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America's "Toughest" Sheriff

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The state said he would have to let out prisoners, because he was running out of space in his existing jails. Since jails generally take alot of money and time to build there was no way he would meet the deadline.

So he built a jail out in the desert using free military surplus tents.

Here are a few key points.

He makes all inmates wear pink underwear.

He bought Newt Gingrich' lecture series on videotape that he pipes into the jails. When asked by a reporter if he had any lecture series by a Democrat, he replied that a democratic lecture series might explain why a lot of the inmates were in his jails in the first place.

He took away cable TV until he found out there was a federal court order that required cable TV for jails. So he hooked up the cable TV again but only let in the Disney channel and the weather channel. When asked why the weather channel he replied, so they will know how hot it's gonna be while they are working on my chain gangs.

He has jail meals down to 40 cents a serving and charges the inmates for them. He stopped smoking and porno magazines in the jails. Took away their weights. Cut off all but "G" movies.

In 1994 he banned coffee from the Maricopa County Jail, but he did so not because of its lack of nutritional value, but to protect inmates and guards from hot-coffee assaults by other inmates and to lower costs. (By eliminating the estimated 5,000 cups of coffee served daily for 5,400 inmates, it was expected the county would save $94,158 a year.)

He started chain gangs so the inmates could do free work on county and city projects. Then he started chain gangs for women so he wouldn't get sued for discrimination.

Arpaio has also instituted what he calls "Hard Knocks High", the only accredited high school in an American jail.

when asked if it's cruel to house inmates in un air conditioned tents, he replied.

"It's 120 degrees in Iraq and our soldiers are living in tents too, and they have to wear full battle gear, but they didn't commit any crimes... so shut your damned mouths."

Got to love this guy.
 
Re: Sheriff Joe Arpaio (tent city) - my personal hero

I think Joe should be in charge of all prisons and jails. He seems to be one of the few people who knows that these are places of punishment not a Sanfransicko dormitory on the rough side of town.
 
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Re: Sheriff Joe Arpaio (tent city) - my personal hero

More on Joe: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio

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Though Joe has performed many great feats and has had a considerable positive impact on the correction system of Arizona he is nonetheless prone to blatant publicity stunts and the target of many expensive lawsuits.

One must consider whether the cost of Joe outweighs the benefits and/or whether another could do a better job.
 
Re: Sheriff Joe Arpaio (tent city) - my personal hero

There is no way that Sheriff Joe should still be in his position as sheriff and I'd say there is a decent possibility he belongs in jail himself.
 
Re: Sheriff Joe Arpaio (tent city) - my personal hero

Tax payer money wasted .. that seems more of a problem with the courts then me. None of those people should have gotten a dime.
 
Re: Sheriff Joe Arpaio (tent city) - my personal hero

OP said:
hot-coffee assaults

Hahahaahahahahaha


No but seriously this man deserves no recognition what-so-ever. By all standards of the word, he is morally disgusting.
 
Re: Sheriff Joe Arpaio (tent city) - my personal hero

Got to love this guy.

No you don't. It seems to me that instead of enforcing the law, he is living in his own little magic kingdom where he gets to micromanage prisoners for his own amusement and ego stroking.

How many officers does it take to guard a tent city? What is the increased cost of medical care for these prisoners because of the heat exposure? How much extra is it costing to filter channels from the standard cable package? What's the cost of the lawsuits that are sure to be brought against his county when inmates, present and former, bring grievances over this into the court system? How much of this is really effective versus just being a total publicity stunt?

While it all sounds good in theory...(READ: yeah, **** those criminals, make 'em suffer!!!), what is the real cost of doing things this way? Does this compound damages when the few innocent people are released and bring suit for their treatment?

It just doesn't seem very smart to me.
 
Re: Sheriff Joe Arpaio (tent city) - my personal hero

No you don't. It seems to me that instead of enforcing the law, he is living in his own little magic kingdom where he gets to micromanage prisoners for his own amusement and ego stroking.

How many officers does it take to guard a tent city? What is the increased cost of medical care for these prisoners because of the heat exposure? How much extra is it costing to filter channels from the standard cable package? What's the cost of the lawsuits that are sure to be brought against his county when inmates, present and former, bring grievances over this into the court system? How much of this is really effective versus just being a total publicity stunt?

While it all sounds good in theory...(READ: yeah, **** those criminals, make 'em suffer!!!), what is the real cost of doing things this way? Does this compound damages when the few innocent people are released and bring suit for their treatment?

It just doesn't seem very smart to me.

Jail needs to be a punishment, tent city is not a fun place.

Why should inmates be permitted to watch tv all day, they should be learning or doing something else productive. I would hope you work all day, why should they not.

It is too hot for them? Like i posted, troops in Iraq deal with similar situations are are not criminals.

innocent people, we should make life in jail a fun .. just in case someone got arested who should not have?
 
Re: Sheriff Joe Arpaio (tent city) - my personal hero

it always gets me how every "centrist" on this forum is really a liberal.

And why do you guys hate the police and jails so much. There is always a segment of society that needs to be separated to maintain order.
 
Re: Sheriff Joe Arpaio (tent city) - my personal hero

Jail needs to be a punishment, tent city is not a fun place.
Doesn't deter crime, so why the toothless punishment?

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It is too hot for them? Like i posted, troops in Iraq deal with similar situations are are not criminals.
Troops are there because it is their job to be there. Troops also deal with getting shot at and having things blow up around you. Should we put landmines in the workout areas? You know... just to show criminals what they are missing out on.
What is the purpose of doing this to a criminal? Jail, death, and punishment are not deterrents for crime.
 
Re: Sheriff Joe Arpaio (tent city) - my personal hero

Tax payer money wasted .. that seems more of a problem with the courts then me. None of those people should have gotten a dime.

It amazes how people think we should cave to scum just because a a few scumbags and scumbag sympathizers sue. That man should be running our prison systems. People might actually fear prison because of the chain gangs and total loss of freedom instead of big bubba making you his bitch.
 
Re: Sheriff Joe Arpaio (tent city) - my personal hero

A dissenting opinion: Joe Arpaio Top 10

Those who sympathize with scum will always find something to not like about Joe. Despite what faults he may have, Joe is right that jail should be a punishment.
 
Re: Sheriff Joe Arpaio (tent city) - my personal hero

Jail needs to be a punishment, tent city is not a fun place.

Why should inmates be permitted to watch tv all day, they should be learning or doing something else productive. I would hope you work all day, why should they not.

It is too hot for them? Like i posted, troops in Iraq deal with similar situations are are not criminals.

innocent people, we should make life in jail a fun .. just in case someone got arested who should not have?

I never made any of those arguments in favor of the criminals. I made arguments against the probable costs to the county.

Why can't you answer what was written rather than creating a fantasy post and then proceeding to tear it down?
 
Re: Sheriff Joe Arpaio (tent city) - my personal hero

it always gets me how every "centrist" on this forum is really a liberal.

And why do you guys hate the police and jails so much. There is always a segment of society that needs to be separated to maintain order.

And it always amazes me how every "very conservative" on this forum is really just a facade for someone who hasn't got the first care for wasteful spending.

And why do you hate reality so much? There is no need to create asinine arguments for me and then attribute them to me. I can create my own arguments and would prefer that you answered those instead of these figments of your addled imagination.
 
Re: Sheriff Joe Arpaio (tent city) - my personal hero

A prison should be run so that the costs of running it are low, and chances of inmates being rehabilitated is high. I have no intention of coddling criminals, but this man is making the problem worse. Give them the bare requirements, no more and no less. Spending extra effort and money to cause needless suffering and bragging about it in the media is the mark of a sadist. This man has no business running a prison. I'd be more impressed by a prison that managed to limit violence, overhead and re-offenders.
 
Re: Sheriff Joe Arpaio (tent city) - my personal hero

A prison should be run so that the costs of running it are low, and chances of inmates being rehabilitated is high. I have no intention of coddling criminals, but this man is making the problem worse. Give them the bare requirements, no more and no less. Spending extra effort and money to cause needless suffering and bragging about it in the media is the mark of a sadist. This man has no business running a prison. I'd be more impressed by a prison that managed to limit violence, overhead and re-offenders.

You should see how the prisons in the magic gumdrop forest are run.

You do not go to jail because you are a nice well adjusted person. You go there because you are a criminal scumbag who likes to break laws and/or oppress others.

If i ran prisons, tent city would look like island resort by comparison.
 
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Re: Sheriff Joe Arpaio (tent city) - my personal hero

If i ran prisons, tent city would look like island resort by comparison.

And I don't think anyone would have a problem with that if you did it in a cost-effective way that stayed in line with our Constitution. I, personally, like how the Quakers ran their prisons.

Walnut Street Prison
 
Re: Sheriff Joe Arpaio (tent city) - my personal hero

You do not go to jail because you are a nice well adjusted person. You go there because you are a criminal scumbag who likes to break laws and/or oppress others.

Do you really think that people are that black and white?
 
Re: Sheriff Joe Arpaio (tent city) - my personal hero

You don't go to jail for helping old ladies cross the street.

It's more black and white then you think.
 
BBC NEWS | Americas | Meet America's 'toughest sheriff'

Article said:
Men in striped uniforms and pink underwear lie in packed bunk beds under the scorching sun.

The sheriff ignores them. This is, after all, his territory: a "Tent City" jail in Arizona created for illegal immigrants and opened in February, where inmates are forced to live outdoors.

Joe Arpaio, 76, describes himself as "America's toughest sheriff". He is the head of police of Maricopa County, which includes Phoenix, one of the largest cities in the United States.

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His Tent City has provoked controversy. Critics accuse Sheriff Arpaio of abusing illegal immigrants detained for violating Arizona's state laws, including one enacted in 2005 which deems it a crime to smuggle oneself across the border.

They consider him the worst example of excesses committed by the US immigration detention system. The authorities lock up some half a million people every year, more than half of whom end up in county jails run by local sheriffs.

Some 350 illegal immigrants, mostly from Latin America, are being held in Tent City to serve their sentences before being deported.

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"This is hell. Food is disgusting, mostly rotten, not even my dogs at home would eat this, we feel humiliated, I need to support my kids and don't know what to do," says a Mexican detainee in his 30s. He admits, though, that prisons in Mexico are worse.

He was arrested for possession of marijuana and will probably end up being deported to Mexico after serving his term, despite claiming to have been living in the US since he was a teenager and having American children.

"It's freezing at night, there are mice everywhere, we have nothing to do here, no religion, no activities, nothing," adds another man from Guatemala.

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The criticism of Sheriff Arpaio go beyond the conditions at Tent City.

The US Attorney General has opened an investigation against him in response to four members of the US Congress who complained that his deputies allegedly used skin colour as the basis to search for illegal immigrants.

Sheriff Arpaio is also accused of intimidating opponents, including a local reporter who was reportedly surrounded by several deputies while attempting to examine public records relating to the sheriff.

"He even arrested me! He has people cowed," says Dan Pochoda, director of the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) in Arizona, who admits that most people still support the sheriff.

No comment from me yet... but I'm curious what everyone else thinks of this.

Is this ethical or justifiable?
 
Arpaio has had tent city open since '93.

He's a great sheriff and should be the model for jails/jailers nationwide.

It's just more of the left wing nut jobs trying again to get him on something, anything.

Just like the anti Bush-Cheney-Rove crowd.
 
There's already a thread about this topic.


And I'll say what I said earlier...

He's morally disgusting.
 
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