ANOTHER Judge Rules Democrats violated election law.

[code1211]

Ask them https://www.theepochtimes.com/arizo...0-election_3758396.html?utm_source=pushengage

Hmmm...

So the article dated April 1, 2021 promises to audit the ballots.

This sounds promising.

I hope they are impartial and honest.

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

Do they actually audit ballots? I thought that in a recount, they simply re-counted ballots already counted. ERGO, the name.

What were/are the audit points that they employ to AUDIT ballots already approved to have been legal?

At the time of a recount, there are no audit trails remaining. The ballots are ALREADY removed from any sleeves that had signatures that weren't reviewed and any identity information at all.

WAHT IS THERE TO AUDIT?

 

[Carl Young]

Back in 2016 plenty of Democrats thought the election was dishonest, including the leadership. There is no way to know if elections are honest without a verifiable paper trail. That we don't have. So we just don't know.

"We just don't know" whether elections are honest or not is really not a way to move forward.
There really needs to be an open and honest investigation in order that every American feels confident that the elections are honest. When significant number of members of both parties agree that the election was corrupt then something has to be done about it.

 

[Carl Young]

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Trump didn't lose as much as the American people did. Just look at the open border situation and watch what happens with China. Big business will now be directing government policy.

 

[mrjurrs]

I understand that they recounted the ballots that were counted the first time.

Were you disturbed that they didn't add in the 11,780 votes 45 wanted included?

 

[skeptic llc]

Oops, wrong turn onto moron post, GPS please help me navigate back to sane people talking.

 

[Nickyjo]

Just a quick note.

Obama had a cutting edge technologically advance methodology for harvesting useful information to gain political advantage in elections.

Trump examined it and augmented it and won in 2016.

The Democrats used obviously illegal methods to win elections in 2020.

Do you seriously believe that the Republicans are NOT studying those methods and constructing the methods to use them?

You seem to believe that the only lying thieves in politics are Democrats. There are lying thieves among the republicans as well.

2020 will quite likely be viewed historically as the election during which American Elections became superfluous to the US President Selections.

What were the obviously illegal methods that democrats used?

 

[code1211]

Were you disturbed that they didn't add in the 11,780 votes 45 wanted included?

I was and am disturbed by what seems to be some very odd things that happened during the election.

I like transparency in government. ANYTHING that tends to obscure transparency is, to me, suspicious.

I feel that the folks who lie, cheat and steal, that is, the folks that run our elections, will be prone to lie, cheat and steal.

I also feel like dogs bark and rain falls. Call me a skeptic.

 

[code1211]

What were the obviously illegal methods that democrats used?

Rules were implemented by individuals working within state governments AFTER the election was under way.

These rules changed the laws voted into place by the State Legislatures.

New laws are being passed in various states specifically to prevent future similar abuses.

 

[mrjurrs]

I was and am disturbed by what seems to be some very odd things that happened during the election.

I like transparency in government. ANYTHING that tends to obscure transparency is, to me, suspicious.

I feel that the folks who lie, cheat and steal, that is, the folks that run our elections, will be prone to lie, cheat and steal.

I also feel like dogs bark and rain falls. Call me a skeptic.

Odd things happen in every election. Got a factual claim for any of those odd things having an impact on the election?

 

[code1211]

What were the obviously illegal methods that democrats used?

Changing the rules after the game started is the complaint I hear most often.

Individuals eliminating any method whatever to verify the identity of voters submitting ballots was the change objected to.

This elimination took several forms.

 

[code1211]

Odd things happen in every election. Got a factual claim for any of those odd things having an impact on the election?

My feeling on this is pretty well documented in my posts.

Politicians are lying thieves. Politicians run our elections. That "Odd things happen in every election" seems to provide firm foundation for my concern and seems to show that you agree.

Assuring that the lying thieves who run our elections are constrained from performing their normal and usual actions during elections seems to be appropriate.

Removing or withholding safe guards seems to be foolish if it's an accident and corrupt if it's done by design.

Like removing a fire alarm from a school. "The school never burned down before. We REALLY don't need this."

 

[Nickyjo]

Changing the rules after the game started is the complaint I hear most often.

Individuals eliminating any method whatever to verify the identity of voters submitting ballots was the change objected to.

This elimination took several forms.

The main rule I heard that was changed was to allow for more mail in ballots, presumably based on the pandemic and republicans, normally those who use mail in ballots were joined by a larger number of democrats, who seem more concerned about the virus. I have used mail in ballots for years on occasion, without any identity verification, tho I presume I can get the ballot because I am on the rolls. But bottom line, none of this suggests that the election was stolen as Trump's battered ego.

 

[Nickyjo]

My feeling on this is pretty well documented in my posts.

Politicians are lying thieves. Politicians run our elections. That "Odd things happen in every election" seems to provide firm foundation for my concern and seems to show that you agree.

Assuring that the lying thieves who run our elections are constrained from performing their normal and usual actions during elections seems to be appropriate.

Removing or withholding safe guards seems to be foolish if it's an accident and corrupt if it's done by design.

Like removing a fire alarm from a school. "The school never burned down before. We REALLY don't need this."

O Lordy, Lordy, how did we have ok elections for so long until Trump got involved in politics? Oh! How could I miss this? Silly me. I get it now: TRUMP fixed the election so he would lose, since he was bored at being president but still wanted to be able to claim he wasn't a loser, worse to him than being called a rapist.

Win-win. Or lose-win.

 

[mrjurrs]

My feeling on this is pretty well documented in my posts.

Politicians are lying thieves. Politicians run our elections. That "Odd things happen in every election" seems to provide firm foundation for my concern and seems to show that you agree.

Assuring that the lying thieves who run our elections are constrained from performing their normal and usual actions during elections seems to be appropriate.

Removing or withholding safe guards seems to be foolish if it's an accident and corrupt if it's done by design.

Like removing a fire alarm from a school. "The school never burned down before. We REALLY don't need this."

'Feeling' means jack. Show evidence of the crime before you try to create a solution. I could be robbed today, but no one should be asking for laws to prevent that from happening.

 

[code1211]

The main rule I heard that was changed was to allow for more mail in ballots, presumably based on the pandemic and republicans, normally those who use mail in ballots were joined by a larger number of democrats, who seem more concerned about the virus. I have used mail in ballots for years on occasion, without any identity verification, tho I presume I can get the ballot because I am on the rolls. But bottom line, none of this suggests that the election was stolen as Trump's battered ego.

The outcome of any particular election has no bearing on the fair application of effective voter ID.

We know with absolute certainty that the folks we elect to public office are politicians. We know, also with absolute certainty, that politicians are lying thieves.

We know, then, with absolute certainty that the folks who oversee our elections, politicians, are lying thieves.

Instituting and maintaining laws to control the actions of those we know will do harm seems prudent.

At zoos, there are walls to prevent the visiting people from mingling with the resident lions. There's a reason for this.

 

[code1211]

O Lordy, Lordy, how did we have ok elections for so long until Trump got involved in politics? Oh! How could I miss this? Silly me. I get it now: TRUMP fixed the election so he would lose, since he was bored at being president but still wanted to be able to claim he wasn't a loser, worse to him than being called a rapist.

Win-win. Or lose-win.

I suppose you feel that there is an understandable message in this post.

 

[code1211]

'Feeling' means jack. Show evidence of the crime before you try to create a solution. I could be robbed today, but no one should be asking for laws to prevent that from happening.

Theft should not be a crime? Are you a Democrat-Socialist?

 

[mrjurrs]

Theft should not be a crime? Are you a Democrat-Socialist?

Theft is definitely a crime. Got an example (other than this election) of anybody investigating a theft when there is no evidence it occurred?

 

[Nickyjo]

The outcome of any particular election has no bearing on the fair application of effective voter ID.

We know with absolute certainty that the folks we elect to public office are politicians. We know, also with absolute certainty, that politicians are lying thieves.

We know, then, with absolute certainty that the folks who oversee our elections, politicians, are lying thieves.

Instituting and maintaining laws to control the actions of those we know will do harm seems prudent.

At zoos, there are walls to prevent the visiting people from mingling with the resident lions. There's a reason for this.

The problem with this notion and your suggested prescription for a cure is the partisan nature of the current reform efforts, coupled with some more or less outrageous clauses in some of the legislation produced. Needed reform often comes to us when a reason for it is obvious to a significant portion of the citizenry and the sentiment in favor percolates up to those in power, creating some vague consensus which is then put into proposals. Here we have a triple whammy problem getting us nowhere close to even the beginning of a consensus: 1- an election with a huge turnout where neither party's officials, including a super loyal former AG, close to and monitoring the election saw any significant fraud; 2- the phenomenon of sitting president who claimed fraud in a election that he won in 2016, with almost comic lack of results in a committee set up to find it, then claimed fraud months before the 2020 election, claimed fraud for weeks after the election, and then appeared to rally his followers with suggestions that they, including his own VP, should attempt to prevent ratification of the election; 3- the fact that only republicans have jumped on the issue, jumped on it massively (43 states), and have a record of statements that they benefit when turnout is bad and/or statements that voter ID laws will give them an edge. The arrest of the Georgia legislator was the cherry on top of this sequence of events.

Finally, as one who worked on elections, I don't believe that election officials are in any way obviously crooked.

 

[code1211]

Theft is definitely a crime. Got an example (other than this election) of anybody investigating a theft when there is no evidence it occurred?

Lying thieves is the Universe from which we draw our elected officials.

Being a lying thief pretty much states that the lying thieves both told lies and performed theft.

Federal Outlays comparing 2019 to 2000 are up by about 250%. Is you benefit from Federal Spending up 250%.

Out elected officials are lying thieves. The only point(s) that is debatable is how much did they steal and how much did they keep for themselves.

 

[code1211]

The problem with this notion and your suggested prescription for a cure is the partisan nature of the current reform efforts, coupled with some more or less outrageous clauses in some of the legislation produced. Needed reform often comes to us when a reason for it is obvious to a significant portion of the citizenry and the sentiment in favor percolates up to those in power, creating some vague consensus which is then put into proposals. Here we have a triple whammy problem getting us nowhere close to even the beginning of a consensus: 1- an election with a huge turnout where neither party's officials, including a super loyal former AG, close to and monitoring the election saw any significant fraud; 2- the phenomenon of sitting president who claimed fraud in a election that he won in 2016, with almost comic lack of results in a committee set up to find it, then claimed fraud months before the 2020 election, claimed fraud for weeks after the election, and then appeared to rally his followers with suggestions that they, including his own VP, should attempt to prevent ratification of the election; 3- the fact that only republicans have jumped on the issue, jumped on it massively (43 states), and have a record of statements that they benefit when turnout is bad and/or statements that voter ID laws will give them an edge. The arrest of the Georgia legislator was the cherry on top of this sequence of events.

Finally, as one who worked on elections, I don't believe that election officials are in any way obviously crooked.

What was the method used in the 2020 election in either Michigan or Pennsylvania to verify the identity of entities submitting ballots?

 

[Nickyjo]

What was the method used in the 2020 election in either Michigan or Pennsylvania to verify the identity of entities submitting ballots?

I don’t know. Has anyone uncovered any significant fraud in those states? Again to push one of my points, Trump and company focused alleged fraud w/o offering much by way of evidence evidence in two places in those states: Detroit and Philly, Democratic strongholds and places with large minority populations. Not surprising, no coincidence.

 

[mrjurrs]

Lying thieves is the Universe from which we draw our elected officials.

Being a lying thief pretty much states that the lying thieves both told lies and performed theft.

Federal Outlays comparing 2019 to 2000 are up by about 250%. Is you benefit from Federal Spending up 250%.

Out elected officials are lying thieves. The only point(s) that is debatable is how much did they steal and how much did they keep for themselves.

Ohh. Rampant paranoia.

 

[code1211]

I don’t know. Has anyone uncovered any significant fraud in those states? Again to push one of my points, Trump and company focused alleged fraud w/o offering much by way of evidence evidence in two places in those states: Detroit and Philly, Democratic strongholds and places with large minority populations. Not surprising, no coincidence.

Not checking anything usually will result in nothing being checked.

Mail-in ballots received in Pennsylvania and Michigan were not verified using any method whatever to determine if they came from a voter, a robot or a deceased entity of any species.