AND YOU WANT MY GUNS???

[Patriotic Voter]

It's kind of like drugs .. would it solve problems or create more problems?

Guns only cause problems, not solve them, except in extremely rare cases like Ashli Babbitt. Gun rights advocates, ironically, call that one "murder" and blame the cop, not the "victim" whose death was justified according to Attorney General Merrick Garland and most other people. How is it possible for people to think a justified shooting death is murder, but downplay every single second degree murder as self defense?

 

[Rucker61]

They never overturned that the commerce clause covers inter and intrastate commerce or over a dozen laws would need to change.


You just dont understand the ruling

In 1934, there had been no SCOTUS decisions where the federal government had defended a federal law infringing the the right of the People to keep and bear arms. SCOTUS in Cruikshank had noted "The right to bear arms is not granted by the Constitution; neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence" and limited the applicability of the Second Amendment to the federal government. Regardless of the ability of the states to regulate firearms, SCOTUS had affirmed that the federal government had no Constitutional authority to do so.

But in McCulloch v Maryland (1819), Chief Justice Marshall insisted that "should Congress, under the pretext of executing its powers, pass laws for the accomplishment of objects not entrusted to the government; it would become the painful duty of this tribunal . . . to say that such an act was not the law of the land." In United States v Darby, however, Justice Stone wrote: "Whatever their motive and purpose, regulations of commerce which do not infringe some constitutional prohibition are within the plenary power conferred on Congress by the Commerce Clause."

The Commerce Clause is not a Constitutional tool to regulate the individual right to keep and bear arms.

 

[Patriotic Voter]

If SELLERS know that THEY could face prosecution we would remove a primary source for guns in the hands of the prohibited.

That is why firearm sellers are required to have licenses.

 

[Rucker61]

No-one wants to tread on your rights, merely remove the one about bearing and keeping arms.

You've noted that you wish to repeal the entire Bill of Rights.

How is gun control not rational ?

If it violates the Constitution, it isn't rational. If it isn't enforceable or effective, it isn't rational.

In HR.8, the current "universal" background check bill, the law states:
Give a gun to your brother, no background check needed.
Loan a gun to your brother, no background check needed.
Sell a gun to your bother, it's a crime if there isn't a background check.
Can you point out the "rational" part?

Under HR.8, the current "universal" background check bill, the law state that as long as someone has a hunting or fishing licenses, and the loaner has no reason to suspect that the loanee is a prohibited person, the loaner can loan any firearm to that loanee without a background check for any length of time.
Can you point out the "rational" part?

When it is in almost if not all other democracies on Earth. How is such an superior belief not self-righteous and arrogant ?

It might be. You should return to a rational place, post haste, then you won't have to worry about it.

 

[Rucker61]

Guns only cause problems

Every gun causes problems? Using a shotgun to shoot a pheasant causes a problem rather than solving the problem of how to get that pheasant to the dinner table?

 

[vegas giants]

In 1934, there had been no SCOTUS decisions where the federal government had defended a federal law infringing the the right of the People to keep and bear arms. SCOTUS in Cruikshank had noted "The right to bear arms is not granted by the Constitution; neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence" and limited the applicability of the Second Amendment to the federal government. Regardless of the ability of the states to regulate firearms, SCOTUS had affirmed that the federal government had no Constitutional authority to do so.

But in McCulloch v Maryland (1819), Chief Justice Marshall insisted that "should Congress, under the pretext of executing its powers, pass laws for the accomplishment of objects not entrusted to the government; it would become the painful duty of this tribunal . . . to say that such an act was not the law of the land." In United States v Darby, however, Justice Stone wrote: "Whatever their motive and purpose, regulations of commerce which do not infringe some constitutional prohibition are within the plenary power conferred on Congress by the Commerce Clause."

The Commerce Clause is not a Constitutional tool to regulate the individual right to keep and bear arms.

Your opinion is noted and dismissed. Federal gun control has existed for a very long time without being over turned....and it will not be overturned any time soon

 

[Rich2018]

Every gun causes problems? Using a shotgun to shoot a pheasant causes a problem rather than solving the problem of how to get that pheasant to the dinner table?

He should've said "every gun has the potential to cause problems".

 

[Patriotic Voter]

Or a proper interpretation of the 2nd.

I have said multiple times before the Second Amendment was badly written. All I remember my government teacher saying was people misquoting it annoys her. Well, how many people can even remember the first half when all gun rights advocates want to say is the second half?

 

[Patriotic Voter]

Every gun causes problems? Using a shotgun to shoot a pheasant causes a problem rather than solving the problem of how to get that pheasant to the dinner table?

When the Bill of Rights was written, people needed to hunt for food. Now all they need is a trip to the grocery store. It is never humane to shoot animals unless they are going to kill or severely injure you.

 

[calamity]

Every gun causes problems? Using a shotgun to shoot a pheasant causes a problem rather than solving the problem of how to get that pheasant to the dinner table?

Thanks to the flood of guns the NRA nuts pushed onto the streets, it is now easier to find a gun in the hood than a vial of crack.

Winning, amirite?

 

[Rucker61]

I have said multiple times before the Second Amendment was badly written. All I remember my government teacher saying was people misquoting it annoys her. Well, how many people can even remember the first half when all gun rights advocates want to say is the second half?

Because the right to keep and bear arms was recognized as an individual right since 1776.

Congress was given the power regulate the militia in Article One, Section Eight, Clause Sixteen of the Constitution. Nowhere was the government given any power to regulate the arms of the People.

The Bill of Rights doesn't define the rights nor does it increase the authority of the government. It simply restricts the power of government.

 

[smallvoice]

No, "liberals want our guns" is just rhetoric the NRA keep pimping.

What was it that Beto was talking about. He's the voice of the liberals, isn't he? I didn't think he was NRA.

 

[vegas giants]

Because the right to keep and bear arms was recognized as an individual right since 1776.

Congress was given the power regulate the militia in Article One, Section Eight, Clause Sixteen of the Constitution. Nowhere was the government given any power to regulate the arms of the People.

The Bill of Rights doesn't define the rights nor does it increase the authority of the government. It simply restricts the power of government.

Commerce clause

 

[mar_cline]

Weird. I would have thought you would know that our prisons are overcrowded. Obviously, we don't have enough prisons. We aren't tough on crime but you go ahead and keep ignoring that we are going soft on felons who used guns for their crimes. Taking guns away from the general population, who are law-abiding does nothing to reduce violence.

MSN

America has the highest rate of prisoners per capita.

If you answer is "more prisons" perhaps you have failed to appreciate the actual problem and are seeking the most simplistic answers.

 

[smallvoice]

Weird.. They seem to also support strict voter registration requirements..

No, they should provide ID when they purchase a gun, when they present themselves to vote, when they fly...
where did anyone say differently? And who are they?

 

[natman]

LOL, the plain English is that guns are for the militia

OK, explain exactly and in detail how this "plain English" works.

 

[BlueTex]

No, they should provide ID when they purchase a gun, when they present themselves to vote, when they fly...
where did anyone say differently? And who are they?

Ummm.. We REGISTER every voter...

 

[mar_cline]

But practically correct.

What is "practically correct" and how is it different from plain ol' wrong?

Since the ratification of the Bill of Rights, there has been a net 15 Amendments. It's been attempted over 11,000 times.

It has been amended. It is explicitly allowed in the Constitution ergo it is possible and it has been done.

The original point that it is not possible in the Constitution to enact gun bans is technically (and absolutely) incorrect.

Just accept that you are wrong.

 

[smallvoice]

America has the highest rate of prisoners per capita.

If you answer is "more prisons" perhaps you have failed to appreciate the actual problem and are seeking the most simplistic answers.

Please tell us what YOU think is the actual problem. I'm sure your explanation will resolve our failure to appreciate the actual problem AND provide a rational solution.

 

[mar_cline]

OK, explain exactly and in detail how this "plain English" works.

It usually doesn't require a SCOTUS decision to clarify it.

Plain English is the bane of all those who love the Second Amendment since the 2A is hardly written clearly.

 

[mar_cline]

Please tell us what YOU think is the actual problem.

Systemic racism.

I'm sure your explanation will resolve our failure to appreciate the actual problem AND provide a rational solution.

Glad I could help!

 

[smallvoice]

Ummm.. We REGISTER every voter...

That's what I thought, too. So the issue then, is checking them off the registry when they vote to ascertain that they get to cast their ballot.

 

[vegas giants]

That's what I thought, too. So the issue then, is checking them off the registry when they vote to ascertain that they get to cast their ballot.

Should we do that for guns?

 

[smallvoice]

Systemic racism.



Glad I could help!

That has nothing to do with it, but at least you got to state your opinion.

 

[Rucker61]

When the Bill of Rights was written, people needed to hunt for food. Now all they need is a trip to the grocery store. It is never humane to shoot animals unless they are going to kill or severely injure you.

Every developed country allows hunting.

There are no hospices in the wilderness. No natural death is a good, easy death