F107HyperSabr
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I hate to sound like a broken record, but it is a pet peave...please read the Breaking News rules:
At least Lady Katie was nice and did not scream or shout. But unfortunately she had no clue as to if or how the Contstitution could make health care reform "unconstitutional".
The fact that the Constition doesn't say Congress can regulate health care is what makes it unconstitutional.
Let me know when you find the words "regulate health care" in the constitution.
No, you're wrong, "general welfare" isn't it.
I hate to sound like a broken record, but it is a pet peave...please read the Breaking News rules:
I wanna see the part that makes punitive taxes leagal.
Which taxes are those, the taxes on people who have jobs, or just the taxes on people who get million dollar bonuses that upset Congressthings? The Rapist President got HIS congress to pass retroactive taxes in 1993, a clear violation of the Article 1, Section 9.
All of it. I wanna see what legal right the government has to impose anything beyond reasonable income and sales taxes, that aren't voted on in a public election.
The fact that the Constition doesn't say Congress can regulate health care is what makes it unconstitutional.
Let me know when you find the words "regulate health care" in the constitution.
No, you're wrong, "general welfare" isn't it.
I wanna see the part that makes punitive taxes leagal.
There are many things that we do and have done since the adoption of the Constitution that were not in the Constitution but just because they were not in the Constitution that does not make them "unconstitutional".
You want to discuss why health care was not in the Constitution well I will tell you. In the 18th century health care was herbs, home mecine, and for those few who happened to live near an APOTHOCARY maybe a few chemicals that few people actually knew how or why they may have worked.
Health care was not a major undertaking ( no pun intended) so why would the founding fathers put it into the Constitution.
You are aware that the Constitution provides absolutely no mechanism for public referenda, right?
The people never vote on issues.
Let us discuss what Nice Lady Katie read to The Senator Mr. Spector: "This is about the systematic dismantling of this country…you have awakened a sleeping giant," a woman named Katy Abram said to Specter, reading from a prepared statement. "
Lady Katie read this statement and she was emotional and nice about it. She said that everyone in the room agrred with her. Now Katie Abram was on HARDBALL with the last hour and 1/2 and she was nicely asked about what she meant by this statement that she read and she could not explain herself.
So we the great forumites of DP can now speculate as to what she meant.
We can has that she meant this or that or this and that, or maybe that and this.
I think that she may actually believe that the government is making economic policies that she does not think it should. The problem is that I wonder if she really knows why. Now I am not saying that she is any more un-informed than anyone else but she did go to the townhall and read a staement that accused Sen Spector of "systematic dismantling of this country" and if she the Nice Lady says something like that they need to be ready willing and able to al least try to explain it.
That is the flip side of free speech. It may not be a requirement of free speech but it sure as heck would go a long way to sustain your credibility.
I do not expect Katie Abram to expound like a talking head but a hint of what and why you are saying what you are would be nice.
the problem is that your term 'punitive taxes " is subjective. You would have had a leg to possibly stand upon if the Constitution had forbade taxes.
It does not forbid taxes. Some people may decide that any and all taxes are punitive. So what!! If taxes are not forbidden you can call taxes punitive, bad, socilaist, communist, nazist, what ever label you want but if they are not prohibited you lose!!
Actually, that's exactly what it means.
Welcome to a place where people use words correctly.
Try doing it.
So you admit that they had medicine in the 18th century. that's a start.
Are you aware that the people that wrote the Constitution had access to this medical care?
Good for you.
Are you aware that not one of them expected their neighbors to pay for their own medical care?
Probably not.
Are you aware that not one of them expected to be forced to pay for anyone else's medical care?
Probably not.
Are you aware that they expected the people to pay for their own damn medical care, and if they didn't they could die, and that was that?
Well, welcome to the real world.
The nonsense of socialised medicine wasn't included in the Constitution because it's wrong.
Just in case you didn't notice Constitution has a mechanism to correct oversights the original framers made. It's called the Amendment process.
Y'all want to wreck the country by nationalizing health care? Fine, don't claim it's Constitutional until you get a friggin' amendment ratified.
Why would they indeed, when they were trying to craft a document to preserve liberty, not destroy it?
Ok, let's discuss Miss Kaite. She's a great American who has seen through all of the Libbos's BS. God bless her!
Believe it, or not, an American citizen doesn't have to be a constitutional scholar to call, "BS", when they see the government doing something wrong.
However, it does say that it's a, "Government of the people, by the people and for the people". IMO, that implies public referenda.
No it's not. When a president promises that he's going to make the haves give to the have nots and imposes taxes to do just that, then those are punitive taxes.
The taxes that have been imposed on energy companies and on the citizenry for health care are, indeed, punitive taxes. Remember when PBO talked about all that, "economic justice"???
However, it does say that it's a, "Government of the people, by the people and for the people". IMO, that implies public referenda.
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