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Another Obamacare Story

Hello all,

With all the so-called 'horror stories' out there, I thought it might be nice to finally hear the other side... And boy is this one a doozy.

The ACA is better than it's made it out to be

Enjoy.

LOL !!

It was sold on a Mountain of lies.

Hell, there is a HUGE lie in it's actual Title.

The AFFORDABLE Care Act.

I understand the need for the left to attempt to mitigate away the damage this law has caused since its inception but the reality is it's as bad as the critics say it is.
 
LOL !!

It was sold on a Mountain of lies.

Hell, there is a HUGE lie in it's actual Title.

The AFFORDABLE Care Act.

I understand the need for the left to attempt to mitigate away the damage this law has caused since its inception but the reality is it's as bad as the critics say it is.

sorry fenton, this is the only mountain I see

“there are death panels"
"we stopped supporting the mandate way before 2009"
"Obamacare is unconstitutional"
"no seriously, we stopped supporting the mandate way before 2009"
"Obamacare wont meet its goals"
"there will be a death spiral"
" I swear, we really did stop supporting the mandate way before 2009"
“it does not lower the deficit”
“it covers illegal aliens”
“cross my heart hope to die, we stopped supporting the mandate way before 2009”
“the cost has doubled to 2 trillion dollars”
 
LOL !!

It was sold on a Mountain of lies.

Hell, there is a HUGE lie in it's actual Title.

The AFFORDABLE Care Act.

I understand the need for the left to attempt to mitigate away the damage this law has caused since its inception but the reality is it's as bad as the critics say it is.

It was affordable for the guy in the story.
 
Hello all,

With all the so-called 'horror stories' out there, I thought it might be nice to finally hear the other side... And boy is this one a doozy.

The ACA is better than it's made it out to be

Enjoy.

We didn't have to cause all that upheaval in the health care industry to get medical insurance for one guy with heart trouble. We didn't have to do that to insure all the uninsured. We didn't have to throw all those people off of their health insurance policies and force them to get more expensive insurance that doesn't pay for the doctors and hospitals they're used to.

To say that this story means that Obamacare is working is like saying that Italian fascism was working because the trains ran on time.
 
Hello all,

With all the so-called 'horror stories' out there, I thought it might be nice to finally hear the other side... And boy is this one a doozy.

The ACA is better than it's made it out to be

Enjoy.



Oh come on..

This is so, so very tiresome.

Do you work for the White House?

Not only have we heard about Dean before, but this
Angstadt’s plan kicked in on March 1. It was just in time. Surgery couldn’t be put off any longer. On March 31, Angstadt had life-saving valve-replacement surgery.

Is pure propaganda.

Sorry, after the staged fainting incident after "if you like your plan, you can keep your plan" turned out to be the lie of the century, "feel good" propaganda fed to the fawning MSM no longer rates anything more than amusement.

The gutter snipe image makers in the White House basement need better material, this Nazi inspired bull**** is hardly compensation for 15 million Americans who couldn't keep their plan.

One heart operation does not a successful medical plan make.
 
sorry fenton, this is the only mountain I see

“there are death panels"
"we stopped supporting the mandate way before 2009"
"Obamacare is unconstitutional"
"no seriously, we stopped supporting the mandate way before 2009"
"Obamacare wont meet its goals"
"there will be a death spiral"
" I swear, we really did stop supporting the mandate way before 2009"
“it does not lower the deficit”
“it covers illegal aliens”
“cross my heart hope to die, we stopped supporting the mandate way before 2009”
“the cost has doubled to 2 trillion dollars”


You missed a few VERN.

"If you Like your Dr and Insurance you can keep them, PERIOD " ( what he apparently meant VERN was if you like your Dr and Insurance you can keep them for a short PERIOD of time )

Obama's Lie thay it would lower premiums by 2500.00 Dollars for your average American family.

It would reduce the deficit.

It would be AFFORDABLE.

It would grow our economy

The list goes on VERN.
 
It was affordable for the guy in the story.



LOL !!

Well that makes up for all the lies and waste.

Oregon blows 250 Million on a exchange that never worked but it's cool, some guys saves a few bucks.
 
Here's a good Obamacare story. A close friend of mine is self-employed. He had no health insurance. Private insurance was far more expensive than he could afford. Now, thanks to Obamacare, he can actually afford healthcare and getting treatment for some of his chronic conditions.

Obamacare works, and it works for struggling middle class people, including the supposedly indifferent younger generation.
 
You missed a few VERN.

"If you Like your Dr and Insurance you can keep them, PERIOD " ( what he apparently meant VERN was if you like your Dr and Insurance you can keep them for a short PERIOD of time )

Obama's Lie thay it would lower premiums by 2500.00 Dollars for your average American family.

It would reduce the deficit.

It would be AFFORDABLE.

It would grow our economy

The list goes on VERN.

actually fenton, the only thing on your list that can be considered a lie is "if you like your plan you can keep it". all the others require your special powers to believe its a lie. and I dont really consider "if you like your plan you can keep it" a lie because President Obama apologized for it. Thats the mark of a true leader.
 
actually fenton, the only thing on your list that can be considered a lie is "if you like your plan you can keep it". all the others require your special powers to believe its a lie. and I dont really consider "if you like your plan you can keep it" a lie because President Obama apologized for it. Thats the mark of a true leader.

Well prove they're lies VERN, if you can.

Otherwise its your opinion which isn't worrh the bandwidth you just wasted posting it
 
Here's a good Obamacare story. A close friend of mine is self-employed. He had no health insurance. Private insurance was far more expensive than he could afford. Now, thanks to Obamacare, he can actually afford healthcare and getting treatment for some of his chronic conditions.

Obamacare works, and it works for struggling middle class people, including the supposedly indifferent younger generation.

Here's another: A young widow with three boys to raise had the choice of going to work and losing Medicaid for her children, or remaining on the government dole. Now, she can go back to work and still have medical coverage for her boys.

True story.

Of course, Obamacare isn't going to bring our health care system up to the level of say, France or Singapore, but it is a step in the right direction. A lot more work needs to be done before we have a working system that we can actually afford.
 
We didn't have to cause all that upheaval in the health care industry to get medical insurance for one guy with heart trouble. We didn't have to do that to insure all the uninsured. We didn't have to throw all those people off of their health insurance policies and force them to get more expensive insurance that doesn't pay for the doctors and hospitals they're used to.

To say that this story means that Obamacare is working is like saying that Italian fascism was working because the trains ran on time.

er uh Low, there was no upheaval in the health care industry. 5 million people had to sign up for new policies. And the vast majority got cheaper and better plans. If you make over 95,000 you might have had to pay more.

And it wasnt to "get medical insurance for one guy with heart trouble." it was so the millions with pre-existing conditions and the even more millions who couldnt afford it get medical insurance. Of course you want to frame it as "upheavel to get one guy insurance" because you cant discuss Obamacare without hyperbole, spin and lying republican narratives.
 
Here's another: A young widow with three boys to raise had the choice of going to work and losing Medicaid for her children, or remaining on the government dole. Now, she can go back to work and still have medical coverage for her boys.

True story.

Of course, Obamacare isn't going to bring our health care system up to the level of say, France or Singapore, but it is a step in the right direction. A lot more work needs to be done before we have a working system that we can actually afford.

The only good anecdotal stories have are related to the expansion of Medicaid. Two people I know are now on Medicaid who previously had no insurance.
 
er uh Low, there was no upheaval in the health care industry.

<Sigh> Of course there has been an upheaval that is ongoing. Doctors are already being told how to practice medicine, what kinds of records to keep and how, what schedule of diagnoses to use, tens of thousands of needless, oppressive, and expensive regulations are being implemented by over a hundred new agencies, plans for new hospitals and clinics have been shelved, reimbursement for services is being cut drastically, doctors are being eliminated from insurance networks by the tens of thousands, some of the best hospitals in the country are being cut out of insurance plans, wait times for doctors and procedures grow longer and longer, and on and on. And it's only the beginning. Soon enough more and more options for medications and treatments will simply disappear as the government instructs insurance companies not to pay for them. But at least doctors will be instructed to be sure that their patient's end of life plans are all set up.


5 million people had to sign up for new policies. And the vast majority got cheaper and better plans.

What an incredible lie. Congratulations, you have sold your soul to a charlatan. What are you getting for it? Do you even know?

If you make over 95,000 you might have had to pay more.

"Might" Heh.

And it wasnt to "get medical insurance for one guy with heart trouble." it was so the millions with pre-existing conditions and the even more millions who couldnt afford it get medical insurance.

We didn't need the upheaval to do either of these.
 
You missed a few VERN.

"If you Like your Dr and Insurance you can keep them, PERIOD "

Grandfathered health plans do not have to meet all of the law’s new coverage requirements. But in order to be grandfathered, health plans must have existed on March 23, 2010. Those with individual grandfathered plans had to have them before the law took effect. And to maintain their grandfathered status, the plans must not be changed to cut benefits or significantly raise prices for consumers through deductibles or co-pays. Moreover, the administration issued an administrative fix for 2014 and beyond, letting people keep their current policies if allowed under state law through 2017.

Obama's Lie thay it would lower premiums by 2500.00 Dollars for your average American family.

First, it wasn't just premiums, it was total healthcare spending that would be reduced by $2,500. It's also true that healthcare spending is now growing at the slowest rate that it has in almost a half century, with the trend continuing downward.

It would reduce the deficit.

It does reduce the deficit - conservative repeal efforts would only increase the deficit, especially with no viable alternative.


It would be AFFORDABLE.

Considering the medicaid expansion has helped insure millions of the most impoverished Americans and subsidies are helping those who are on the bubble, I would venture to say it is affordable. It is helping to reduce the national deficit, lift Americans out of poverty and help keep people in the workforce.

It would grow our economy

Six Economic benefits of the ACA


The list goes on VERN.

Really? I haven't seen anything actually true that you've written thus far.
 
Here's a good Obamacare story. A close friend of mine is self-employed. He had no health insurance. Private insurance was far more expensive than he could afford. Now, thanks to Obamacare, he can actually afford healthcare and getting treatment for some of his chronic conditions.

Obamacare works, and it works for struggling middle class people, including the supposedly indifferent younger generation.

No it doesnt. You and your friend have to rely on goverment assistance to cover an over peiced premium all for an unaffordable deductible
 
Grandfathered health plans do not have to meet all of the law’s new coverage requirements. But in order to be grandfathered, health plans must have existed on March 23, 2010. Those with individual grandfathered plans had to have them before the law took effect. And to maintain their grandfathered status, the plans must not be changed to cut benefits or significantly raise prices for consumers through deductibles or co-pays. Moreover, the administration issued an administrative fix for 2014 and beyond, letting people keep their current policies if allowed under state law through 2017.



First, it wasn't just premiums, it was total healthcare spending that would be reduced by $2,500. It's also true that healthcare spending is now growing at the slowest rate that it has in almost a half century, with the trend continuing downward.



It does reduce the deficit - conservative repeal efforts would only increase the deficit, especially with no viable alternative.




Considering the medicaid expansion has helped insure millions of the most impoverished Americans and subsidies are helping those who are on the bubble, I would venture to say it is affordable. It is helping to reduce the national deficit, lift Americans out of poverty and help keep people in the workforce.



Six Economic benefits of the ACA




Really? I haven't seen anything actually true that you've written thus far.


Hmmmm...thats not what Obama said in reference to his " keep your Dr and Insurance ". He added no qualifying data nor did he mention anything about Grandfathered plans.

He lied repeatedly and you're attempting to mitigate that lie by adding qualifiers after the fact.

Its was dishonest of him to promise the impossible and its dishonest of you to try and justify his dishonest claims.

And premiums are "shrinking" at a slower rate ? LOL !! Then he should have said premiums would rise instead of promising families a 2500 Dollar annual savings.

It was a slimey bald face lie.

Reduce the deficit ? More Liberal dishonesty. More lies from the Democrats.

The thing is I'm not a Obama Supporter, which means I can read and add.

The CBOs projection of deficit reduction via the ACA was based on the law exactly as it was originally written.

That includes the draconian cuts to providers which even the CBO admitted would have to be revised.

Cuts to Drs and curs to Hospitals that are 60 percent higher than previous medicare reimbursements.

Lol ! I dare the Dems to try and get away with that.

They took the 500 Billion in Medicare " savings "and pushed it back into the law to claim a "deficit reduction".

Plus they didn't add in the 24 percent increase in medicaid spending that will come from the Dr Fix.

Plus, the CBO has compeleted more recent projections showing Medicaid expensese and over alll cost RISING due to ObamaCare.

The ACAs effect on the economy ? Lol...its been pulling down the National economy since its inception.

You Libs don't get Math...and well you dont get how the free markets work.

You think mandating unquantifiable cost increases on Bussinesses and Consumers years before their implementation wont have a negative effect on a economy.

But ofcourse you wouldn't. You think the ACA is actually a good law.
 
<Sigh> Of course there has been an upheaval that is ongoing. Doctors are already being told how to practice medicine, what kinds of records to keep and how, what schedule of diagnoses to use, tens of thousands of needless, oppressive, and expensive regulations are being implemented by over a hundred new agencies, plans for new hospitals and clinics have been shelved, reimbursement for services is being cut drastically, doctors are being eliminated from insurance networks by the tens of thousands, some of the best hospitals in the country are being cut out of insurance plans, wait times for doctors and procedures grow longer and longer, and on and on. And it's only the beginning. Soon enough more and more options for medications and treatments will simply disappear as the government instructs insurance companies not to pay for them. But at least doctors will be instructed to be sure that their patient's end of life plans are all set up.
Er uh Low, I’m flabbergasted. I understand some of the issues you are “misunderstanding” but this is new one to me. Can you back this up.
“tens of thousands of needless, oppressive, and expensive regulations are being implemented by over a hundred new agencies”
Now, I’m not asking you to repeat it. I’m not asking you to “explain why it must be true”. I’m asking you to back that up. And if that's too much, can you back up any of the others? Anyhoo, watch how I do it.
What an incredible lie. Congratulations, you have sold your soul to a charlatan. What are you getting for it? Do you even know?
I’m not sure if you’re calling the 5 million number a lie or the fact that the vast majority got cheaper or better plans. So I’ll prove them both. This is from the Rand poll.
“Of the 40.7 million who were uninsured in 2013, 14.5 million gained coverage, but 5.2 million of the insured lost coverage”
As far as better and cheaper goes,
in 2009 , 60% of bankruptcies were medical related. three quarters of those had health insurance.

“Bankruptcies due to medical bills increased by nearly 50 percent in a six-year period, from 46 percent in 2001 to 62 percent in 2007, and most of those who filed for bankruptcy were middle-class, well-educated homeowners,”
Medical bills prompt more than 60 percent of U.S. bankruptcies - CNN.com

Greenbeard had an excellent thread about one person saving a 1000 dollars a month.

"Might" Heh.
Some don't pay more. See above.

We didn't need the upheaval to do either of these.
First off, your “upheaval” narrative is more fantasy than fact. So please tell us the republican plan that covered the millions of people excluded for pre-existing condition and the millions more excluded due to cost.
 
Yup that $26 MONTH REAL HC just sucks!!!! (snicker)
 
Hello all,

With all the so-called 'horror stories' out there, I thought it might be nice to finally hear the other side... And boy is this one a doozy.

The ACA is better than it's made it out to be

Enjoy.

Wow! A good story about one individual and the ACA. That changes everything.
Wait, when the reports were coming out about people losing their insurance plans wasn't the response something like "well, that only involved 1-2% of the population and was therefore not significant. 1 person = 0.0000000003%. I understand there are a lot of good stories like that but still anecdotes don't mean good policy.
 
Wow! A good story about one individual and the ACA. That changes everything.
Wait, when the reports were coming out about people losing their insurance plans wasn't the response something like "well, that only involved 1-2% of the population and was therefore not significant. 1 person = 0.0000000003%. I understand there are a lot of good stories like that but still anecdotes don't mean good policy.

eric, good job focusing on the “one guy getting insurance” narrative. And breaking it down 1 person as % of the population is genius. However Obamacare wasn’t implemented so this "one guy" could get health care. It was implemented because

3 million people couldn’t get insurance because of preexisting conditions
millions more couldn’t afford it
health care was 17 % of our GDP (double other western democracies) and climbing
40,000 people die a year for lack of insurance

people having to get a new policy is an inconvenience. millions denied coverage is a tragedy.
 
Hello all,

With all the so-called 'horror stories' out there, I thought it might be nice to finally hear the other side... And boy is this one a doozy.

The ACA is better than it's made it out to be

Enjoy.

Indeed.

Obamacare Enrollees Emboldened To Leave Jobs, Start Businesses
Until recently, Mike Smith, 64, of Long Beach, Calif., worked 11 hours a day, Monday through Friday and then half a day on Saturday. He was a district manager for a national auto parts chain.

He dreamed of retiring early, but it wasn't an option for him because he and his wife relied on the health insurance tied to his job.

"At our age, with some pre-existing medical conditions, it would have been very costly to buy insurance on the open market — about $3,000 a month," he says.

But the Affordable Care Act changed that. Smith retired in January. So did his wife, Laura, also 64.

The couple now has a private health insurance policy bought through Covered California, the state's insurance marketplace. It costs $200 a month.

A recent study by Georgetown University and the Urban Institute predicts the ACA will enable up to 1.5 million Americans to leave their jobs and become self-employed, start new businesses or retire early. It's a finding that runs counter to forecasts by critics of the federal health law, who contend it will cost the nation jobs and cripple America's small-business economy.

Last year, Murray says, her husband — a freelance worker in the information technology field — was diagnosed with chronic spinal arthritis. He needed good health insurance, which he received through Murray's job as a social worker in Chicago for a dialysis company. But Murray didn't like her job.

Murray and her husband are both 31, with a 20-month-old daughter and a second child on the way. Before the Affordable Care Act, they couldn't get insurance on the individual market because of his pre-existing condition.

But under the federal health law, they now qualify for a subsidized policy that will cost $535 a month for the whole family. It's not cheap, she says, but the coverage allowed her to quit her job and launch an online business to help other young women take care of sick loved ones.
 
“there are death panels"

Removed. Then added to Medicare. Then removed again.

"we stopped supporting the mandate way before 2009"

Do you have evidence that the RNC supported a federal mandate in, say, 2008?

"Obamacare is unconstitutional"

Opinions aren't lies and the SCOTUS isn't infallible.

"no seriously, we stopped supporting the mandate way before 2009"

[citation]

"Obamacare wont meet its goals"

Predictions aren't lies, but statistics often are.

"there will be a death spiral"

Predictions aren't lies, and this one hasn't even had time to happen.

" I swear, we really did stop supporting the mandate way before 2009"

Padding an already dubious list.

“it does not lower the deficit”

It has not lowered the deficit.

“it covers illegal aliens”

Who made this claim? Because they were apparently right.

“cross my heart hope to die, we stopped supporting the mandate way before 2009”

So this list was mostly just a repeat of this...

“the cost has doubled to 2 trillion dollars”

Predictions are not lies.

Well, that "mountain" of yours was rather lame.
 
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