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Americans’ work conditions are terrible. No wonder many don’t want to go back.

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Americans’ work conditions are terrible. No wonder many don’t want to go back.

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6/2/21
Food 4 Less’s unionized workforce has gone without a contract for months. Kroger, the chain’s parent company, cut its $2-per-hour “hero” bonuses for front-line workers after two months. Meanwhile, CEO Rodney McMullen got a major raise, upping his annual haul to $22 million. “I think that we are essential workers," Leiva told me, "that we’ve always been essential workers, not just now during the pandemic.”Such dissatisfaction and tensions can be seen across the U.S. workforce. In the wake of employers complaining about positions they can’t fill, a narrative has emerged of (lazy) Americans refusing to get off unemployment. But the pandemic recession and fledgling recovery point a fresh lens at an old issue: Millions of Americans earn less than a living wage. It’s no surprise that many don’t want to return to unsatisfactory workplace conditions. Unhappiness has been building for some time over low pay, uncertain hours, and few protections against bullying bosses or workplace abuse. The United States, unlike other first-world economies, mandates no vacation days. Some 23 percent of American workers have no paid vacation and 22 percent lack paid holidays. Pushback against organized labor and state right-to-work laws mean most Americans can easily be fired at any time.

Many people “don’t particularly feel like going back to work,” JPMorgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimon recently told the Senate Finance Committee. Why should that surprise anyone? In the restaurant and hospitality industry, many workers still receive the tipped federal minimum wage of $2.13 an hour. The restaurant industry accounts for more sexual harassment claims than any other sector. But white-collar work wasn’t in a healthy state either. Even before covid-19, the pressure to work long hours was immense, with many survey respondents admitting to checking emails after hours and during vacation. The United States is famous as a place where people identify with their work; in many circles, you are what you do to earn a paycheck. The pandemic was a wake-up call. It abruptly severed workplace ties for many while leaving others — deemed essential but treated like they were disposable — toiling in less than safe conditions. Today’s “worker crisis” is really a debate about the terms and conditions under which our jobs are performed, and how much we should be paid for them.


American Chamber of Commerce: We need you to go back to your minimum wage jobs, at least until we figure out how to replace you with robots.

Americans are tired of the low-pay, no benefits, boss-bullying jobs that they have been toiling at with no improvements.

US companies should perhaps emulate European methodology rather than keep running with the China sweatshop concept.
 
American Capitalists during the pandemic when the businesses were shutting their doors and laying off workers: “You can’t expect businesses to stay open when they aren’t making enough revenue to survive!”

Americans capitalists today: “Where are all of our workers?!?”

American Workers: “You can’t expect workers to work for you when they aren’t making enough revenue to survive.”

American capitalists: *surprised Pikachu face*
 
it an opinion editorial not reall much to talk about either you agree with the opinion or don’t.

Te mistake was in allowing people to make more money doing nothing than if they were working
 
With the Internet, people realize that the USA is being rather cheap when it comes to minimum wages. In USA Dollars >>>


  1. Luxembourg: $18.33/Hour. GDP: $62.3 billion. ...
  2. Australia: $15.30/Hour. GDP: $1.3 trillion. ...
  3. New Zealand: $14.40/Hour. GDP: $204 billion. ...
  4. Germany: $12.55/Hour. GDP: $3.7 trillion. ...
  5. United Kingdom: $12.33/Hour. GDP: $2.6 trillion. ...
  6. France: $12.31/Hour. GDP: $2.6 trillion. ...
  7. Ireland: $12.26/Hour. ...
  8. Belgium: $12.20/Hour
 
Why stop at minimum wage? As you said no benefits, bullying. These are just as important issues.

For similar jobs in nz most are getting a living wage. Public holidays are paid leave, a minimum job description contract, set working hours, sick pay, annual leave pay. On top of that at that level of income if they have family then they can also be eligible for government assistance payments.

It is the lower to middle class who when given money, will spend it. And most likely spend it at the very shops they work for. That is what keeps an economy going.
 
With the Internet, people realize that the USA is being rather cheap when it comes to minimum wages. In USA Dollars >>>


  1. Luxembourg: $18.33/Hour. GDP: $62.3 billion. ...
  2. Australia: $15.30/Hour. GDP: $1.3 trillion. ...
  3. New Zealand: $14.40/Hour. GDP: $204 billion. ...
  4. Germany: $12.55/Hour. GDP: $3.7 trillion. ...
  5. United Kingdom: $12.33/Hour. GDP: $2.6 trillion. ...
  6. France: $12.31/Hour. GDP: $2.6 trillion. ...
  7. Ireland: $12.26/Hour. ...
  8. Belgium: $12.20/Hour

San Diego $14.00 an hour .... yeah, real cheap. ;)

Employers can't find help.... Workers would rather collect three hundred each week compliments of Uncle Sam.

 
San Diego $14.00 an hour .... yeah, real cheap. ;)

Employers can't find help.... Workers would rather collect three hundred each week compliments of Uncle Sam.

San Diego. Cost of living, not cheap.
 
San Diego $14.00 an hour .... yeah, real cheap. ;)
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^^
Even if she's not just making it up, get that: she thinks comparing one city to a country, in regard to a national problem, can function as a *gotcha*.


:ROFLMAO:
 
Americans’ work conditions are terrible. No wonder many don’t want to go back.

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American Chamber of Commerce: We need you to go back to your minimum wage jobs, at least until we figure out how to replace you with robots.

Americans are tired of the low-pay, no benefits, boss-bullying jobs that they have been toiling at with no improvements.

US companies should perhaps emulate European methodology rather than keep running with the China sweatshop concept.
shrug...

Come September, when the fed's free money runs out, those people will have to make a choice, won't they?
 
Right to work for less, fire at will, pretending to be a contractor, shitty vacation packages that you're basically expected not to take to show how dedicated you are, etc, etc, etc.

What's not to like?
 
Right to work for less, fire at will, pretending to be a contractor, shitty vacation packages that you're basically expected not to take to show how dedicated you are, etc, etc, etc.

What's not to like?
The US company I worked for paid employees in Canada twice as much as Americans. In my region it was three times as much.

And the Canadian operation was very profitable.
 
shrug...

Come September, when the fed's free money runs out, those people will have to make a choice, won't they?

The question is, how many will have to make that choice? The $300 a week from the government only seriously appeals to the lowest wage workers.
 
With the Internet, people realize that the USA is being rather cheap when it comes to minimum wages. In USA Dollars >>>


  1. Luxembourg: $18.33/Hour. GDP: $62.3 billion. ...
  2. Australia: $15.30/Hour. GDP: $1.3 trillion. ...
  3. New Zealand: $14.40/Hour. GDP: $204 billion. ...
  4. Germany: $12.55/Hour. GDP: $3.7 trillion. ...
  5. United Kingdom: $12.33/Hour. GDP: $2.6 trillion. ...
  6. France: $12.31/Hour. GDP: $2.6 trillion. ...
  7. Ireland: $12.26/Hour. ...
  8. Belgium: $12.20/Hour

Not to mention the great benefits many of those workers enjoy.
 
It's America's History!!! This nation has never valued any type of work that was once done by slaves and indentured servants.. It's why today, American System still try to pay people with low wages as a demonstration of their disrespect for workers in various categories of work.

Fact is, the Pandemic is making people see... how valuable those workers truly are. The longer these workers stand their ground and demand to be paid as a living and working human being who has the rights to a living wage. Then these greed master will have to learn to respect the workers as person who and an individual, and who is an employee that is a human being who deserves to be respected as person who is individual, in how they are treated and how they are compensated for their labor.

Example of Disrespect: The low pay that is paid to Sanitation Workers, but people won't realize it until the garbage piles up. but because many of the people are non white, society ignores the labor involved to do that work and what the individuals who do that work must endure on a daily basis.

The Waiter/ Waitress... who ever came up with paying them $2-3 hr, and then counting their tips as their income... must have come straight out of the system of slavery... when the slave master would hire out slaves, and leave the slave to depend on what ever tip they might get from whom they were hired out to. That's how absurd the issue is in how the systems treats waiter/waitress. The employer should have nothing to do nor have any concern about the "tips earned by the waiter and waitress"... they should only concern themselves with paying the person a living wage!!!

If today, waiter's and waitress were paid even $10 an hour, and could keep their tips and work to earn better tips from those they serve, they would have people lined up for those jobs, and the public would get an enhanced quality of service that would be greater than anything ever seen in the service industry. People would tip well, because people appreciate the services and they would appreciate the enhancements that a well paid waiter/ waitress would provide in the delivery of service and their reception of the reward of being well tipped.

Screw These Right Wingers and their Bullshit... of wanting to rush people back into jobs that never helped them uplift themselves, and in some of the jobs that have no invested in means and ways and policies to help protect the workers.

It's some of these same Right Wingers who are among the worst "tippers" ever... in the system of the service industry, but they always want the best top of the line service, and then they insult the person who served them with a bullshit tip.
 
It's America's History!!! This nation has never valued any type of work that was once done by slaves and indentured servants.. It's why today, American System still try to pay people with low wages as a demonstration of their disrespect for workers in various categories of work.

Fact is, the Pandemic is making people see... how valuable those workers truly are. The longer these workers stand their ground and demand to be paid as a living and working human being who has the rights to a living wage. Then these greed master will have to learn to respect the workers as person who and an individual, and who is an employee that is a human being who deserves to be respected as person who is individual, in how they are treated and how they are compensated for their labor.

Example of Disrespect: The low pay that is paid to Sanitation Workers, but people won't realize it until the garbage piles up. but because many of the people are non white, society ignores the labor involved to do that work and what the individuals who do that work must endure on a daily basis.

The Waiter/ Waitress... who ever came up with paying them $2-3 hr, and then counting their tips as their income... must have come straight out of the system of slavery... when the slave master would hire out slaves, and leave the slave to depend on what ever tip they might get from whom they were hired out to. That's how absurd the issue is in how the systems treats waiter/waitress. The employer should have nothing to do nor have any concern about the "tips earned by the waiter and waitress"... they should only concern themselves with paying the person a living wage!!!

If today, waiter's and waitress were paid even $10 an hour, and could keep their tips and work to earn better tips from those they serve, they would have people lined up for those jobs, and the public would get an enhanced quality of service that would be greater than anything ever seen in the service industry. People would tip well, because people appreciate the services and they would appreciate the enhancements that a well paid waiter/ waitress would provide in the delivery of service and their reception of the reward of being well tipped.

Screw These Right Wingers and their Bullshit... of wanting to rush people back into jobs that never helped them uplift themselves, and in some of the jobs that have no invested in means and ways and policies to help protect the workers.

It's some of these same Right Wingers who are among the worst "tippers" ever... in the system of the service industry, but they always want the best top of the line service, and then they insult the person who served them with a bullshit tip.
Not just America's history. Other countries did the same but many now have better protection for workers than exists in the US.
 
The US company I worked for paid employees in Canada twice as much as Americans. In my region it was three times as much.

And the Canadian operation was very profitable.

I don't doubt it.
 
San Diego $14.00 an hour .... yeah, real cheap. ;)

Employers can't find help.... Workers would rather collect three hundred each week compliments of Uncle Sam.



I live in San Diego. A studio apartment can easily be $1500 per month.

$14 per hour is $2,426 per month, that leaves $926 to spend on everything else.

Per this website, cost of living for a single person, subtracting rent from the equation, is $993.



You are, if you are minimum wage in San Diego, barely scraping by. Not everyone can live with their parents, noting that most MW jobs are not held by teens but by folks over the age of 25.

In short, you are wrong, because I cannot possibly live on $300 per week in San Diego. I suspect that republican's logic is that if they pay less than a livable amount, it will give people the incentive to return to work, which it does. On that point, I do not argue with Repubs, it does give the incentive to find work, though I think $300 is cruel, it should be at least $400 ( and that is not enough to live on, either ) So your premise wanes. No one is staying home because they are getting $300 per week, which is not enough to live on here, not by a long shot.

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I live in San Diego. A studio apartment can easily be $1500 per month.

$14 per hour is $2,426 per month, that leaves $926 to spend on everything else.

Per this website, cost of living for a single person, subtracting rent from the equation, is $993.



You are, if you are minimum wage in San Diego, barely scraping by. Not everyone can live with their parents, noting that most MW jobs are not held by teens but by folks over the age of 25.

In short, you are wrong, because I cannot possibly live on $300 per week in San Diego. I suspect that republican's logic is that if they pay less than a livable amount, it will give people the incentive to return to work, which it does. On that point, I do not argue with Repubs, it does give the incentive to find work, though I think $300 is cruel, it should be at least $400 ( and that is not enough to live on, either ) So your premise wanes. No one is staying home because they are getting $300 per week, which is not enough to live on here, not by a long shot.

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My brother-in-law is a Border Patrol agent, stationed in San Diego. He's planning to retire within the next year and is looking for a place to move to, since the cost of living is so high there.
 
The cold, stark reality is that at some point, Joe will be forced to stop printing funny money.
I live in San Diego, too.
 
The US company I worked for paid employees in Canada twice as much as Americans. In my region it was three times as much.

And the Canadian operation was very profitable.
Things are always more profitable when people are paid well. History proved that point, when Unions were strong and people were paid a living progressive wages, "everything in America" profited and prospered, because the people had their earned income to expend, and currency would then circulate in and through communities and areas several times, thus creating value for the community and area as it moved to new areas to circulate.

Places like Sweden, know if they pay their people well, their people expend their money and invest their money in what makes their environments and systems and operations and business prosper and as a result their nation prospers.

Dried up small rural towns are classic example of what happens to business when people in the community can't earn and don't earn enough to patronize the business that exist... and what results is the business close and the town itself teeters on the brink of failure.
The problem in many of such rural town, is the "old heads from the past" who get in the way and fight against progress, growth and change... while the town withers and lingers on the brink of demise.

China, uplifted more than 300--400 million people out of "dire poverty" and that also means there are 300-400 million people who can now purchase and consume some of what China produces. More and more people they uplift and the better that uplift is in earned income, the more China can count on its own internal consumerism to enhance its GDP.

Ignorance and Racist Stupidity and Executive and Corporate Greed has cost America to lose 50 yrs of Growth Potential. If we look at these same factors and go back 100 yrs, we will be amazed at the what such Ignorance and Stupidity that form of White Nationalist Insanity has cost this nation and its people.

America goes about the world "denigrating nations that concern itself with uplifting its people", then it goes into killing leaders who demonstrate that it can be done. It wants no examples that it can't infect with its Colonialism and White Nationalist Agenda.
Today... Nation's are moving on from that and not allowing it to come in and damage their society or their growth and as they grow, they learn how to make liberal reforms for their people and their society.
These Nation know they can't change overnight, but they also know they can't advance themselves with the values they hold if they allow white nationalist colonialism and it's imperialist principle to come in and infect their system and its processes.

Look around ... Nation to Nation and Collections of Nations are making "Mutual Benefit Cooperative Agreements"... they are no longer taking money from Colonizers to build their systems of infrastructure where they before had to give the Colonizers influence over their politics.
They will gain more independence from such Imperialistic Colonizers as things like the AIIB and Other International Growth Promoting, Models are created.

America had better awaken and start paying people a living wage, to set the stage for new growth and new methods which helps keep American currency with value, built and supported by American people who create and build, and make our system strong in being a performer in productions, service, and commerce's within, as well as quality in our ability to export effectively within Global System. BECAUSE as the Arab's of Saudi already know... the Petro Dollar is not something that will have the power in the new age of Renewable Energy. They realized more than a decade or so that they have to diversity their economy to not be dependent solely on oil. If we'd been paying attention would would understand that, but America is afflicted with the blindness of Greed for Today, that it can't see beyond Today's obsessions of Greed.

Therefore, Fact and Truth is: America has to become productive, better educated, more innovative and uplift and modernize to make use of the latest in technology and be prepared to upgrade with the advances in tech's continual developments. It must invest in educating the young and doing so where there is no financial burden that diminishes the student who has learned the skills, information, trade and profession, and without the burden of debt, these same young people will create and build amazing things. Our Government has to be willing to support them by making a system where they can get funding, vial grants, loans and via the banking system without prohibitive interest rates.

We if we were and are away, don't have time for Party Partisan Ignorance of Republicanism declaration to block, tackle and try to defeat and deny anything and everything.
 
The cold, stark reality is that at some point, Joe will be forced to stop printing funny money.
I live in San Diego, too.
If you think your currency in your pocket is "funny money" then take it out and burn it... if not... it proves your spin is just spin.

You should have worried about money when Trump wasted so much giving tax breaks and spending like crazy to play golf and riding AF One like it was some playboy's toy.
 
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