America will find out Nov 5th if it's acceptible for a president to...

[Eriech]

If they did it would be opposed by the Republicans which is what they do whenever the Democrats propose something. The Republicans will never ever support legislation to remove the electoral college. If we did remove it, it would ensure the Republicans would be very unlikely to win a presidential election. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't believe the Republicans have won the popular vote in a couple of decades at least. (I'd look it up but that is problematic on my cell phone).

How would ending the electoral college make elections more secure? California doesn't even try to hide its electoral corruption.
Trump is on course to win the pop vote. We will see; PV is still an irrelevent metric.
Watch the sold out Madison Square Garden rally on Sunday or any of the dozen or so between now and then.

 

[EnigmaO01]

How would ending the electoral college make elections more secure? California doesn't even try to hide its electoral corruption.
Trump is on course to win the pop vote. We will see; PV is still an irrelevent metric.
Watch the sold out Madison Square Garden rally on Sunday or any of the dozen or so between now and then.

The electoral college is an antiquated system that potentially gives the election to the candidate that didn't even get the most votes. And it has happened. How secure it that when one party feels they've been cheated?

Trump may win but I seriously doubt he will win the popular vote? Why would he win the popular vote this time when he didn't last time? With the economy going gangbusters etc. why would more people vote for a candidate (Trump) that says things are really bad?

Trump is having trouble filling even smaller venues why would he fill Madison Square Gardens? And New York is not Trump friendly

 

[Eriech]

The electoral college was a revolutionary change to a antiquated process. Part of the inspired genius of the US constitution. Repealing the 17th amendment would fix some of the flaws of popularly elected Senate. Senators should represent their repective states not their party.

 

[EnigmaO01]

The electoral college was a revolutionary change to a antiquated process. Part of the inspired genius of the US constitution. Repealing the 17th amendment would fix some of the flaws of popularly elected Senate. Senators should represent their repective states not their party.

I think you need to read up on the reason for the electoral college and how antiquated it is in the modern world. I won't waste my time showing how that is the case as you would probably just deny it.

 

[Eriech]

I think you need to read up on the reason for the electoral college and how antiquated it is in the modern world. I won't waste my time showing how that is the case as you would probably just deny it.

We used to have paper ballots and one day to vote; not sure how it has improved. It has always been who counted the votes. Checks and balances used to work. The 17th amendment was one of those checks. States were represented then.

 

[braindrain]

I like that word.......femboys. It perfectly fits Walz and Commyla's hubby

Yeah such a femboy. Remind me again how many years did you serve in the Army for.

 

[EnigmaO01]

We used to have paper ballots and one day to vote; not sure how it has improved. It has always been who counted the votes. Checks and balances used to work. The 17th amendment was one of those checks. States were represented then.

Show me the evidence where "it's been who counted the votes." That's quite an insult to the poll workers that volunteer their time. And there are representatives from BOTH parties at every polling station. So stop with the who counts the votes bullshit.

 

[Paradoxical]

Yeah such a femboy. Remind me again how many years did you serve in the Army for.

I was in combat . Oh, and I was at tiananman Square. Oh, and I need tampons.

 

[braindrain]

I was in combat . Oh, and I was at tiananman Square. Oh, and I need tampons.

Yeah I am not surprised that is all you have.
Calling people, who have done more to defend this country then you could ever manage, femboys is not a good look for anyone.

But then petty jealousy of your betters makes some people say dumb things.

 

[Eriech]

Show me the evidence where "it's been who counted the votes." That's quite an insult to the poll workers that volunteer their time. And there are representatives from BOTH parties at every polling station. So stop with the who counts the votes bullshit.

I think it was Stalin who first said "who counts".
If only there were representatives from both parties. Poll watchers were kicked out in Atlanta, Philidelphia, Detroit, Milwaukee and Maricopa county and others.
Some election precincts are run very well with safegards to prevent illegal votes. It only takes one to turn off/down signature verification on mail in ballots. From memory, in the California governor recall something upwards of 25% rejection rate for petition signers. Less than 1% rejected for the previous election. Stuffing drop boxes is beyond the control of election officials. The only checks are clean voter rolls with very tight signature verification. In those cities every signature was essentially assumed legit as was every voter listed.

 

[element94]

California doesn't even try to hide its electoral corruption.

And the republican run states, and their fake electors, at least one of whom is going to prison for 9 years!

 

[Paradoxical]

Yeah I am not surprised that is all you have.
Calling people, who have done more to defend this country then you could ever manage, femboys is not a good look for anyone.

But then petty jealousy of your betters makes some people say dumb things.

So, Umm, anyone who was in the military never lies? And, like a black [person, it's hands off?

 

[Eriech]

And the republican run states, and their fake electors, at least one of whom is going to prison for 9 years!

Political prisoners in the US to be released very soon. They will be replaced with those who conspired to deny rights

 

[Cope]

How the RW media has managed to whitewash that awful day is amazing. They have convinced them they didn't see what they saw with their own eyes. Their ability to be manipulated is extraordinary.

I disagree.

The hyperbolic nature of the reporting on that day is what caused the incident to be forgotten. The continued banging of that drum has caused it be, more and less, than what it was. That doesn't have anything to do with Trump except for the rabid desire to 'get him'

He is a bad dude, maybe losing senility, and not fit for the office of the Presidency but we have really got to clean up that hyperbole. It helps no one in the end.

 

[Paradoxical]

Political prisoners in the US to be released very soon. They will be replaced with those who conspired to deny rights

I think it would be awesome that in the first hour of his presidency Trump grants full pardons to all those who were waved in by the guards on 1-6. After that he announces that Elon Musk heads a new department called DOGE (Department Of Government Efficiency) and Vivek is commissioned to personally visit every single agency, including the CIA, FBI, DOJ, DHS, etc. and observe the amount of time that government workers watch porn or talk on the phone to their life partners or even post on the DP forum during work time.

 

[Paradoxical]

I disagree.

The hyperbolic nature of the reporting on that day is what caused the incident to be forgotten. The continued banging of that drum has caused it be, more and less, than what it was.

How many people does it take to break a window?

 

[Michael Cole]

How many people does it take to break a window?

How many Trump supporters does it take to change a lightbulb?​

None. Trump says it’s changed and his supporters all cheer in the dark.

 

[element94]

Political prisoners

Bullshit! They're convicted criminals.

 

[Callen]

The hyperbolic nature of the reporting on that day is what caused the incident to be forgotten. The continued banging of that drum has caused it be, more and less, than what it was.

I vehemently disagree. This issue is critical to me in terms of defining Trump and the RW media's bias and blatant untruths of that day.

We all saw how Tucker white washed the events of that day, we saw how Fox lied and defamed Dominion as part of the scheme to undermine the election. We saw the unrelenting attack on the integrity of the election and it worked.

That doesn't have anything to do with Trump except for the rabid desire to 'get him'

It has everything to do with Trump.

Trump the President of the United States and the Commander in Chief chose to watch the violence unfold that day and do nothing to protect the Capitol and those inside fulfilling their Constitutional duties. He had the power, authority and opportunity to defend and protect the Capitol and he chose instead to allow his supporters to attack the Capitol.

 

[Flaming Capitalist]

Well you know, Trump did say peaceful and patriotic 1 time, and there is video of some capitol guards allowing some of the mob to enter without breaking doors and windows, so that means it was all ok, right?

The last thing DonOLD said to his mob was "Just remember, you have to fight like hell because if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore".

Those who fought like hell are in jail right now and trump wants to pardon them.

 

[Cope]

I vehemently disagree. This issue is critical to me in terms of defining Trump and the RW media's bias and blatant untruths of that day.

We all saw how Tucker white washed the events of that day, we saw how Fox lied and defamed Dominion as part of the scheme to undermine the election. We saw the unrelenting attack on the integrity of the election and it worked.

It has everything to do with Trump.

Trump the President of the United States and the Commander in Chief chose to watch the violence unfold that day and do nothing to protect the Capitol and those inside fulfilling their Constitutional duties. He had the power, authority and opportunity to defend and protect the Capitol and he chose instead to allow his supporters to attack the Capitol.

Were you there, or did you just 'witness it with your own eyes' based upon the reporting of the day?

Follow up: Do reporters always give you the both sides treatment or do you find them to be biased?

Was it a riot, yes absolutely. Was it an insurrection, with no weapons, or method of take over possible, no.

Yet, the media, and the liberals have pushed the second relentlessly as a means to 'get Trump'

 

[Callen]

Were you there, or did you just 'witness it with your own eyes' based upon the reporting of the day?

Follow up: Do reporters always give you the both sides treatment or do you find them to be biased?

Was it a riot, yes absolutely. Was it an insurrection, with no weapons, or method of take over possible, no.

Yet, the media, and the liberals have pushed the second relentlessly as a means to 'get Trump'

Here is what I know and it is irrefutable:

There was a violent attack on the Capitol as those inside were doing their Constitutional duty to certify the election.

The President and Commander-In-Chief watched the violence unfold and chose not to protect and defend the Capitol and those inside.

 

[Cope]

Here is what I know and it is irrefutable:

There was a violent attack on the Capitol as those inside were doing their Constitutional duty to certify the election.

The President and Commander-In-Chief watched the violence unfold and chose not to protect and defend the Capitol and those inside.

And what do you, of those you support attempt to call it? You do realize others ALSO (other than the President) watched it, right and some were right in the middle of it, and called no one until AFTER the breach (by all reports at like 1 pm, which NG arrived hours later)
The House sergeant reported to Pelosi, and the Senate sergeant reported to McConnel, ALL of whom could have made the call.

You have the two options I listed.

Regardless of the timeline, you have a group of people selling their whole world to pin it on Trump and call it an insurrection. Most others have grown tired of that schtick.

Also, I have no doubt that Trump LIKED it, but to attempt to say he orchestrated it is a bridge too far.

 

[Callen]

And what do you, of those you support attempt to call it? You do realize others ALSO (other than the President) watched it, right and some were right in the middle of it, and called no one until AFTER the breach (by all reports at like 1 pm, which NG arrived hours later)
The House sergeant reported to Pelosi, and the Senate sergeant reported to McConnel, ALL of whom could have made the call.

No action or inaction on anyone's part leading up to the 6th absolved the President of the United States and Commander-In-Chief from defending the Capitol that day as he watched the violence unfold.....he was the President.

Regardless of the timeline, you have a group of people selling their whole world to pin it on Trump and call it an insurrection. Most others have grown tired of that schtick.

Also, I have no doubt that Trump LIKED it, but to attempt to say he orchestrated it is a bridge too far.

I said nothing about him orchestrating an insurrection. It was his obligation to protect the Capitol and he chose not to. That is a violation of his oath of office and a disqualifier for the office he seeks.

 

[Cope]

No action or inaction on anyone's part leading up to the 6th absolved the President of the United States and Commander-In-Chief from defending the Capitol that day as he watched the violence unfold.....he was the President.

If you want to lay some blame on him , that's fine. And you still haven't decided if it was an insurrection? Because, personally, that is the term i find obnoxious.

I said nothing about him orchestrating an insurrection. It was his obligation to protect the Capitol and he chose not to. That is a violation of his oath of office and a disqualifier for the office he seeks.

Ok, so what do you find fault with him for?

Not acting? Do you also find fault with Pelosi and McConnel? How about the sergeant at arms?
Do those disqualify them from their jobs?