurance company for pushing back. They're doing all of a favor, their cost become our cost because insurance spreads risk out to everyone.
 
Another Example of Insurers Putting Profits Over Patients

It’s a way to try to screw high risk patients and patients with preexisting conditions, etc…circumventing laws against that.

They’re basically telling those patients that they can’t get surgeries, etc if they can’t afford to pay out of pocket for anesthesia.

Because it’s those type of people that most often have surgeries that take longer.
 
Pay by the hour or paid to do the job? That's the real issue here. Doctors/surgeons are paid an annual salary while Anesthesiologists and support staff (nurses) are paid by the hour. I don't blame the insurance company for pushing back. They're doing all of a favor, their cost become our cost because insurance spreads risk out to everyone.
Insurance companies have been trying to find a way to force higher costs out of high risk and prior condition patients since the inception of the ACA. This is just the latest attempt.
 
while Anesthesiologists and support staff (nurses) are paid by the hour.
Anesthesiologists are salaried, they are not paid by the hour.
 
Anesthesiologists are salaried, they are not paid by the hour.
Your healthcare system seems complex. Are the Salaried by the hospital then does the insurance pay the hospital? What about surgeons, Salaried or paid by insurance? When we used an American hospital we got multiple bills from everyone except maybe the janitor.
 
In many service businesses, from plumbing to law, time is kept in tenths of an hour. Nothing suspicious about that. Normally, once you enter one of those tenth hour periods, you are charged for that period. The most likely alternative would be quarter hour periods. Would you prefer that ?
 
Your healthcare system seems complex. Are the Salaried by the hospital then does the insurance pay the hospital? What about surgeons, Salaried or paid by insurance? When we used an American hospital we got multiple bills from everyone except maybe the janitor.
Each doctor in a hospital individually bills insurance for the patient. The hospital bills for the room, nurses, and supplies. Our system is not only complex, it's complexly broken. Even more confusing is that in each state, insurance can and does reimburse at different rates for the same drug. Go figure.
 
Each doctor in a hospital individually bills insurance for the patient. The hospital bills for the room, nurses, and supplies. Our system is not only complex, it's complexly broken. Even more confusing is that in each state, insurance can and does reimburse at different rates for the same drug. Go figure.
Then how can it be the anthesiologists are salaried as you say or hourly as @dmpi says ? Seems to me they are neither but rather piece workers .
 
The fact that OLDER Americans favor big businesses (like the insurance industry) that rapes the **** out of them and chooses to let some of them die is 100% proof that some people are just stupid/dug in.
Older Americans voted almost equally between trump and Harris.
 
Then how can it be the anthesiologists are salaried as you say or hourly as @dmpi says ? Seems to me they are neither but rather piece workers .
They are paid a set amount for each procedure and the amount depends on several factors such as the length and complexity of the procedure and whether they are employed by a hospital or private clinic. Anesthesiology is generally thought to be the highest paid medical specialty due to the extensive training required. In essence they are piece workers but their pay is not based on an hourly wage but rather on whatever forumula is used to determine the complexity of procedure. For example, cardiac and brain surgeries will pay more than tonsil removal.

This might help clarify some things for you:

 
They are paid a set amount for each procedure and the amount depends on several factors such as the length and complexity of the procedure and whether they are employed by a hospital or private clinic. Anesthesiology is generally thought to be the highest paid medical specialty due to the extensive training required. In essence they are piece workers but their pay is not based on an hourly wage but rather on whatever forumula is used to determine the complexity of procedure. For example, cardiac and brain surgeries will pay more than tonsil removal.

This might help clarify some things for you:

Thanks, that's basically how ours are paid, by the procedure. They are neither salaried or hourly. Difference is we only have one insurer, the provincial government.
 
Your healthcare system seems complex. Are the Salaried by the hospital then does the insurance pay the hospital? What about surgeons, Salaried or paid by insurance? When we used an American hospital we got multiple bills from everyone except maybe the janitor.
It's a great system as long as you don't need medical care.
 
Never fear, RFK Jr will soon ride in, Hiyo Silver!
 
Its the title of a book talking about how the industry doesn't pay claims.
Really? Wow. Capitalism isn't the answer for everything. Single payer would be much better.
 
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