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America, which direction will it take over the next four years?

Just speaking historically. W’s dad did it but very few sitting US VP’s are ever elected and Harris tends to speak in platitudes.
Bush (41), Ford, Nixon, and LBJ were all VPs before being elected President. VPs, Governors, and Generals tend to be the most commonly elected Presidents. Senators, like JFK and Obama, fall into a very small minority who have been elected President.
 
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We are already a non-white majority. It is just that some do not realize we are all mixed race
Bush (41), Ford, Nixon, and LBJ were all VPs before being elected President. VPs, Governors, and Generals tend to be the most commonly elected Presidents. Senators, like JFK and Obama, fall into a very small minority who have been elected President.
Ford was never elected and became president through resignation. Nixon became president eight years after being VP. LBJ became president through assassination. Truman became president through Roosevelt’s fatal stroke. So in recent history, only h w Bush managed to be elected through the popular vote as a sitting US Vice President.
 
"The Democrats are horrible, and we are not Democrats."
Except that isn't exactly true. The GOP is more like the Democratic Party today than the Democrats were during the 1960s. The Democrats of the 1960s only added hundreds of billions to the National Debt, while the Republican Party has added trillions. Every federal "budget" for the last decade has passed with a veto-proof majority. Which means that between 2011 and 2020 the overwhelming majority of Republicans voted for the "budget."

The reason I keep putting "budget" in quotations is because they are not really passing a federal budget. Since 1999 Congress has not passed all twelve appropriation bills that constitutes a federal budget. Instead, both Democrats and Republicans alike have been using Continuing Resolutions, Supplemental Spending, and Omnibus bills to continue funding the federal government.

When Democrats controlled Congress and the White House between 2009 and 2010 were the only two years in the last 16 years when the Continuing Resolutions, Supplemental Spending, and Omnibus bills did not pass Congress with a veto-proof majority. So that is likely going to be the case for 2021 and 2022.

There really is no difference between Republican Party and the Democratic Party, except for a small handful of hold-out conservatives, like Sen. Cruz. Conservatives are in a distinct minority among the GOP.
 
Ford was never elected and became president through resignation. Nixon became president eight years after being VP. LBJ became president through assassination. Truman became president through Roosevelt’s fatal stroke. So in recent history, only h w Bush managed to be elected through the popular vote as a sitting US Vice President.
Truman was elected in 1948, and LBJ was elected in 1964. The fact remains that more VPs have become President than Senators, and changing the goalpost by adding additional criteria does not change that fact. You have already demonstrated twice that you have no knowledge of American history. Quit while you are only down by two.
 
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Truman was elected in 1948, and LBJ was elected in 1964. The fact remains that more VPs have become President than Senators, and changing the goalpost by adding additional criteria does not change that fact. You have already demonstrated twice that you have no knowledge of American history. Quit while you are only down by two.
I was talking about sitting US Vice Presidents being elected. Surely you understood this.
 
Liz Cheney is what I consider an old time republican, with old time ideas in my opinion. Listening to her I hear the same old republican planks, lower taxes, smaller, less intrusive government and how the gop is much more fiscally responsible than the democrats. They promise the moon if we can only slay the dreaded socialist, marxist, leninist, communist libs who with the help of the deep state keep this country from fulfilling its promise. In the interview I did not hear her say yes indeed Trump's big lie has anything to do with all of these voter suppression laws the gop is forwarding. That's exactly the kind of old time republican I never cared for. At least she has the integrity to stand up and defend the oath she took to the constitution.

Sadly her kind are few. Now the gop is what? I have no clue and it seems like most others don't know either. One thing I am certain of, democracy in their eyes no longer works.

I think their plan is what they are showing us but we're not paying attention, we laugh and say how insane it is with this 'audit' in arizona. Will we the citizens of america allow our current minority party demand recounts and audits and deny the results of an election any time they don't agree with the results? Worse yet, pass laws that allow the state politicians over rule your vote and the vote of the electorate if they don't like the result.

Is this the kind of america you want to live in if the republicans win any election?

And the alternative is to watch democrats waste trillions on their so called infrastructure programs that offer no proof of accountability on how the money is actually being used down to the street level.

Lining the pockets of cronies.

More waste.

More fraud.
 
The GOP has figured out that treating the opposition as the enemy is a platform in and of itself. It’s only a matter of time before the people turn on the Democratic Party.

It’s the zero sum game of politics...
 
I think they will run on US Democratic overreach.
And if the US Democrats pack the court their fate is sealed politically.
But fomenting and instigating an insurrection and coddling those that did won't sink the GOP? Forcing the winners of elections to prove that they won fairly when the losers have not been able to prove that the winners did not win absurd extent of things like the Arizona fake audit won't come back to bite the GOP? Ah-huh

What happens to those GOP candidates that won in 2020. Do they have to give up their seats based on whack-a-doodle fake audits. Here, let me answer that question myself. OF COURSE NOT. Which immediately damns this whole silly process to the absurd illogic FRAUD that it deserves.

We are headed for the end folks. Go look at the places where democracy has died and see how or even if they ever recovered. But I am dead certain a whole bunch of you simply do not care about taking down the Republic as long as you get your sick, decrepit debauched vision of a country you want to live in met.

Two things will come back to haunt all of us, Right, Left, Center, Donkey or Elephant or neither:
- Benjamin Franklin, "Its a Republic if you can keep it"
- Winston Churchill, Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.…’

I got a better idea Righties since you are so obviously pushing us over the cliff edge. Just GO somewhere, write your own founding documents and knock your minds out.
 
More Big Government is the future.
Republicans are never going to do anything about that and Democrats are all for it.
 
It will be difficult to say until all Covid restrictions are lifted for a year or more. Right now, economically and socially the US is in stagnation. Political unrest, increased violence in many larger cities could be blamed on over a year of lockdowns or a lack of political will to enforce laws. Once thriving locations may be hurt for years or even a decade. The issue isn't one of GOP vs. DNC, because they are mostly the same, taking the same roads and political paths, just at a different speed. It looks to me as if the Republic is deteriorating - economically, socially, racially; the cultural upheaval, different from civil rights in the 1960's, is a calling card of the eventual demise. Many will applaud the death of the great experiment. I do not.
It is all about the R's and their drive to go over the cliff. This blaming both parties stuff is bullcrap. The republican party for years was and still is the party of the wealthy and big business. The wealthy and big business don't want to pay their fair share of taxes. Socially and racially, america is waking up to the sad facts our country is designed to keep social issues and racial issues on the back burner and basically ignore the plight of those without. The republicans are wonderful about saying no to social programs that actually help people. The gop would rather we spend money on war and weapons of war. I also noticed you did not mention at all the craziness of the current gop. It's the republican party who wants to kill democracy in america, nobody else.
 
Republicans will regain the House in '22, and possibly the Senate as well. The won't win the White House in '24 if Trump runs, but they may if Trump backs DeSantis or someone similar.

Due to a myriad of factors, we will continue to have the minority party dictate to the majority of the populace. The minority party will have to get crazier and more subterfuge-ous, in order to prevail. This will cause no end to the current acrimony, and it will likely get worse. Republicans have lost the popular vote in 6 of the last 7 Presidential elections, and I do not expect that to change. In fact, their popular vote loses will likely grow. Yet through many electoral idiosyncrasies, they will remain competitive in attaining office..
I disagree. I do not think the gop will win the house or the white house next election cycle. They are crazy and they are loud but how do they get past a general election? We can be assured gop supporters will vote for folks like Marjorie Q but will she make it out of the general election? I say no. America is fed up with trump and anyone whose antics match trump. We booted him after one term, what makes you or anyone else think continuing the crazy will get them elected?
 
Well it all hinges on the senate. If mitch can continue to block the democrats from accomplishing anything then democrats will be disillusioned and will be hard to fire up for 2022.

If the democrats man up and get the job done including voter reform then they have a chance to root out Republicans in congress.

America is at a crossroads. Do we want to continue down the republican path of plutocracy or do we wish to return control to "We the People"
 
And the alternative is to watch democrats waste trillions on their so called infrastructure programs that offer no proof of accountability on how the money is actually being used down to the street level.

Lining the pockets of cronies.

More waste.

More fraud.
Money, lol. Like it's your money paying for everything. I don't recall the right being outraged during the W administration where they took briefcases full of money to iraq and nobody seems to know where it went. W borrowed and spent for his war, no problem say the R's. Every single thing every gop politician has told you about the dreaded libs has never come true. Jobs don't get destroyed and sent overseas. The economy doesn't crash and the country doesn't become a socialist heaven. But hey, if it makes you feel better, keep repeating the same old crap.
 
Money, lol. Like it's your money paying for everything. I don't recall the right being outraged during the W administration where they took briefcases full of money to iraq and nobody seems to know where it went. W borrowed and spent for his war, no problem say the R's. Every single thing every gop politician has told you about the dreaded libs has never come true. Jobs don't get destroyed and sent overseas. The economy doesn't crash and the country doesn't become a socialist heaven. But hey, if it makes you feel better, keep repeating the same old crap.

The trumpers know nothing but what the see in their right wing propaganda news sources!

They have no ability to separate fact from fiction or rhetoric from actions.
 
But fomenting and instigating an insurrection and coddling those that did won't sink the GOP? Forcing the winners of elections to prove that they won fairly when the losers have not been able to prove that the winners did not win absurd extent of things like the Arizona fake audit won't come back to bite the GOP? Ah-huh

What happens to those GOP candidates that won in 2020. Do they have to give up their seats based on whack-a-doodle fake audits. Here, let me answer that question myself. OF COURSE NOT. Which immediately damns this whole silly process to the absurd illogic FRAUD that it deserves.

We are headed for the end folks. Go look at the places where democracy has died and see how or even if they ever recovered. But I am dead certain a whole bunch of you simply do not care about taking down the Republic as long as you get your sick, decrepit debauched vision of a country you want to live in met.

Two things will come back to haunt all of us, Right, Left, Center, Donkey or Elephant or neither:
- Benjamin Franklin, "Its a Republic if you can keep it"
- Winston Churchill, Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.…’

I got a better idea Righties since you are so obviously pushing us over the cliff edge. Just GO somewhere, write your own founding documents and knock your minds out.
During the 1960s, it appeared that right wing politics was done.
One thing both wings in the United States consistently do is view any large swing to their side as a permanent mandate.
It is never in the interest of either US political party to control the executive and legislative branches.
It is all on the US Democrats now and they will have no one to blame if anything goes wrong.
This is the huge flaw in a two party system.
And this is why I support parliamentary government. I belong to a conservative political party here and our voices are necessarily heard every time a government has to be formed.
The US winner take all system effectively silences dissent from whichever party happens to lose an election .
 
During the 1960s, it appeared that right wing politics was done.
One thing both wings in the United States consistently do is view any large swing to their side as a permanent mandate.
It is never in the interest of either US political party to control the executive and legislative branches.
It is all on the US Democrats now and they will have no one to blame if anything goes wrong.
This is the huge flaw in a two party system.
And this is why I support parliamentary government. I belong to a conservative political party here and our voices are necessarily heard every time a government has to be formed.
The US winner take all system effectively silences dissent from whichever party happens to lose an election .
At this rate there will be no winners because there will be no Republic and no Democracy left. I don't view what is happening now as a permanent mandate of any sort.

There is absolutely, positively no guarantee that the Republic or Democracy survives. In fact, historically Republics don't remain republics and become either pseudo-Republics or adopt some sort of outright, balls out Autocracy. Democracies don't have much success either becoming pseudo-Democracies or again adopting some sort of outright balls out Autocracy. There is absolutely nothing that guarantees this Republic or Democracy survives other than the preponderance of its people demanding that it survive. It has been a long long LONG TIME since a preponderance of our people demanded the survival of either.
 
At this rate there will be no winners because there will be no Republic and no Democracy left. I don't view what is happening now as a permanent mandate of any sort.

There is absolutely, positively no guarantee that the Republic or Democracy survives. In fact, historically Republics don't remain republics and become either pseudo-Republics or adopt some sort of outright, balls out Autocracy. Democracies don't have much success either becoming pseudo-Democracies or again adopting some sort of outright balls out Autocracy. There is absolutely nothing that guarantees this Republic or Democracy survives other than the preponderance of its people demanding that it survive. It has been a long long LONG TIME since a preponderance of our people demanded the survival of either.
I finally had it and left.
I honestly don’t know what the US stands for any longer.
 
getting rid of the filibuster will come back to bite the Democraps in the ass-just as Harry Reid's nonsense is the reason why Barrett and Kavanaugh are on the supreme court

It won't bite Democrats in the ass.

Democrats have nothing to lose at this point. Because when the fascist Trump Cult Republican Party obtains power again in 2022, they will NEVER give it up. Jan 6 proved that.
 
It won't bite Democrats in the ass.

Democrats have nothing to lose at this point. Because when the fascist Trump Cult Republican Party obtains power again in 2022, they will NEVER give it up. Jan 6 proved that.
I love this sort of hysterical anger from the far left. It is wonderful.
 
I love this sort of hysterical anger from the far left. It is wonderful.

It's not hysterical. That is EXACTLY what will happen in 2024. The Republican Party will steal the 2024 Presidential election, just like when 147 Republican traitors voted on Jan 6 to overturn the election in PA.

The Republican Party has given up on democracy. That is plainly obvious.
 
It's not hysterical. That is EXACTLY what will happen in 2024. The Republican Party will steal the 2024 Presidential election, just like when 147 Republican traitors voted on Jan 6 to overturn the election in PA.

The Republican Party has given up on democracy. That is plainly obvious.
the sky is falling the sky is falling!!!!
 
the sky is falling the sky is falling!!!!

Do you approve of what those 147 Republican traitors did on Jan 6? Voting to overturn the election results in PA with absolutely zero evidence of voter fraud?

Do you agree with what the seditious Trump supporting mob did on Jan 6?
 
America will destabilize to the point where elections will be meaningless by 2024 at the latest. More likely by 2022.
 
Do you approve of what those 147 Republican traitors did on Jan 6? Voting to overturn the election results in PA with absolutely zero evidence?

Do you agree with what the seditious Trump supporting mob did on Jan 6?

This are questions with binary solution sets. If he whatabouts it, then the answers are "yes."
 
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