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Americans rank Barack Obama as best president of their lifetimes: Poll

TU Curmudgeon said:
Here is all of the information that you have to go on:

  1. There is an indication that "X" is likely going to attack the United States of America.
  2. You DO NOT KNOW where.
  3. You DO NOT KNOW how.
  4. You DO NOT KNOW when.
  5. You DO NOT KNOW how great that likelihood is.
  6. You DO NOT KNOW exactly where "X" is.
  7. You DO NOT KNOW who is working with "X".

Now, please provide the specific steps you are going to take to prevent that attack.
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LOL. So it's confirmed bush is an idiot and needs steps to keep america safe spoonfed to him?
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
And there is a Measles outbreak in the United States of America while Mr. Trump is the President so the "obvious" conclusion to draw is "Donald Trump causes Measles." - right?
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Did trump have a memo on his desk a month before that said "measles set to attack the US". If so, he is would be to blame.
 
Fledermaus said:
What an ignorant statement....

Why wasn't the intelligence acted on prior to Bush?
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"Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US was the title of the President's Daily Brief prepared by the Central Intelligence Agency and given to U.S. President George W. Bush on Monday, August 6, 2001. The brief warned, 36 days before the September 11 attacks, of terrorism threats from Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda, including "patterns of suspicious activity in this country consistent with preparations for a hijacking" of US aircraft."

Who was president on August 6, 2001?
 
99percenter said:
"Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US was the title of the President's Daily Brief prepared by the Central Intelligence Agency and given to U.S. President George W. Bush on Monday, August 6, 2001. The brief warned, 36 days before the September 11 attacks, of terrorism threats from Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda, including "patterns of suspicious activity in this country consistent with preparations for a hijacking" of US aircraft."

Who was president on August 6, 2001?
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Yes, and?

A threat.

Where?

What target?

When.

Who was going to do it?

What method?
 
Based solely on his socialist views, his indoctrination in black liberation theology, and obvious "anti-American" theology, he was the worst. Based on his gifted speaking ability and general likability and popularity, he was one of the best.
 
Fledermaus said:
Clinton didn't stop anything.

You are being intentionally ignorant at this point.

If Clinton stopped Atta there would have been no 9/11.
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There was no 9-11 under clinton. I am not really sure what you are trying to argue here. The president can only protect you while he is in office. It was bush who ignored the memo and let obl attack us.
 
99percenter said:
There was no 9-11 under clinton. I am not really sure what you are trying to argue here. The president can only protect you while he is in office. It was bush who ignored the memo and let obl attack us.
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Your intentional ignorance is noted.

Still waiting for what it is you believe could have been done based on the memo you keep mewling about.

You have been asked a fair number of times.
 
His one and only great piece of legislation is Obamacare and now most of the Democrats running for President are trying to get rid of that because it doesn't work. Yeah, good choice. It's a popularity contest, like prom king. Prom king doesn't do anything, neither did Obama. Oh, he did travel around the globe apologizing for being America.
 
Hmm. I can make sense of this poll if I consider "best" as "least bad". Clinton enacted DADA, but he also signed the FMLA. He didn't screw up a good economy. He was eloquent and charming. Unfortunately, he also cost American national politics years in productivity because he was a lying man whore. Obama widened the war on terrorism and approved some dubious war tactics, but he repealed DADA and authorized the raid that killed bin Laden. He prevented a global economic catastrophe. He was an inspirational orator and somewhat less charming than Clinton. He also didn't handle the 2016 election season very well and probably contributed to Trump's victory. GHWB was a good man. He handled Desert Storm brilliantly. He was otherwise relatively inconsequential and deserved to lose his reelection. Reagan conceived the disastrous war on drugs, but he defeated the Soviet Union. He was likable and motivational. His economic policies were bass ackwards and he was senile before he left office, but he still is loved and respected by a lot of Americans. GWB and Trump will be regarded as thoroughly failed presidents, in my opinion. Neither can form a sentence or pronounce at least a quarter of the English language. Neither is an effective commander in chief. With Bush's global war against an enemy that can neither be identified nor defeated and with Trump's insistence on utterly destroying the social fabric of the country, both men have inflicted harm on at least four generations of Americans. The biggest difference between the two men is probably that Bush is probably, actually a good person. He united the country after 9-11. He kept the homeland safe from more terrorism. As regards Trump, I'm reminded of an adage. Since I don't have much nice to say, I just won't say anything else.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
From ABC News

Americans rank Barack Obama as best president of their lifetimes: Poll
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A new Pew Research Center poll says more Americans rank former President Barack Obama higher than any other when asked which president has done the best job in their lifetimes.

Obama was named the best or second best president by 44 percent of Americans in the survey that came out Wednesday. Thirty-one percent ranked him as the best president in their lifetimes.


President Donald Trump comes in fourth after President Bill Clinton and President Ronald Reagan, with 19 percent of Americans ranking him as the best or second best in their lifetimes.


While 19 percent might seem low, 20 percent of Americans ranked Obama as the best or second best president in 2011, at a similar point in his first term and the last time Pew conducted this poll.

COMMENT:-

Naturally, since the pollsters didn't ask every single American (especially you) what there opinion was the results are completely invalid.

Right?

PS - An interesting analysis of the data has suggested that the increase in Mr. Trump's popularity amongst Republicans could potentially be due to the fact that Republicans who formerly supported Mr. Trump and who no longer do so are not "self-identifying" as Republicans right now.

How that would work is:


  1. Assume that there are 200 people 50% of whom "self-identify" as "X" and of those 100 60 support "Y". That means that "Y" has the support of 60% of those who "self-identify" as "X".
  2. Now assume that there are 200 people 40% of whom "self-identify" as "X" and of those 80 60 support "Y". That means that "Y" has the support of 75% of those who "self-identify" as "X".
  3. That means that the support for "Y" amongst those who "self-identify" as "X" has increased - even though there has been no actual change in the support for "Y" when you consider the entire 200 people.


In other articles Mr. Trump is loudly proclaiming that his support amongst Republicans is the highest that any President has ever had (aside from the fact that that simply isn't true) the question is "Is Mr. Trump merely the same sized frog in a smaller pond?".

PPS - The linked poll has some reasonably interesting demographic breakdowns of the data for those who are interested in doing more than skimming the surface.
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That’s nothing—Trump is the second coming of God.
 
Fledermaus said:
Your intentional ignorance is noted.

Still waiting for what it is you believe could have been done based on the memo you keep mewling about.

You have been asked a fair number of times.
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He stopped a 9-11 from happening under his watch. After he left office the ball was on bushs court.
 
I didn't vote for Barack Obama either time. I was, back then, a Registered Republican and still of the belief the R party was still for me despite early warning signs I had been seeing. I had registered as a Republican when I turned 18. For many years I saw no reason to change. But then came the Right's obsession with the Clintons, then their equally manic and disturbing obsession with the Obama's. I began having doubts.

The R party embrace of Trump, as many of you know, was the last straw. I was LEFT out of the R party for good.

Back to the OP, I can't for certain say who I think was the best President in my lifetime, but I do now regret that I didn't vote for President Obama.
 
99percenter said:
He did. It was bush that didn't.
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If Mr. Clinton stopped Mohamed Mohamed el-Amir Awad el-Sayed Atta (not "Mohammed Atta), how was he able to continue to act as one of the ringleaders of the September 11 attacks in which four United States commercial aircraft were commandeered with the intention of destroying specific civilian targets?
 
99percenter said:
There was no 9-11 under clinton.
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Indeed, and it makes just as much sense to say that George Washington "stopped Hitler" because there was no WWII when he was the President of the United States of America.

99percenter said:
I am not really sure what you are trying to argue here. The president can only protect you while he is in office. It was bush who ignored the memo and let obl attack us.
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What steps would YOU have taken if you had received a memo that said (essentially)


There is an indication that "X" is determined to attack the United States of America. We DO NOT KNOW where any attack might take place. We DO NOT KNOW how any attack might take place. We DO NOT KNOW when any attack might take place. We DO NOT KNOW how great the likelihood is that any attack will actually take place. We DO NOT KNOW exactly where "X" is. We DO NOT KNOW who is working with "X".
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Please list specific actions that you will take to absolutely prevent an attack that "X" might be planning to conduct. (For the purpose of this exercise, you can assume that the President of the United States of America is in absolute and total control of all of the state apparatuses possessed by the United States of America and is completely fettered by either American or international law. You MAY NOT assume that the President of the United States of America is omniscient, omnipotent, all knowing, or (in any other manner) "God".)
 
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