Animal Rights

[David_N]

It has come to my attention that animal rights in this nation and around the world is being put to the sidelines, this thread is to discuss everything related to animal rights, opinions, current investigations, proposals..

To begin, it's painfully obvious the animal welfare act needs to be changed, NOW. Animals fall through, and are subjected to horrific experiments. Rats, mice.. The meat industry itself is horrific, wasting food, water, harming the environment.. It's pathetic how these animals are kept. If anything, we need to cut back on meat consumption dramatically, well, we'll have to eventually, the current industry isn't looking to sustainable.
The Problem With Factory Farming - Mercy For Animals

Factory Farming: Hell on Earth
Pigs, cows, chickens, fish, and other animals raised for food suffer miserably on modern farms. Animal cruelty laws that protect dogs and cats specifically exclude farmed animals from most protection. As a result, blatant abuse is now standard practice on farms both large and small.

^ The worst part of this is that cows, pigs, chickens.. they are all highly intelligent emotional animals subjected to unimaginable cruelty.

Farmed animals are crammed by the thousands into dark, waste-filled sheds. Many spend their entire lives locked in cages so small they can't turn around.

Animals have their tails cut off, teeth clipped out, and beaks and horns seared off with a hot metal blade. Males have their testicles cut off without anesthesia.

All of this happens to sentient, intelligent animals for virtually no reason, it's horrifying.

Workers often punch, kick, and whip sick and injured animals to move them around farm sheds.

This may not happen in all cases, but the amount it does is sickening enough.

Animals are artificially bred to grow so fat so quickly they often suffer crippling leg problems and heart attacks at just a few months of age.

The average life span of pigs/chickens/cows/etc outside of captivity is much longer then in captivity.. ^

Sick and injured animals are not given veterinary care. Instead they are left to slowly suffer to death on the floors of sheds.

As I pull this information, I am disgusted, but it's worthy of discussing.

Many animals are killed while still fully conscious. Common killing methods include slitting animals' throats and shooting metal rods through their brains.

Disturbing statistics:
8.5 BILLION farmed animals killed for food each year in the U.S.
200 MILLION unwanted male chicks killed by the U.S. egg industry each year.
0 federal laws protecting animals on factory farms..

 

[David_N]

Imagine spending your entire life constantly pregnant and locked in a cage so small you couldn’t even turn around. It’s the only life that Jenny ever knew.

We met Jenny in Oklahoma, where she lived on a pig farm owned by the Tyson Pork Group. Jenny was one of millions of “breeding sows”—mother pigs who are treated like breeding machines. When she was a young piglet, Jenny’s tail was sliced off and her teeth were clipped. She was then packed into a small, filthy concrete stall with dozens of other pigs until she was old enough to have her own babies. Sadly, that was the last time this curious, intelligent, and social girl would ever get to interact with other pigs.

Jenny was locked inside a “gestation crate,” a narrow metal solitary confinement cage that was so small Jenny couldn’t even turn around. The next three and a half years of Jenny’s life would be a cycle of artificial impregnation, birth to litters of piglets who were stolen from her, and artificial impregnation again. When we met Jenny, she was going crazy from the stress of confinement in her tiny stall with nothing to do. She repeatedly bit the metal bars in frustration, bellowed in anger, and even banged her head against the cage. The heartbreaking reality was that Jenny would never spend a day outside her stall until the day she was shipped off to be killed at age four.

The Problem With Factory Farming - Mercy For Animals
This is one of many heart breaking accounts of the horrors these animals endure.

 

[David_N]

Animal cruelty is the price we pay for cheap meat.. Well, if you eat meat. It's disgusting the way factory farmed meat is produced..

 

[David_N]

The humane society is actively working to advance public policy at the state/fed levels to protect animals..
Legislation : The Humane Society of the United States
Federal Legislation : The Humane Society of the United States

 

[Chomsky]

Animal Rights?

As the father of a late teen, and a just-out-of-the-teens twenty-something, I've continuously had to assert to my children that our house and our family is NOT a democracy. And this is coupled with the natural insurrection that my wife seems so good at, in causing additional commotion!

All-in-all, it's been a tough few years, but I've hung-on.

But now, if the damn dogs start giving me mouth and claiming their rights too - I may have reached my end, and I'll surely be done-for!

:shock: :shock: :shock:

 

[Chomsky]

Animal cruelty is the price we pay for cheap meat.. Well, if you eat meat. It's disgusting the way factory farmed meat is produced..

But on a more serious note - yeah I agree.

But what's the alternative?

I suppose, there's always the option to pay a higher price for meat produced using more humane conditions.

 

[TurtleDude]

But on a more serious note - yeah I agree.

But what's the alternative?

I suppose, there's always the option to pay a higher price for meat produced using more humane conditions.

buy a hunting bow, a shotgun and a fishing pole

two friends of mine -sadly no longer-(they distrusted doctors as much as corporate farms) only ate stuff they raised, trapped, fished or hunted themselves.

 

[Skeptic Bob]

buy a hunting bow, a shotgun and a fishing pole

two friends of mine -sadly no longer-(they distrusted doctors as much as corporate farms) only ate stuff they raised, trapped, fished or hunted themselves.

That's my dad. My father lives in Nome Alaska and he hunts and fishes for all of his protein. It is about as ethical as one can get with their food.

 

[David_N]

But on a more serious note - yeah I agree.

But what's the alternative?

I suppose, there's always the option to pay a higher price for meat produced using more humane conditions.

Cut back on meat consumption, encourage hunting and fishing, farming, hell, insects are looking like a viable alternative at this point..

 

[TurtleDude]

That's my dad. My father lives in Nome Alaska and he hunts and fishes for all of his protein. It is about as ethical as one can get with their food.

sadly, many animal rights nut cases who whine about corporate farms want to ban guns and hunting too and the PETAtards are against fishing as well

 

[TurtleDude]

Cut back on meat consumption, encourage hunting and fishing, farming, hell, insects are looking like a viable alternative at this point..

In a free society, you should do what you want

don't tell the rest of us how to live though

 

[Chomsky]

Cut back on meat consumption, encourage hunting and fishing, farming, hell, insects are looking like a viable alternative at this point..

I may like animals - but not enough to eat insects!

 

[Skeptic Bob]

sadly, many animal rights nut cases who whine about corporate farms want to ban guns and hunting too and the PETAtards are against fishing as well

I am a vegan, myself. I recognize that animals die even in providing my food. There is something called "till kill" in which small animals die from the farming equipment and displacement. Life for life someone who hunts for their food may end up killing fewer animals than die in providing me with my vegetables and grains.

I have a very negative view of factory farmed meat, but you will never hear me complain about hunters/fishers. They tend to be very good stuarts of the environment.

 

[Chomsky]

buy a hunting bow, a shotgun and a fishing pole

two friends of mine -sadly no longer-(they distrusted doctors as much as corporate farms) only ate stuff they raised, trapped, fished or hunted themselves.

I can respect that.

I remember being blown away way back in the '70's, when reading of Ted Nugent bowhunting to put food on the table as a single-father in Michigan.

But this assumes one has quite a bit free time (and inclination), as I see it.

 

[TurtleDude]

I am a vegan, myself. I recognize that animals die even in providing my food. There is something called "till kill" in which small animals die from the farming equipment and displacement. Life for life someone who hunts for their food may end up killing fewer animals than die in providing me with my vegetables and grains.

I have a very negative view of factory farmed meat, but you will never hear me complain about hunters/fishers. They tend to be very good stuarts of the environment.

some of our property is a 7 acre or so horse field where our five horses graze. a few weeks ago, my wife got out the big John Deere and the "brush hog" and knocked down the weeds in the field. the next day I came home and I saw a couple dozen or more vultures in flying over the horse field. I ran out thinking one of the horses had croaked only to see at least 15 vultures walking on the field. after getting some binoculars I noticed these birds were picking up large numbers of dead mice, voles, shrews and at least one small garter snake that apparently had been victimized by the cutting of the weeds. so agriculture is going go do that constantly as well

 

[Grand Mal]

buy a hunting bow, a shotgun and a fishing pole

Sound advice. Bonus points for learning to recognize mushrooms. We picked about 10 pounds of pines (matsutake) yesterday. Chantrelles should be showing up soon.

two friends of mine -sadly no longer-(they distrusted doctors as much as corporate farms) only ate stuff they raised, trapped, fished or hunted themselves.

Something to aspire to, but the best we can do is keep about a 25 mile radius on our diet. Mostly.

 

[TurtleDude]

Sound advice. Bonus points for learning to recognize mushrooms. We picked about 10 pounds of pines (matsutake) yesterday. Chantrelles should be showing up soon.



Something to aspire to, but the best we can do is keep about a 25 mile radius on our diet. Mostly.

I knew a couple of guys who loved mushrooms but I suspect nutrition was not their goal:mrgreen:

 

[David_N]

In a free society, you should do what you want

don't tell the rest of us how to live though

It's simply a suggestion, at current rates, meat production won't be sustainable in several decades, and the practices of factory farming are horrific. Proposals are put forth all the time to address the cruelty, but the meat industry will never let them pass. Well, I said encourage in my post, I don't want to make anyone do anything. But, from experience, once someone who eats veal sees the horrid process, they tend to stop eating veal..

 

[David_N]

I knew a couple of guys who loved mushrooms but I suspect nutrition was not their goal:mrgreen:

Why not have the best of both worlds? A two for one deal!

 

[David_N]

some of our property is a 7 acre or so horse field where our five horses graze. a few weeks ago, my wife got out the big John Deere and the "brush hog" and knocked down the weeds in the field. the next day I came home and I saw a couple dozen or more vultures in flying over the horse field. I ran out thinking one of the horses had croaked only to see at least 15 vultures walking on the field. after getting some binoculars I noticed these birds were picking up large numbers of dead mice, voles, shrews and at least one small garter snake that apparently had been victimized by the cutting of the weeds. so agriculture is going go do that constantly as well

There's no Doubt that agriculture kills small animals, but that's nowhere near comparable to the systemic cruelty and slaughtered of animals in a factory setting.

 

[David_N]

I am a vegan, myself. I recognize that animals die even in providing my food. There is something called "till kill" in which small animals die from the farming equipment and displacement. Life for life someone who hunts for their food may end up killing fewer animals than die in providing me with my vegetables and grains.

I have a very negative view of factory farmed meat, but you will never hear me complain about hunters/fishers. They tend to be very good stuarts of the environment.

Indeed, hunters and fisherman are a great asset, hell, I love fishing, the Ohio river, and there's a lake within walking distance if I ever feel the need to fish. Well, if someone hunts/fishes endangered species, I have a problem.. Or if they hunt baby deer/does..

 

[David_N]

sadly, many animal rights nut cases who whine about corporate farms want to ban guns and hunting too and the PETAtards are against fishing as well

The only animal rights "nut cases" I can think of are peta, and they're dieing off. I don't think the humane society/MFA want to ban guns.. They're almost always protesting factory farms. PETA is crazy though. I can see the argument against mass fishing, it's destroying animal populations, whales and such get caught in the nets and killed..

 

[TurtleDude]

Why not have the best of both worlds? A two for one deal!

admittedly it was back in my college days but as I recall, they often puked up whatever they had eaten in their quest for an alter-reality through "shrooming"

 

[David_N]

admittedly it was back in my college days but as I recall, they often puked up whatever they had eaten in their quest for an alter-reality through "shrooming"

I've always wondered what it's like to take shrooms, it must be surreal if people keep taking them for the discomfort they cause.

 

[Grand Mal]

I knew a couple of guys who loved mushrooms but I suspect nutrition was not their goal:mrgreen:

Heh! I remember a few hours spent crawling around in a cow pasture with a pocketful of baggies.