AND YOU WANT MY GUNS???

[Daddyo]

just stop

posts like this are so ridiculous

Just stop the 50 liberal riots!

 

[Rich2018]

Still deliberately missing the point. Other countries with stronger gun control still have high suicide rates.

Still unable to comprehend the written word huh ?

I said in post#4635:
"Guns don't make people suicidal...but the absence of guns does would make difference in two ways"

You are concerned with a narrow viewpoint of only your opinion while ignoring the greater motivators in suicide and its prevention.

Nope, I said that guns don't make people suicidal. But when people ***DO*** decide to commit suicides, the presence of guns increases the proportion of suicide attempts that are successful.

Try again.

Frankly, you are using suicide as a tool to get to your political goal of gun control, which is pretty disgusting.

Nope, what's disgusting is your ambivalence towards people attempting suicide

They deserve a lot more attention and sympathy than gun lovers like you are willing to give them, all so you can deny that your guns are not a problem
It's both pathetic as well as repugnant

In this instance, please don't even attempt to try again.

 

[Daddyo]

It is not being belittled because it is a spread sheet. It is being belittled because it is irrelevant until a connection can be made between rising guns numbers and falling crime. So far no connection and no real evidence crime is decreasing.

You said more guns equal more gun murder. Did you provide anything other than numbers? No you didn't. You simply had figures that even counted suicide.

Now you are given evidence of many millions more guns entering circulation and gun murder goes down. Simply not possible for that to happen AND you be right. Pretty sad you are unable to comprehend this! Pathetic actually.

 

[noonereal]

Just stop the 50 liberal riots!

My position on the assholes who took to the streets two years ago, across the country is likely far more unforgiving than your.

This however has nothing to do with trumps attempt to overthrow the election.

Two wrongs don't make a right. You should have learned this in grade school.

 

[noonereal]

You said more guns equal more gun murder. Did you provide anything other than numbers? No you didn't. You simply had figures that even counted suicide.

Now you are given evidence of many millions more guns entering circulation and gun murder goes down. Simply not possible for that to happen AND you be right. Pretty sad you are unable to comprehend this! Pathetic actually.

Why would we not count all the slaughter?

Why do you only want to count one kind of gun slaughter?

You are transparent.

 

[Rich2018]

You said more guns equal more gun murder. Did you provide anything other than numbers? No you didn't. You simply had figures that even counted suicide.

Now you are given evidence of many millions more guns entering circulation and gun murder goes down. Simply not possible for that to happen AND you be right. Pretty sad you are unable to comprehend this! Pathetic actually.

Guns don't cause violent crime - although most mass shootings probably wouldn't happen without guns (ie: the shooters would not probably attempt mass murder with another weapon type)

Poverty is the root cause of most crime, including violent crime. What guns do, is make the consequences worse.

 

[osinneins]

Poverty is the root cause of most crime, including violent crime.

If on there was a way to convince the poors to get themselves out of poverty they wouldn't have to get guns to commit crimes. We give them ALOT of money here in America to sit around and be poor on. Maybe if we didn't treat the poor people so well here they'd get off the couch and get a job instead of crime.

The people who are hurt most by poor-people gun crime are the honest law-abiding gun owners in America. If the poor people in the ghettos weren't so busy shooting each other over drug deals we wouldn't hear as much complaint from the Left about "too many guns".

 

[Rich2018]

If on there was a way to convince the poors to get themselves out of poverty they wouldn't have to get guns to commit crimes.

Got any ideas ?

The Democrat party have a few policies they want to try, but the Republicans haven't had any policies to redistribute wealth since the flawed "Trickle Down Economics" in the '80's.

We give them ALOT of money here in America to sit around and be poor on. Maybe if we didn't treat the poor people so well here they'd get off the couch and get a job instead of crime.

Yeah, let's cut their income, that'll work !!!

The people who are hurt most by poor-people gun crime are the honest law-abiding gun owners in America. If the poor people in the ghettos weren't so busy shooting each other over drug deals we wouldn't hear as much complaint from the Left about "too many guns".

So the ones hurt the most by gun crime are the "honest law-abiding gun owners", yet the poor are so busy "shooting each other"
So which is it ?
Make up you mind and try again.

 

[OpportunityCost]

Still unable to comprehend the written word huh ?

I said in post#4635:
"Guns don't make people suicidal...but the absence of guns does would make difference in two ways"



Nope, I said that guns don't make people suicidal. But when people ***DO*** decide to commit suicides, the presence of guns increases the proportion of suicide attempts that are successful.

Try again.



Nope, what's disgusting is your ambivalence towards people attempting suicide

They deserve a lot more attention and sympathy than gun lovers like you are willing to give them, all so you can deny that your guns are not a problem
It's both pathetic as well as repugnant

In this instance, please don't even attempt to try again.

Guns do not motivate suicide. You are using suicides to fuel your antipathy to firearms to push for more gun control.

 

[Daddyo]

One day the scary monster will rise from under the bed as well. Another scary story to make me feel; like I need a gun because america is a scary place.
Is there any other argument you can make that does not require you to wear brown pants.

You carry automobile insurance? Expecting a collision? Or are you being prudent and cautious?

Don't need scary stories for you to recognize the need for car insurance do you? I have plenty of them if you do BTW.

You probably don't need the stories of people being bankrupt by medical bills for not having health insurance to know you should have it.

Yet I can give you story upon story of people like you being robbed, raped, brutally beaten, and even murdered and you think it's a freaking joke. You think it's propaganda.

29,000 collisions and 219 fatalities in car wrecks in Hillsborough county 2019.

There were 3600 violent crimes and 66 murders in 2019 in Hillsborough county.

You would never question someone carrying insurance would you? Yet in a mere 10 years you have a better chance of being murdered or attacked than being killed or involved in a wreck in a years worth of driving.

Only a fool would make fun of folks who have decided to carry insurance for crime AKA a gun. When karma calls remember us. We will of course be screaming we told you so.

 

[H B Lowrey]

Just stop the 50 liberal riots!

Shoot 'em up cowboy.

 

[H B Lowrey]

You carry automobile insurance? Expecting a collision? Or are you being prudent and cautious?

Don't need scary stories for you to recognize the need for car insurance do you? I have plenty of them if you do BTW.

You probably don't need the stories of people being bankrupt by medical bills for not having health insurance to know you should have it.

Yet I can give you story upon story of people like you being robbed, raped, brutally beaten, and even murdered and you think it's a freaking joke. You think it's propaganda.

29,000 collisions and 219 fatalities in car wrecks in Hillsborough county 2019.

There were 3600 violent crimes and 66 murders in 2019 in Hillsborough county.

You would never question someone carrying insurance would you? Yet in a mere 10 years you have a better chance of being murdered or attacked than being killed or involved in a wreck in a years worth of driving.

Only a fool would make fun of folks who have decided to carry insurance for crime AKA a gun. When karma calls remember us. We will of course be screaming we told you so.

"You carry automobile insurance? Expecting a collision? Or are you being prudent and cautious?"

It's forced upon on us via "the law".

The reason whites like you in america are afraid harkens back to the founding, how euro colonizers came by this land mass, and the nature by which america generated its seed wealth.

 

[vegas giants]

"Swiss citizens - for example hunters, or those who shoot as a sport - can get a permit to buy guns and ammunition, unless they have a criminal record, or police deem them unsuitable on psychiatric or security grounds."

They have ammo. Stop the story telling.

Not for the weapons issued by the military

 

[vegas giants]

"Swiss citizens - for example hunters, or those who shoot as a sport - can get a permit to buy guns and ammunition, unless they have a criminal record, or police deem them unsuitable on psychiatric or security grounds."

They have ammo. Stop the story telling.

You want people in America to have to get a permit to buy ammo??????

 

[osinneins]

Got any ideas ?

The Democrat party have a few policies they want to try, but the Republicans haven't had any policies to redistribute wealth since the flawed "Trickle Down Economics" in the '80's.

You have to give Trickle Down some time! We've just been getting to the point where, if we give the job creators a BIT more leverage and money they will break through and provide alot of the jobs that America needs.

Poor people do NOT make jobs.

Yeah, let's cut their income, that'll work !!!

Sometimes tough love is the only answer.

So the ones hurt the most by gun crime are the "honest law-abiding gun owners", yet the poor are so busy "shooting each other"

The poor apparently want that. The honest law-abiding gun owners do NOT.

 

[Rucker61]

Why would we not count all the slaughter?

Why do you only want to count one kind of gun slaughter?

You are transparent.

I've already pointed out that with an increase of 270 million guns from 1986 to 2019 that:

1. The homicide rate fell
2. The unintentional firearm death rate fell
3. That while the firearm suicide rate increased, the non-firearm suicide rate increased at a rate six times that of firearm suicide rate, meaning that something else besides an increase in the number of guns was the driver for a huge increase in the suicide rate.

The numbers show that the increase in the number of guns wasn't positively correlated with either the homicide rate or the unintentional firearm death rate and wasn't a factor in the increase of the suicide rate.

 

[rahl]

From 1985 to 2018 the number of of gun owners has went down from 30.5% to 21.9%. The number of households reporting guns in the home also went down from 44.2% to 334.3%. View attachment 67366985
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Gun ownership in the U.S. 1972-2021
Published by Statista Research Department, Dec 1, 2021
The share of American households owning at least one firearm has remained relatively steady since 1972, hovering between 37 percent and 47 percent. In 2021, about 42 percent of U.S. households had at least one gun in their possession.

It is impossible to determine the number of gun owners.

 

[Rich2018]

You have to give Trickle Down some time! We've just been getting to the point where, if we give the job creators a BIT more leverage and money they will break through and provide alot of the jobs that America needs.

Well it was about 50 years ago - how much time do these economics take to do their "trickling" ?

I think most people alive 50 years ago are probably dead now.

Poor people do NOT make jobs.

No. Probably because their access to land and capital are somewhat limited
They tend to do the labor part though.

Sometimes tough love is the only answer.

Didn't you just say:

Poor people do NOT make jobs.

So how are they going to "make" them by being even poorer ?

The poor apparently want that. The honest law-abiding gun owners do NOT.

Really, please can you give examples of "poor" victims of gun crime, who actually desired to be so

Your assertion is at best ridiculous, and at worst offensive.

 

[Daddyo]

Not a goal post move, just pointing out the stats which prove there are fewer gun owning households these days which begs the question where did all those extra guns go? Do you know where all those extra manufactured guns went? I know!

As less guns were added did murder go down?

Bottom line is you've got no intelligent claim, argument, or line of reasoning to disprove the Harvard research.

"Before some audiences not even the possession of the exactest knowledge will make it easy for what we say to produce conviction. For argument based on knowledge implies instruction, and there are people whom one cannot instruct." from Aristotle's Rhetoric

Did you care about the number of households having guns when you made the initial statement? Did you say more households with guns equals more gun murder? NO YOU DIDN'T.

Thus it doesn't matter where the guns are. They were added and gun murder did go down. The statement was incorrect.


I already posted evidence that only a tiny portion of the 200 million are crossing the Mexican border. So those guns are here and they are just not being reported properly. You think a felon is gonna admit to having a gun in the home? How about gun nutters who are afraid of registration? I never tell anyone except LE and then only if it's required.

You did move the goal posts but it doesn't matter. More guns doesn't equal more gun murder.

 

[Daddyo]

I see a claim.....just no evidence

Perfect example was already given to a work around of the law by a liberal prosecutor. My San Francisco shoplifting example. You just choose to ignore it and as normal never research anything for yourself. I'm not wasting time educating you.......as you said you don't care.

I just slapped another rebuttal of yours down. Conservative states are misrepresented by the few liberal shitholes that skew the figures to the negative. Showed you how it's done. Gave you a prime example that's currently in the headlines. That falling ball of fire is your moronic argument going down in flames.

You lose yet again.

 

[Daddyo]

My position on the assholes who took to the streets two years ago, across the country is likely far more unforgiving than your.

This however has nothing to do with trumps attempt to overthrow the election.

Two wrongs don't make a right. You should have learned this in grade school.

You could never be tougher than me on rioting pieces of crap. That's point number 1.

Just because you hate Trump and have TDS doesn't make him guilty of conspiring with the rioters on Jan 6th.

It requires proof........as YOU should have learned in grade school! So what do you have for proof?

Trump asks Pelosi if she required national guard troops or anything else for WH security as chatter said their could be trouble. Pelosi declined the offer.

Trump specifically tells his supporters to peacefully protest the stolen election.....
"I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.".......but you likely didn't even know this. How else can you make your claim of conspiracy when the man said what he wanted from his supporters? The answer is you can't.

You have been played like a puppet for 4 years. Your puppetmasters filling you with lies like Russian collision and eukrain quid pro quo's.

There was plenty of legitimate concern that the election was stolen in key states. In Pennsylvania for example 12/2020....
"A comparison of official county election results to the total number of voters who voted on November 3, 2020 as recorded by the Department of State shows that 6,962,607 total ballots were reported as being cast, while DoS/SURE system records indicate that only 6,760,230 total voters actually voted. Among the 6,962,607 total ballots cast, 6,931,060 total votes were counted in the presidential race, including all three candidates on the ballot and write-in candidates.

The difference of 202,377 more votes cast than voters voting, together with the 31,547 over- and under-votes in the presidential race, adds up to an alarming discrepancy of 170,830 votes, which is more than twice the reported statewide difference between the two major candidates for President of the United States. On November 24, 2020, Boockvar certified election results, and Wolf issued a certificate of ascertainment of presidential electors, stating that Vice President Joe Biden received 80,555 more votes than President Donald Trump."

Just one example. Whether or not it has been explained away, it was a legitimate concern then.

 

[Daddyo]

Why would we not count all the slaughter?

Why do you only want to count one kind of gun slaughter?

You are transparent.

You don't slaughter yourself. You don't slaughter yourself accidentally. Police don't slaughter those they are forced to use deadly force on.

You don't blame the rope for the suicide by hanging.

Before you claim rope aren't made for killing just change it to knives. You don't blame knives for the slit wrists. They are made for killing.

I'm logical. Transparency would be pointing out that you support the murder of millions of innocent kids via abortion and don't care!

 

[Daddyo]

"You carry automobile insurance? Expecting a collision? Or are you being prudent and cautious?"

It's forced upon on us via "the law".

The reason whites like you in america are afraid harkens back to the founding, how euro colonizers came by this land mass, and the nature by which america generated its seed wealth.

That race card might work if I was White. I'm Puerto Rican and Cuban. Sorry to ruin your attempt to play that race card.

 

[Daddyo]

Not for the weapons issued by the military

Issued by the military to the militia! 25 percent of private citizens own guns and can get ammo.....with a permit.

 

[Daddyo]

You want people in America to have to get a permit to buy ammo??????

Nope I just wanted to prove your claim that more guns equals more gun murder was false. Which this did with ease.