Ammunition in Kirk Shooting Engraved With Transgender, Antifascist Ideology: Sources

[trixare4kids]

Nope.

Turn the Faux off.

ANTIFA is not a thing.

More reich-wing lies.

Stop lying.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

So I was surprised to see the markings listed as "engravings" as if they were carved into the round.

Then I saw that the initial reaction that the engravings were "trans" was apparently because they contained " a series of arrows".

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Im not trans, but I have a few trans friends and was surprised by this as Im not familiar with any prominent trans symbols in the form of arrows.

And then somebody on Twitter pointed out they might have mistaken the manufacturing engravings.

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Interesting. Was this whole story about "Trans" markings on the ammo just bullshit then?

 

[trixare4kids]

I'm a former Republican. I'm now a moderate Democrat. I go to a lot of political functions. What you're writing is not true. You're spreading falsehoods

No, I am telling you how I see it. Many argue using fallacy, emotions instead of facts a lot of the time when trying to persuade others to see it their way. Example: How many times have overly emotional posters accused Trump supporters of condoning child rape? They’re doing much the same here. Instead of defending Kirk’s unconditional protected speech rights, they are saying he triggered an assassin, bringing this onto himself. Of course that type of argument is a fallacy, an appeal to emotion. You should be standing up for
Speech rights of Kirk and condemning the killing. End of story.

 

[weaver2]

No, I am telling you how I see it. Many argue using fallacy, emotions instead of facts a lot of the time when trying to persuade others to see it their way. Example: How many times have overly emotional posters accused Trump supporters of condoning child rape? They’re doing much the same here. Instead of defending Kirk’s unconditional protected speech rights, they are saying he triggered an assassin, bringing this onto himself. Of course that type of argument is a fallacy, an appeal to emotion. You should be standing up for
Speech rights of Kirk and condemning the killing. End of story.

Oh, now you want to stick to the correct rules of debate and the absolute truths of the situation. The question is do you want to maintain those standards when discussing some Constitutional atrocity committed by Trump or a supporter?

The fact is most Democrats, liberals, progressives, atheists, non-evangelicals and other non-supporters of Trump and his activities are appalled by the assassination and have said it was wrong and inhuman. Saying that provocateurs are at risk of violence is neither cheering on an assassin or denying Mr. Kirk's 1st Amendment right to say the miserable things he said. It is simply stating a truth. Provocateurs risk the violence they advocate.. I condemn the killing. But nobody can protect people who take risks. That's why they are called risky.

 

[Hatuey]

Oh, now you want to stick to the correct rules of debate and the absolute truths of the situation. The question is do you want to maintain those standards when discussing some Constitutional atrocity committed by Trump or a supporter?

The fact is most Democrats, liberals, progressives, atheists, non-evangelicals and other non-supporters of Trump and his activities are appalled by the assassination and have said it was wrong and inhuman. Saying that provocateurs are at risk of violence is neither cheering on an assassin or denying Mr. Kirk's 1st Amendment right to say the miserable things he said. It is simply stating a truth. Provocateurs risk the violence they advocate.. I condemn the killing. But nobody can protect people who take risks. That's why they are called risky.

#threadwinner

 

[uptower]

the blowback on various subjects the far right and far left go at each other over will only get worse.

Resorting to assassinations literally makes a mess out of any subject used as motivation.

This is what happens when a country does so little to restrict hate speech and guns. Sooner or later the rhetoric escalates into a shooting match.

 

[Slartibartfast]

This is obviously not a normal murder, its the assassination of a political commentator, and its concerning. If this happened to Maddow or Hasan, I think some folks on here would be singing a different tune. I think if your response to a high profile murder like this is to try and dunk on Republicans, you need to put down your phone for a while. Not only is it morally wrong, its a bad look and convinces no one but makes your side seem like pretty bad people.

The truth of the matter is that there are more guns than people and in that kind of culture, this sort of thing will happen, unfortunately. If that makes me look bad in your eyes then your eyes were never on neutral footing.

Lastly l, given that political murder is actually fairly common and mostly on the right if you ignore 9/11, your response is inaccurate.

Thread 'Cato (a right leaning libertarian think tank) provides an extremely honest evaluation of political violence'

Friday at 2:15 AM

https://www.cato.org/blog/politically-motivated-violence-rare-united-states

Since 1975, 3,599 people have been killed in politically motivated attacks in the United States, including Charlie Kirk. 83% of those were killed on 9/11 and Islamism was 87% of the total since 1975. Violence from the right wing accounted for 11% of deaths, violence from the left wing accounted for 2% of deaths. Other sources accounted for a virtual 0% of deaths, statistically insignificant.

When you exclude 9/11 from the total (keeping other Islamist attacks) the picture becomes clearer. Right wing...

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[Slartibartfast]

Unless it’s a white guy who kills a black guy.

Which happens regularly. I am more concerned about school shootings. At least the kids didn’t foster the kind of culture that leads to this stuff.

 

[roberthughey]

Source: WSJ, Paywall

Believe, or else.

Your motivation

 

[braindrain]

Trump lost in 2020, plain and simple and was convicted of those things in a court of law by a jury but to you that wasn't valid, trump is innocent. Sad.

No shit. Anyone who is not a far right wing loon knows that.

And now you have proven you are nothing more then the left wing version of them.

Well done.

 

[braindrain]

Oh you’re going to harshly chastise me for speculating but not OP. I wonder why that is?

Ahh does the truth hurt your feelings.

And why lie. You didn’t say it was speculation. You stated it as if it was fact

 

[NatMorton]

Your motivation

Dumb post.

 

[braindrain]

Cool story, now could you do your bit about the cat eating?

Feel free to mix in some of your Birther stuff while you’re at it. And remember, Charlie is watching from below and is hoping you’ll make his eternal he’ll worth it by showing him the hardness of your MAGA.

You might almost have a point if I had ever said a single thing about cats getting eaten or any birther bs. But we both know you can’t quote me saying a single thing. So it’s just you lying because you have no real argument.

But please keep embarrassing yourself.

But please back up your bs. Quote me saying anything even remotely like what you claimed.
Or at least have the integrity to admit you lied.

Though I doubt you have the necessary qualities

 

[braindrain]

Yeah the shooter was definitely one of those MAGAs who wanted to silence Charlie Kirk demanding the release of the Epstein files.

That you don’t realize that all you are doing is proving you are no different then the far right clowns you hate so much is to funny

 

[pedex]

Is it the same rifle that shot Kennedy in Dallas? Don't all assassins engrave the bullets and then leave the rifle behind for law enforcement to find?

This fish smells rotten already.

bullets that are likely to tumble and break in into two or more pieces upon impact in the case of most 5.56 or .223 rounds not to mention not much room on them for engraving much of a message

 

[hecatmoggie]

they said they found the rifle/ammo ....

but the guy jumping off the roof? did he have a rifle in his hand? when he was running across the lawn was he carrying a rifle ?

 

[hecatmoggie]

bullets that are likely to tumble and break in into two or more pieces upon impact in the case of most 5.56 or .223 rounds not to mention not much room on them for engraving much of a message

3,000 fps bullet has to be fairly uniform ... if its "tumbling" it will have no accuracy at all in going where the shooter wants it to

 

[bongsaway]

No shit. Anyone who is not a far right wing loon knows that.

And now you have proven you are nothing more then the left wing version of them.

Well done.

Big difference. Folks on the right believe that stolen election bullshit. I deal in facts. The 1/6 people who smashed their way into the capitol are displaying criminal behavior. You guys would rather tell the story of how ashli babbett was a patriot. Well done yourself.

 

[What if...?]

So you’ve discounted the possibility this being the work of an extreme person on the left?

I can definitely entertain the idea that it was a personal response to a particular thing Kirk said in his edgelording.

 

[Manc Skipper]

Speaking of ideology, does anyone still remember when Republicans strutted around with assault rifle pins while sending thoughts and prayers to every school shooting?

 

[Jredbaron96]

Interesting. Was this whole story about "Trans" markings on the ammo just bullshit then?

Well until they release more information its all just speculation. Maybe there is a connection to trans symbolism and theyre not releasing it because its relevant to the ongoing investigation.

The fact that it was mentioned in the FBI statement where they confirmed other aspects of Crowders text suggests theyre not sure about it.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Source: WSJ, Paywall

Believe, or else.

If this is the case, it doesn’t make it the fault of trans people.

 

[What if...?]

Why? The shooter didn’t like his first amendment rights.

Again. Your first amendment rights apply to the state.

“Congress shall make no law…”

Not “everybody must allow anybody to say whatever they want without challenge”

All of the Amendments refer to the state not the individual citizen.

 

[RF667799]

The truth of the matter is that there are more guns than people and in that kind of culture, this sort of thing will happen, unfortunately. If that makes me look bad in your eyes then your eyes were never on neutral footing.

Lastly l, given that political murder is actually fairly common and mostly on the right if you ignore 9/11, your response is inaccurate.

From your source:

The number of deaths in politically motivated terrorist attacks is so tiny that any statistical analysis is extremely fragile.

Your source contradicts your claim that "political murder is actually fairly common".

Thread 'Cato (a right leaning libertarian think tank) provides an extremely honest evaluation of political violence'

Friday at 2:15 AM

https://www.cato.org/blog/politically-motivated-violence-rare-united-states

Since 1975, 3,599 people have been killed in politically motivated attacks in the United States, including Charlie Kirk. 83% of those were killed on 9/11 and Islamism was 87% of the total since 1975. Violence from the right wing accounted for 11% of deaths, violence from the left wing accounted for 2% of deaths. Other sources accounted for a virtual 0% of deaths, statistically insignificant.

When you exclude 9/11 from the total (keeping other Islamist attacks) the picture becomes clearer. Right wing...

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[TamleeB]

Did he? Anything to keep Epstein out off the news cycle, I suppose.