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Another GOP Candidate Changes His Stance on Abortion

Raunchy? Do you happen to have handy the portion of Dobbs that you believe supports the killing of women?
It isn't a particular portion of Dobbs. It's this.

In the 14th Amendment, no person in the US can be deprived of the rights to life, liberty, and property without due process. Substantive due process applies if the right is in one of the first 8 amendments in the Bill of Rights or it's a select fundamental right "deeply rooted in in history and tradition."

In Dobbs, it's claimed that the right to abortion isn't one of the latter, and the rights to life, liberty, and property are only in the 5th amendment and related there to punishment for crimes.

Alito concludes on the basis of a poor historical review that abortion isn't a "deeply rooted" right. But one problem is that, before about 1948, abortion was more dangerous than childbirth. But after about 1948, late pregnancy and childbirth became more dangerous than legal abortion. By the time of Roe, abortion was perhaps 8-10 times safer than late pregnancy and childbirth as regards mortality risk. Now, it's 14 times safer in that regard, and for the first 10-12 weeks, it's 22-24 times safer. So self-defense of one's rights to life and to health as a basic component of liberty became an implied issue from that time.

In a long section, Alito asks, "what does a right to liberty mean?" and concludes that this is a slippery slope and certainly does not say it includes the right to protect one's own health. He ignores the mortality and serious health risks of pregnancy and childbirth for women.

When Dobbs overturns Roe/Casey, it doesn't say, but the 14th Amendment rights to life or the health component of liberty apply if a pregnancy poses an emergency risk of death or irreparable injury, or if the fetus is incompatible with life, etc., so the state would have to make an exception to an anti-abortion law then.

So it appears that a state can just make an anti-abortion law to protect a potential human life that isn't a person but has no obligation to protect a woman's right even to life and, therefore, to self-defense and the defense of a medical professional if she can pay for it. In his draft, if not in the final opinion, Alito suggests that, because most women married and were under coverture, their personhood merged into their husbands, the 14th A was never intended to apply to them. He never mentioned women who didn't marry.

He never says the fetus has rights as a person, and so a right to life, but neither does the Dobbs opinion state that the 14th amendment personal rights of life, liberty, and property DO apply to women.

When the state of Idaho made an anti-abortion law without exception even to save a woman from an immediate threat of death, it seemed to interpret Dobbs this way - that if a state wishes, it can protect fetal life and has no obligation to protect even the right to life of the woman.

So if you could get pregnant, how would it read to you? Sounds like a woman doesn't have a right to life.
 
Dems supported the right to choose before, they supported it after.
Republicans were against abortion before, then they were even worse after, until they saw the poll numbers and got scared.
?? You think REpubs support abortion now?
 
So you don't want Republicans to moderate their positions?
If they really do and don’t just lie about it until elected/appointed and then go straight back to their real position like the Supremes did.
 
Kinda like Barack Obama and Bill Clinton saying that marriage was between a man and a woman?

Yeah, no vote hunting there when they flipped on the issue ..................................right? :rolleyes:

So, the answer to your question is yes.................................Democrats rely on their imbecile base also.
Kinda not, RetiredUSN.
Stick to the thread topic.
Stop your GOPutin derailing.
 
So you don't want Republicans to moderate their positions?
You mean to give GOPutins a pass to lie about their abortion positions until after the election, eh Rawley?
 
These guys must think we are complete imbeciles, that we can't remember what they said yesterday. Nevada GOP gubernatorial candidate Joe Lombardo, sheriff of Clark County, has done a complete 180 degree reversal from his position on Nevada's abortion law.



Now, Lombardo says



Less than two weeks ago, he told a Review-Journal reporter that he would consider repealing Sisolak’s executive order, calling it “political theater.”
Republican candidates see the abortion issue as a total loser for them, so now they think they can simply get away by lying about their true positions.

Lombardo is a known liar and is not to be trusted. No GQP member can be trusted on this issue.

If he gets elected, he will go back the other way. He must be removed from the Sheriff's office and must never be allowed in politics. He is a GQP liar.
 
?? You think REpubs support abortion now?
No, I wouldn't ever trust any Republican on this issue now, not even the ones who have never said they were anti-abortion, because the party as a whole is now completely tainted. If one were a pro-choice Republican, he or she would have to leave the party.
 
No, I wouldn't ever trust any Republican on this issue now, not even the ones who have never said they were anti-abortion, because the party as a whole is now completely tainted. If one were a pro-choice Republican, he or she would have to leave the party.
LOL You have one, repeat one, pro-life House member in your party. 1 out of 224.
 
LOL You have one, repeat one, pro-life House member in your party. 1 out of 224.
I don't see how this is a laughing matter. The GOP has almost no pro-choice representatives, either. This makes it possible for people who genuinely care about the issue to turn away from the GOP as if it were a virus.
 
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