Another asshole cop... it just never ends.

[gino]

So, you're saying that just because this happened everyone should be treated as potential cop killers?

No, but when you deal with a cop it isn't like dealing with anyone else. That is why I preach that you should treat police differently than others.
You guys are willing to admit that cops have more to fear out on the street, and have a higher level of responsibility out on the street. So you should also say that cops should be shown a higher level of respect (on the street) than the average person...

 

[Lutherf]

Yes, we have standards of conduct for police that are higher than normal what a shocker.
The difference being I as a citizen can't deprive you of your liberty and throw you in jail for little or no reason and I can't point a gun at you at the slightest hint of provocation or hint of threat and the police can and do.

The police aren't supposed to just be the biggest gang on the street.

If you believe that a cop is being abusive then it is MUCH better to address that matter in front of a judge instead of on the street. A judge can hold the cop accountable while you can not. If you act in a way that might make the cop's actions seem reasonable, or at least justifiable, then you are harming your own case.

 

[justabubba]

So, you think any hesitation or any questioning of an officer is a green light for them to go nuts?
They can destroy property and beat the crap out of anyone for simply wanting to know why they're being stopped or questioned?

You really do seem to want a police state where the police can demand instant obedience and can question or flat out arrest anyone at any time for anything and if there isn't anything they can just decide to start jostling you and then arrest you for assaulting a police officer when you resist or wasting police time if you question them.

That doesn't seem very American.

this was not simply hesitation
this was a deliberate effort to confound the commands of the police officer who pulled him over
he was trying to be argumentative rather than cooperative
in every instance where he told the cop he was cooperating as instructed, he was not

the only question i have regarding the cops' actions was the failure to issue a speeding ticket

 

[Fledermaus]

As soon as a person behaves innappropriately, you seem to think that gives the cop a license to do whatever they damn well please.

Oh he didn't "comply" instantly, so I shot him 60 times... and you'd be ok with that, eh?

Members of the White Right Party (GOP) need to look up and memorize the meaning of "due process".

Got hyperbole?

 

[Fledermaus]

Within minutes the cop wants what he wants or he is gonna break windows, arrest, etc.

For a guy just sitting in his care in a parking lot...

Incorrect.

 

[Bodi]

Was this teenager acting like an asshole?

Not to mention it looks like he could have broken his back or died from that fall...

21 days in jail? Kid should get to hit the cop 21 times...

 

[Bodi]

There is one common thread that exists in nearly all incidents like this one... Noncompliance. When a police officer asks you to exit your vehicle, you exit your vehicle. It's not a discussion, it's not a negotiation, it's a lawful order.

Whether you believe the actions of the officer(s) crossed the line, or you believe their actions were warranted, there is one thing we should all agree on... If the man had simply complied with the officer and got out of his car when he was asked, his window wouldn't have been broken, there wouldn't have been a physical confrontation leading to him being medically treated, and assuming his paper work was good, he probably wouldn't have been arrested.

Why is it nobody is the least bit interested in preventing situations like this from coming to a head in the first place?
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Funny how when you act like an asshole when dealing and interacting with Law Enforcement,, then the Police also act like assholes.
Thats quite a coincidence isnt it?
WHO KNEW?!?!?

How come we don't see British or French or Kiwi or Aussie or pretty much any other cops demanding compliance, tazing kids or beating people up for things that should be very simple? No cameras in those countries?

Here is another guy that was "just sitting in his car in a parking lot" last night, then he shot a cop in the head.

keep your eyes peeled everyone, especially if you are in Florida and especially Daytona Beach.

Lets help put this thug into in prison for good!!!

Man who shot Daytona Beach police officer in the head arrested

The man who shot a Daytona Beach, Florida, police officer in the head Wednesday night has been arrested. The officer, identified as 26-year-old Jason Raynor, was responding to a suspicious incident at the time, the department said. Raynor can be seen approaching the suspect who is sitting in a...

www.yahoo.com

"Just sitting in a parked car in a parking lot..."

No video...

 

[Bodi]

What would I have done?

I'd have followed the directions by the cop. Then, if I thought he had been unprofessional, I would go down to his precinct and filed a complaint. If I had no satisfaction, I would have asked to speak to the person in charge. If I didn't get satisfaction, I'd then go to the mayor and file a complaint.

That is how it is done.

You must have missed the videos were people are threatened for asking for police complaint forms... not quite as simple as you make it out to be.

I think we can also all agree that despite the non compliance, the office was wrong.

No. We can't. There are a few here acting like cops aren't wrong and should be allowed to get away with shit because when a cop says so you do it.

 

[Bodi]

Please state how he was being an asshole by standing calmly and looking at his phone?
What possible reason could there be to taze (sp?) someone in that situation? He was clearly unarmed and was not about to attack anyone.
Are you saying the police can taze anyone at any time for no reason?

The clip pretty clearly showed the officer assaulting someone.

Americans don't consider tazing a big thing, for the most part, while most of the world has special units that deal with tasing and it is a big deal.

I'm an older guy. I have banged my head against enough walls to finally be smart enough to work smarter. If I thought that the cop was out of line, I'm going to do something about it. I'm just going to be smart about it. Fighting a cop just isn't a smart thing to do. There is a difference between the smart thing to do and the "I have the right to do this" thing to do. WE should be teaching young people how to fight the system in a productive way.

Instead of demanding better from cops you are giving them the green light to be worse...

Incorrect.

Yet it is correct...

 

[bomberfox]

What would I have done?

I'd have followed the directions by the cop. Then, if I thought he had been unprofessional, I would go down to his precinct and filed a complaint. If I had no satisfaction, I would have asked to speak to the person in charge. If I didn't get satisfaction, I'd then go to the mayor and file a complaint.

That is how it is done.

If they dont chase you away or toss your report in the bin.

 

[bomberfox]

America is truly a bootlicking country.

 

[gino]

You must have missed the videos were people are threatened for asking for police complaint forms... not quite as simple as you make it out to be.

If I ever went into the police station and was refused to be given a complaint form, the next place I'd be was the chief of police's office. If that didn't work, I'd be in the mayor's office. Now, I am a tax paying guy who supports the local cops, so I fully expect to be heard by the police chief and mayor. I'm not giving the police the right to abuse citizens, I'm saying that you should go about complaining the correct way. Trying to fight a cop at the scene (either verbally or physically) isn't the correct way to deal with a bad cop. Waiting until after the incident and speaking to his/her superiors is the correct way.

Let's say I did all that and I didn't get satisfaction. I would then start to tell all my friends about it and ask that they vote against the mayor or chief of police. I would make a stink until I got someone's attention. But at this point, you have to go after the guy who is elected. They WILL listen if you know what you are doing. Try standing outside the mayor's office with a sign that the police are becoming a problem, and do it during rush hour traffic. See how long it takes for someone to come to you to see what the problem is.

Fight smart.

 

[gino]

Actually, I wouldn't ever fill out a complaint against a police officer. I would ask to speak to his sergeant and make it a personal discussion. Then I would expect that police officer to come knocking on my door with an apology. Remember, most police are good people trying to do a hard job. If the guy was just having a bad day, he deserves another chance. If he really is a bad cop, you'll hear about it and can join in the call for his being fired.

 

[Citizen]

There is one common thread that exists in nearly all incidents like this one... Noncompliance. When a police officer asks you to exit your vehicle, you exit your vehicle. It's not a discussion, it's not a negotiation, it's a lawful order.

Whether you believe the actions of the officer(s) crossed the line, or you believe their actions were warranted, there is one thing we should all agree on... If the man had simply complied with the officer and got out of his car when he was asked, his window wouldn't have been broken, there wouldn't have been a physical confrontation leading to him being medically treated, and assuming his paper work was good, he probably wouldn't have been arrested.

Why is it nobody is the least bit interested in preventing situations like this from coming to a head in the first place?
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There was no noncompliance here. And you cannot be resisting arrest when you have not been charged with anything.

 

[Citizen]

Funny how when you act like an asshole when dealing and interacting with Law Enforcement,, then the Police also act like assholes.
Thats quite a coincidence isnt it?
WHO KNEW?!?!?

And that is the problem. Police should be trained better

 

[Jason Warfield]

if a cop wishes to be an asshole to you; let him. Here’s why:

if you simply comply and remain calm instead of challenging the officer, the odds of violence or property damaged goes down.

If the officer is out of line, simply ask for badge number and name. They will give it you; but be polite, not demanding.

Remember that there is a very good chance this is all being filmed; if you look calm and polite, things will look better for you in the long run.

Take the appropriate steps to report what you feel is wrong and why the officer was wrong to do what he did.

If nothing happens. Sue the ever-loving $&ck out of them. Make it public, involve the media.

But do not act like an idiot. If no other reason than it will not help your cause in any way shape or form.

However, if you are a sovereign citizen-type…then you kind of deserve being curb stomped for your stupidity alone….

 

[Drowning Man]

There is one common thread that exists in nearly all incidents like this one... Noncompliance. When a police officer asks you to exit your vehicle, you exit your vehicle. It's not a discussion, it's not a negotiation, it's a lawful order.

Yeah...police like to give a lot of orders. That it comes from a police officer doesn't necessarily make it a "lawful order".

Whether you believe the actions of the officer(s) crossed the line, or you believe their actions were warranted, there is one thing we should all agree on... If the man had simply complied with the officer and got out of his car when he was asked, his window wouldn't have been broken, there wouldn't have been a physical confrontation leading to him being medically treated, and assuming his paper work was good, he probably wouldn't have been arrested.

And said, "yes, mas'er!" and licked his boots along the way, right?

Why is it nobody is the least bit interested in preventing situations like this from coming to a head in the first place?
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Yes, cops do need more training on de-escalation and people's rights.

 

[Drowning Man]

In the case of the OP's video, there's probably not much that can be done.

They pulled him over for speeding (allegedly). It's hard to fight that kind of bullshit, even if completely unfounded, unless you're using a dash cam with GPS. Something I'd suggest, btw. And the place to fight that is in the court room.
It does no good to argue with them. Just hand over your documents, and shut the hell up.
It's legal for them to pull you from the car for "officer safety". So if they ask you to exit the vehicle, do so....and shut the hell up.
Don't answer their questions.
Film everything.

They pull this guy out and probably beat him up for fun while yelling, "stop resisting" to cover their asses. Unfortunately, they'll probably get away with that, too.

So, in short:
1. Shut the hell up.
2. Comply with lawful orders (exiting the vehicle on a traffic stop is a lawful order)
3. Shut the hell up.
4. Don't consent to searches or seizures.
5. Shut the hell up.
6. Film everything.
7. Shut the hell up.

 

[Drowning Man]

Funny how when you act like an asshole when dealing and interacting with Law Enforcement,, then the Police also act like assholes.
Thats quite a coincidence isnt it?
WHO KNEW?!?!?

Police don't get to act like assholes. They are public servants and their job is to de-escalate as much as possible, use only the amount of force required to fulfill their duties, and follow the law.

 

[Bodi]

If I ever went into the police station and was refused to be given a complaint form, the next place I'd be was the chief of police's office. If that didn't work, I'd be in the mayor's office. Now, I am a tax paying guy who supports the local cops, so I fully expect to be heard by the police chief and mayor. I'm not giving the police the right to abuse citizens, I'm saying that you should go about complaining the correct way. Trying to fight a cop at the scene (either verbally or physically) isn't the correct way to deal with a bad cop. Waiting until after the incident and speaking to his/her superiors is the correct way.

Let's say I did all that and I didn't get satisfaction. I would then start to tell all my friends about it and ask that they vote against the mayor or chief of police. I would make a stink until I got someone's attention. But at this point, you have to go after the guy who is elected. They WILL listen if you know what you are doing. Try standing outside the mayor's office with a sign that the police are becoming a problem, and do it during rush hour traffic. See how long it takes for someone to come to you to see what the problem is.

Fight smart.

If the cop intimidated you or escalated things during the first incident or even arrested you... how many more times would you be trying to make a complaint?

 

[Drowning Man]

If the officer is out of line, simply ask for badge number and name. They will give it you; but be polite, not demanding.

Not necessarily. Many cops will refuse to give their names or badge numbers. Even if it goes against their policy.

Remember that there is a very good chance this is all being filmed; if you look calm and polite, things will look better for you in the long run.

Don't count on the chance that it's filmed. If it comes down to your word against the police, the police will win every time.
The police may film, but even if they do, don't count on it. They have certainly been known to "lose" the footage, edit it, or simply refuse to give the footage that they take to anyone requesting it.
MAKE it happen that the interaction is being filmed. Film it yourself.
You don't have to be polite (in fact, I suggest that you don't be), but be respectful and calm. The POLITE thing to do is to answer their questions. Don't do that. But you can respectfully say, "Sir, I invoke and refuse to waive my 5th Amendment right to remain silent" and "Sir, I invoke and refuse to waive my 4th Amendment right to be free of searches and seizures".

Take the appropriate steps to report what you feel is wrong and why the officer was wrong to do what he did.

Those appropriate steps may include, but are not limited to: filing a complaint, filing a lawsuit, releasing the footage to social media or corporate media.

But do not act like an idiot. If no other reason than it will not help your cause in any way shape or form.

I'll agree with you...but then, I think there is a complete double-standard. I mean...how "polite" would you be if someone is pointing a gun at you...or sicking a dog on you... Everyone expects John Q. Public to act calm and collected, but if a cop panics and fires his gun at an innocent victim, somehow she is given a pass. Many of these bootlickers will try to justify the actions of the cops if they were "angry" or "dealing with an asshole" or "outraged" by the conduct of the perp or "frightened". That same pass never seems to extend to those who haven't been trained to deal with hostile situations...

However, if you are a sovereign citizen-type…then you kind of deserve being curb stomped for your stupidity alone….

Nope. I assume this is in jest... But even sovereign citizens have rights. Maybe not the rights that these idiots claim...but cops don't have extra rights when dealing with them.

 

[Lutherf]

If the cop intimidated you or escalated things during the first incident or even arrested you... how many more times would you be trying to make a complaint?

If the cop arrests you then you get to expose the abuse in court. Not only would you get out of the charges but it sets a precedent to turn around and sue the PD. Isn't that a better outcome than getting smacked in the head?

 

[Bodi]

if a cop wishes to be an asshole to you; let him. Here’s why:

if you simply comply and remain calm instead of challenging the officer, the odds of violence or property damaged goes down.

If the officer is out of line, simply ask for badge number and name. They will give it you; but be polite, not demanding.

Remember that there is a very good chance this is all being filmed; if you look calm and polite, things will look better for you in the long run.

Take the appropriate steps to report what you feel is wrong and why the officer was wrong to do what he did.

If nothing happens. Sue the ever-loving $&ck out of them. Make it public, involve the media.

But do not act like an idiot. If no other reason than it will not help your cause in any way shape or form.

However, if you are a sovereign citizen-type…then you kind of deserve being curb stomped for your stupidity alone….

Condoning murder, even if in jest, is pretty chicken shit.

 

[Bodi]

If the cop arrests you then you get to expose the abuse in court. Not only would you get out of the charges but it sets a precedent to turn around and sue the PD. Isn't that a better outcome than getting smacked in the head?

Oh, I thought that innocent people have been arrested and many have spent decades in prison.

 

[Drowning Man]

If the cop arrests you then you get to expose the abuse in court. Not only would you get out of the charges but it sets a precedent to turn around and sue the PD. Isn't that a better outcome than getting smacked in the head?

Assuming that you filmed it. If it's your word against an officer's, you'll lose.