Americans Choose "Pro-Choice" for First Time in Seven Years

[JayDubya]

Well, still not any untruth in what I said, even though you are still unable to make a point without passive aggressive language. Is your position so weak that you cannot make your point without it?

My statements of fact are no kind of aggressive, passive or otherwise. Your statement remains a lie; if you say otherwise, point out the enumerated right in question within the text.

 

[AGENT J]

Your statement remains a lie

actually his statement about the choice to abort being a protected right under privacy as roe vs wade decided is true no matter how many times you stomp your feet and say you dont like the decision its true none the less

disagree,prove his factual statement wrong . . . we are waiting

 

[Peter King]

My statements of fact are no kind of aggressive, passive or otherwise. Your statement remains a lie; if you say otherwise, point out the enumerated right in question within the text.

Really? Your not passive aggressive in your manner of posting :roll:

Sorry, but I am going to have to disagree with you on that, and disagree wholeheartedly.

And why is my statement a lie? You offer nothing but rebuttals with no substance whatsoever.

Roe v. Wade decided that women have the right to have an abortion, you want to take that away, hence pro-lifers want to take away an established right from women.

Pure and simple, you may not agree that it is an established right, but Roe v. Wade and the supreme court say otherwise.

 

[RamFel]

Awesome news!!!

Gee I always wondered why the Repugs hate BIG GOVERNMENT , but feel the need to tell a Woman what she can and can't do with own body???

What happened to freedom??

Let's just hope the Repugs put Santorum, or Walker on the ballot in 16, I'm guessing that won't go over too well, especially when your opposition is a Woman..

I can't think of anything more oppressive, freedom robbing, and evil that abortion. I guess that is part of what BIG GOVERNMENT does for us.

 

[RamFel]

Really? Your not passive aggressive in your manner of posting :roll:

Sorry, but I am going to have to disagree with you on that, and disagree wholeheartedly.

And why is my statement a lie? You offer nothing but rebuttals with no substance whatsoever.

Roe v. Wade decided that women have the right to have an abortion, you want to take that away, hence pro-lifers want to take away an established right from women.

Pure and simple, you may not agree that it is an established right, but Roe v. Wade and the supreme court say otherwise.

Roe v wade condemned babies to death, mostly poor undesirables. IMHO probably as a cleansing process to get rid of undesirables from society.

 

[Peter King]

Roe v wade condemned babies to death, mostly poor undesirables. IMHO probably as a cleansing process to get rid of undesirables from society.

Roe v. Wade did nothing other than legalizing what was already happening and regulating it. And it did not condemn babies to death, it prevented babies ever being born/gestated.

 

[AGENT J]

1.)I can't think of anything more oppressive, freedom robbing, and evil that abortion.
2.) I guess that is part of what BIG GOVERNMENT does for us.

1.) you are welcome to that opinion, maybe seek to live in a country where they dont have rights and freedom snd women are lessers
2.) pro-choice is less government lol

 

[RamFel]

Roe v. Wade did nothing other than legalizing what was already happening and regulating it. And it did not condemn babies to death, it prevented babies ever being born/gestated.

More excuses I see. No the condemnation is real. What was happening before was bad, but what should have happened was an attempt to rescue the babies, not join forces with evil. Prevented babies ever being born? How is that positive when every good person loses?

 

[Removable Mind]

Roe v. Wade did nothing other than legalizing what was already happening and regulating it. And it did not condemn babies to death, it prevented babies ever being born/gestated.

Ya know, Peter...if our resident pro-life members couldn't use the words "baby", "child", or "innocent" - there might be dead silence filling the forum pages. Their arguments would become almost impotent. They would be forced to discuss this topic on a more realistic, scientific, humanistic platform.

 

[cAPSLOCK]

Conservatives DO have a point here .. as far as it goes .. What they conveniently forget is "man's basic disrespect " for woman .

This is the essence of the problem with the abortion argument. We judge others by our own standards and then condemn them. Here we even make a sport of it.

I assume the other side holds my core values and then judge them as _________ (murderers/misogynists) because if they held my core values they would have to be evil to take that position.

Of course the actual argument is interesting and nuanced. Lobbing MURDERER! and WOMAN HATER!! back and forth is most definitely not.

 

[Scrabaholic]

I can't think of anything more oppressive, freedom robbing, and evil that abortion.

I can - forcing women to gestate and give birth against their will.

 

[Removable Mind]

Not at all, we champion those causes. The slaughtering of innocents is what I am referring to as evil. If that is not evil, nothing is.

Is our justice system sooooooooo screwed up in the year 2015 that it can't recognize the EVIL MASS SLAUGHTER of INNOCENT UNBORN BABIES? Really? Commmme nowww. Seriously?

You - and others who have LIKED your post - base your beliefs on one premise. A zygote, embryo, fetus is a vessel created by a supernatural being for the purpose of implanting another supernatural being. YES? NO?

 

[Peter King]

More excuses I see. No the condemnation is real. What was happening before was bad, but what should have happened was an attempt to rescue the babies, not join forces with evil. Prevented babies ever being born? How is that positive when every good person loses?

No, it is an attempt at dominating and forcing women to do something against their will. And what should have happened has happened, they (the justices of the Supreme court) have freed women from the dominion the government loomed over their uterus.

And nobody looses, what is never there cannot be lost.

 

[Peter King]

Ya know, Peter...if our resident pro-life members couldn't use the words "baby", "child", or "innocent" - there might be dead silence filling the forum pages. Their arguments would become almost impotent. They would be forced to discuss this topic on a more realistic, scientific, humanistic platform.

But sadly they have been so entrenched into believing the supremacy of their own position that reality and facts fall on deaf ears, all of the time.

 

[RamFel]

1.) you are welcome to that opinion, maybe seek to live in a country where they dont have rights and freedom snd women are lessers
2.) pro-choice is less government lol

You mean to a place where freedom reigns, and oppression is crushed underfoot?
And what do you mean women are lessers? I have met and worked for some of the toughest and very powerful women. Women are not lessors.

 

[AGENT J]

1.)You mean to a place where freedom reigns, and oppression is crushed underfoot?
2.) And what do you mean women are lessers? I have met and worked for some of the toughest and very powerful women.
3.) Women are not lessors.

1.) again you are welcome to that unsupportable opinion but america, rights, facts and the constitution disagree with you, so good luck in your travels . .hope you find a place for your belifes!
2.) never said they were, i pointed out the fact thats what you want and where you want to live
3.) yes i know thats why I dont want them treated as such, to made you dont feel the same
4.) since you skipped it, pro-choice is less government

 

[Bodi]

Indeed the tide has turned around.

Americans Choose "Pro-Choice" for First Time in Seven Years

PRINCETON, N.J. -- Half of Americans consider themselves "pro-choice" on abortion, surpassing the 44% who identify as "pro-life." This is the first time since 2008 that the pro-choice position has had a statistically significant lead in Americans' abortion views.

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The time line clearly shows that this is Obama's fault...

 

[RamFel]

I can - forcing women to gestate and give birth against their will.

Yes, you WOULD favor the greater evil than the lessor one. And who, may I ask, is in favor of forcing women to give birth? I have no interest in doing any such thing. You should learn how to read and stop with the lies.

 

[RamFel]

No, it is an attempt at dominating and forcing women to do something against their will. And what should have happened has happened, they (the justices of the Supreme court) have freed women from the dominion the government loomed over their uterus.

And nobody looses, what is never there cannot be lost.

Your talent for constantly getting it wrong always amazes me. One would think that you actually believe the same nonsense that you put out.

 

[Babylon_Drifter]

The time line clearly shows that this is Obama's fault...

I understand your sarcasm, and forgive me if my opinion isn't that novel, but I blame social conservatives for handing us this victory. People do not want to side with social conservatives anymore because they have been wrong on EVERY issue. These people have become routinely wrong on religion, science, the war on drugs, homosexuality and now their chickens are coming home to roost on the abortion issue.

These people made the mistake of fusing religion with politics and lost BIG TIME. Not only have they ruined Christianity, but have become a costly liability for the GOP.

 

[RAMOSS]

Yes, you WOULD favor the greater evil than the lessor one. And who, may I ask, is in favor of forcing women to give birth? I have no interest in doing any such thing. You should learn how to read and stop with the lies.

Do you often use intrapersonal communication like that??

 

[year2late]

You mean to a place where freedom reigns, and oppression is crushed underfoot?
And what do you mean women are lessers? I have met and worked for some of the toughest and very powerful women. Women are not lessors.

Yeah, the ones that agree with you. Otherwise you seek to control them.:doh

 

[RamFel]

Yeah, the ones that agree with you. Otherwise you seek to control them.:doh

I don't want to control women. That's just your response which you only say because you want to defend abortion. Way to pick sides and become a hero to all the women. Just look at what you chose.

Death over Life
Grief over the Life of the Baby

Are you happy? Does this make any kind of sense?

 

[RamFel]

Do you often use intrapersonal communication like that??

I'm not sure what you mean. Intra-personal communication?

I only stated my side of this issue. What's wrong with the way I said it?

 

[RAMOSS]

I'm not sure what you mean. Intra-personal communication?

I only stated my side of this issue. What's wrong with the way I said it?

Why, only the fact that what you said referred to yourself, rather than the person to whom you were addressing. Do you know the difference between 'INTRA' and 'INTER' as a prefix? "Inter" means between , INTRA means internal. Your criticism made it look like you were talking to yourself.