Another Day, Another School Shooting

[calamity]

Does this garbage even pass as logic in your head before you type and hit post?

The shooting in this case was an aggressive homicide. You were chastising me for condemning aggression while believing in the right to self-defense, apparently. As stupid as that was, you were the one taking that tack.

Seems to me that most of the gun deaths in the US have nothing to do with self defense. What? maybe 5% are justified homicides versus the 13,000 violent felonies and the 19,000 suicides?

No. Guns are primarily an instrument of death, not self defense. That's just a bull**** NRA lie.

 

[calamity]

I don't agree with abortion! This issue is between God, the woman, and her doctor. That being said there is a huge difference between choosing ending an unborn life, versus providing a means to defend your life against someone who wouldn't hesitate to take it!

Like abortion, the only purpose of a gun is to kill. Jay is a habitual anti-abortion advocate. I find it ironic that he is a supporter of killing instruments, like guns, while preaching the anti-abort BS. That's why I brought it up when I replied to his post.

 

[ludin]

Ah, so in NRA world, we can't even mention it when another kid dies because some asshole had too easy access to a gun. Is that how you want it?

he didn't have easy access and in fact couldn't not legally purchase a gun.
however most criminals obtain their guns illegally anyway and no amount of laws will stop them
from getting them.

they don't care about your gun control laws. you guys don't seem to understand this.

 

[calamity]

he didn't have easy access and in fact couldn't not legally purchase a gun.
however most criminals obtain their guns illegally anyway and no amount of laws will stop them
from getting them.

they don't care about your gun control laws. you guys don't seem to understand this.

The fact that they can be purchased on any street corner is a problem created by the NRA's pro gun stance. After all, they oppose any and all attempts to register and document guns. The best cops can do is catalog bullets and cartridges after a crime has been committed and tie them to some gun they still hope to find, which is a bit like finding a specific star in the night sky.

 

[ludin]

The fact that they can be purchased on any street corner is a problem created by the NRA's pro gun stance. After all, they oppose any and all attempts to register and document guns. The best cops can do is catalog bullets and cartridges after a crime has been committed and tie them to some gun they still have to find, which is like finding a specific star in the night sky.

actually it isn't. those are illegal gun sales. the people selling them don't care about the NRA or CA numerous and massive amounts of gun control laws.
actually when buying firearm legally you do have to register the firearm in your name.

if that is lost or stolen then you should immediately report it to the cops.

you really need to educate yourself on the subject and what you are talking about because right now you are just spewing rhetoric.

 

[JayDubya]

Seems to me that most of the gun deaths in the US have nothing to do with self defense. What? maybe 5% are justified homicides versus the 13,000 violent felonies and the 19,000 suicides?

No. Guns are primarily an instrument of death, not self defense. That's just a bull**** NRA lie.

:shrug: NO1CURR, fam.

Guns are inanimate objects. People have every right to buy them, own them, carry them, use them for recreation, use them for self-defense, use them as paperweights for all anyone should care. Just in a general property rights, freedom of choice sort of way, but also these rights are explicitly protected in the Bill of Rights.

Yeah weapons can make it easier to kill folks. Some folks attack others in aggression and deserve killing. Again, :shrug:

 

[calamity]

:shrug: NO1CURR, fam.

Guns are inanimate objects. People have every right to buy them, own them, carry them, use them for recreation, use them for self-defense, use them as paperweights for all anyone should care. Just in a general property rights, freedom of choice sort of way, but also these rights are explicitly protected in the Bill of Rights.

Yeah weapons can make it easier to kill folks. Some folks attack others in aggression and deserve killing. Again, :shrug:

Why on earth would a "pro-life" advocate fight for the so-called right to have deadly instruments designed and used exclusively to kill? Seems a bit off, you ask me.

Oh, wait. You support the right to target shoot :roll:

 

[BretJ]

Seems to me that most of the gun deaths in the US have nothing to do with self defense. What? maybe 5% are justified homicides versus the 13,000 violent felonies and the 19,000 suicides?

No. Guns are primarily an instrument of death, not self defense. That's just a bull**** NRA lie.

Why ignore the defensive uses that did not result in a death or even discharge of the firearm? Never mind. No need to answer why you would fail to account for those. Kind of shoots your "alternative facts" in the foot doesn't it....

 

[JayDubya]

Why on earth would a "pro-life" advocate fight for the so-called right to have deadly instruments designed and used to kill? Seems a bit off, you ask me.

What's wrong with killing folks who deserve it? :lol:

 

[BretJ]

Why on earth would a "pro-life" advocate fight for the so-called right to have deadly instruments designed and used exclusively to kill? Seems a bit off, you ask me.

Again....So what if firearms can kill? You really can't tell the difference between killing and murder?

 

[calamity]

actually it isn't. those are illegal gun sales. the people selling them don't care about the NRA or CA numerous and massive amounts of gun control laws.
actually when buying firearm legally you do have to register the firearm in your name.

if that is lost or stolen then you should immediately report it to the cops.

you really need to educate yourself on the subject and what you are talking about because right now you are just spewing rhetoric.

Guns bought legally being sold illegally. It's not rocket science.

https://www.thetrace.org/2015/11/chicago-gun-laws-shootings-trafficking/

Last year, 88 percent of the guns recovered in Illinois were seized in Chicago. More than half of them came from out of state.

 

[calamity]

Again....So what if firearms can kill? You really can't tell the difference between killing and murder?

The NRA and gun zealots who send them hundreds of millions of dollars are putting up every obstacle known to man which could put some logical controls on these weapons that are flooding our streets. But no. Gun zealots see every measure as an assault on thier god given right to shoot each other dead.

 

[Ikari]

deadly instruments should be considered as such and not be treated as a political football. My guess is the gun zealots are too wrapped up in their obsessions to even notice that their cause has been hijacked and now has people dying in droves.

So...are we concerned in general with death, or just death caused by guns?

 

[calamity]

What's wrong with killing folks who deserve it? :lol:

On that point we actually agree. I just prefer the state do it after a jury trial and a few appeals.

 

[JayDubya]

On that point we actually agree.

I'm sure we don't.

I'm referring to ****ers who attack others and get blasted; they find out they're quite vulnerable to lead-induced anemia.

 

[calamity]

I'm sure we don't.

I'm referring to ****ers who attack others and get blasted; they find out they're quite vulnerable to lead-induced anemia.

Like I said, only a tiny fraction of the nearly 35,000 gun homicides and suicides are the result of self-defense. But hey, maybe you can write off the 20,000 suicides as Darwin awards.

 

[calamity]

So...are we concerned in general with death, or just death caused by guns?

No tool is used to intentionally kill more people in this country than guns. So, it should not be hard to stay focused on this, IK.

 

[Rucker61]

Seems to me that most of the gun deaths in the US have nothing to do with self defense. What? maybe 5% are justified homicides versus the 13,000 violent felonies and the 19,000 suicides?

No. Guns are primarily an instrument of death, not self defense. That's just a bull**** NRA lie.

Most of the guns in the US never kill anyone or anything.

 

[JayDubya]

Like I said, only a tiny fraction of the nearly 35,000 gun homicides and suicides are the result of self-defense. But hey, maybe you can write off the 20,000 suicides as Darwin awards.

People have the right to kill themselves if they want to, non-issue. :shrug:

 

[Rucker61]

Like abortion, the only purpose of a gun is to kill.

Simply wrong, or we'd have have 300 million deaths each year.

 

[BretJ]

The NRA and gun zealots who send them hundreds of millions of dollars are putting up every obstacle known to man which could put some logical controls on these weapons that are flooding our streets. But no. Gun zealots see every measure as an assault on thier god given right to shoot each other dead.

Nice attempt to dodge. Stick to the point. You said guns are designed to kill. I asked so what? Then I asked if you can tell the difference between killing and murder. The fact that guns can kill is what makes them useful for self defense, law enforcement and military action where that threat alone is enough.

 

[Ikari]

No tool is used to intentionally kill more people in this country than guns. So, it should not be hard to stay focused on this, IK.

So not death in general. You just want to specifically limit it to guns. OK.

 

[Rucker61]

Guns bought legally being sold illegally. It's not rocket science.


https://www.thetrace.org/2015/11/chicago-gun-laws-shootings-trafficking/

Interesting. According to the ATF, most guns traced game from inside Illinois.

https://www.atf.gov/docs/163564-ilatfwebsite15pdf/download

 

[Rucker61]

Like I said, only a tiny fraction of the nearly 35,000 gun homicides and suicides are the result of self-defense. But hey, maybe you can write off the 20,000 suicides as Darwin awards.

Would a gun registry prevent suicides?

 

[calamity]

So not death in general. You just want to specifically limit it to guns. OK.

Uh, this is a gun control sub-forum. You'll see that when you look up. :roll: