disneydude
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Analysis: Liberals tired of health care compromise - Yahoo! News
Liberal activists say there's no point in the Democrats winning the House, Senate and White House unless they use their clout to enact the major measures that Obama campaigned for — with or without some Republican support (Absolutely!)
"It is clear that Republicans have decided 'no health care' is a victory for them," Andy Stern, president of the Service Employees International Union, said in an interview. "There is a point at which bipartisanship reaches a limit, and I would say it's reaching that limit (DUH!)
Grassley told an Iowa crowd he would not support a plan that "determines when you're going to pull the plug on Grandma." The remark echoed conservative activists who wrongly claim a House health care bill would require Medicare recipients to discuss their end-of-life plans with doctors.
For liberals supporting far-reaching changes to the nation's health care system, it was another sign that months of negotiations have been a one-way street. It's time to move on without Republicans (They're starting to get it).
There's absolutely no point in trying to negotiate with the "party of no". They have made it clear that they are going to oppose anything Obama proposes.....so screw them.
Obama needs to realize that having a few Republicans on board to make him "look better" is less a priority that getting meaningful healthcare reform passed.
The Democrats can do this without 1 Republican vote. Its time for the Democrats to grow a spine and get to work.
Yeah, there's just one problem in that not all Democrats are as far left as the leaders of the Democratic party. As such, they are concerned about things like a balanced budget and what the people really want.
Furthermore, if you guys decide to pass this without any Republicans, then the public will only have your party to blame. Something tells me that that, rather than the image of bipartisanship, is what Obama is concerned about.
AMEN!
Analysis: Liberals tired of health care compromise - Yahoo! News
Liberal activists say there's no point in the Democrats winning the House, Senate and White House unless they use their clout to enact the major measures that Obama campaigned for — with or without some Republican support (Absolutely!)
"It is clear that Republicans have decided 'no health care' is a victory for them," Andy Stern, president of the Service Employees International Union, said in an interview. "There is a point at which bipartisanship reaches a limit, and I would say it's reaching that limit (DUH!)
Grassley told an Iowa crowd he would not support a plan that "determines when you're going to pull the plug on Grandma." The remark echoed conservative activists who wrongly claim a House health care bill would require Medicare recipients to discuss their end-of-life plans with doctors.
For liberals supporting far-reaching changes to the nation's health care system, it was another sign that months of negotiations have been a one-way street. It's time to move on without Republicans (They're starting to get it).
There's absolutely no point in trying to negotiate with the "party of no". They have made it clear that they are going to oppose anything Obama proposes.....so screw them.
Obama needs to realize that having a few Republicans on board to make him "look better" is less a priority that getting meaningful healthcare reform passed.
The Democrats can do this without 1 Republican vote. Its time for the Democrats to grow a spine and get to work.
As pointed out by others here, it's not just the Republicans who are holding this up. As it is, you have nobody but your own party to blame.
Furthermore, if you guys decide to pass this without any Republicans, then the public will only have your party to blame. Something tells me that that, rather than the image of bipartisanship, is what Obama is concerned about.
As pointed out by others here, it's not just the Republicans who are holding this up. As it is, you have nobody but your own party to blame.
Furthermore, if you guys decide to pass this without any Republicans, then the public will only have your party to blame. Something tells me that that, rather than the image of bipartisanship, is what Obama is concerned about.
Actually, I don't think most people will care in a few months if a bill is passed without Republican support because the bill won't affect most people. The Democrats stand far more to lose if they fail to pass anything than if they pass a bill with little to no Republican support.
You are right though, the Democratic party has only itself to blame if it cant get something passed. If they are smart, they will take what they can get, pass something, and then claim victory.
The impact on the budget will certainly affect everyone, and depending on the final shape of the bill, the rest of it may as well.
I agree that the dems will lose out among their party if they fail to pass anything, but if they pass a Dem-only bill that ends up being viewed as a failure, then they can't resort to "well it was bipartisan" like the Reps did with things like Patriot Act, etc.
What happens if they pass legitimate healthcare reform without a single GOP vote and it actually succeeds?
The impact on the budget will certainly affect everyone, and depending on the final shape of the bill, the rest of it may as well.
I agree that the dems will lose out among their party if they fail to pass anything, but if they pass a Dem-only bill that ends up being viewed as a failure, then they can't resort to "well it was bipartisan" like the Reps did with things like Patriot Act, etc.
What happens if they pass legitimate healthcare reform without a single GOP vote and it actually succeeds?
The thing is, as both Reagan and Bush proved, no one loses elections due to big deficits.
Except that they've never been THAT big before.
Yep,,, I agree. Let the Liberals stand up, and try to pass a Bill that steals from everyone,,, and 'Empowers" the Govt. to control your every move.:lol:
What better way to expose the "Brain-Dead"? :lol: By all means, Vote.:roll:
Yep,,, I agree. Let the Liberals stand up, and try to pass a Bill that steals from everyone,,, and 'Empowers" the Govt. to control your every move.:lol:
What better way to expose the "Brain-Dead"? :lol: By all means, Vote.:roll:
What happens if they pass legitimate healthcare reform without a single GOP vote and it actually succeeds?
This is a lesson that the Dems really need to take from the GOP. Sometimes going it alone is the bravest and the smartest political move.
The GOP has put all their eggs in one basket. They didn't have many eggs to begin with. This could be the end of the GOP if it succeeds. That's why they are so desperate to try to stop it.
Kyl: Concessions won't win over GOP
The Senate Republican whip, speaking to reporters on a conference call from his home state of Arizona, said that even if the Democrats do away with a government-run insurance option, the GOP most likely won't support the bill that's being written in the Senate.
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Sen. Chuck Grassley, a key Republican negotiator, has suggested that a bill that fails to win over most of his colleagues probably won't win his support either.
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...Kyl said that a revenue-neutral bill probably won't get much GOP support either.
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On the nonprofit insurance cooperatives...Kyl said it was a "Trojan horse."
Kyl: Concessions won't win over GOP - Glenn Thrush - POLITICO.com
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