America Was NOT Founded On Christian Principles

[Gordy327]

Evangelicals are actually concerned for the people GOD is going to leave behind someday ------ likely sooner than later. Between the wars and rumors of wars, and the plagues (now it's the Monkey pox), and the considerations surrounding global warming (some just don't get any connection), and the volcanic eruptions, and the various concerns for comets & asteroids, and the terrible earthquakes, and the terrible drought in the California region, and the seemingly mindless mass murders, and the peculiar regard for one's gender title, and impossible marriages and all the millions of aborted children by unwed mothers. All of this is explicitly written in the Bible as Birth Pains for the coming end times.

Because none of things has happened before, right?

 

[Gordy327]

What I mean is that a passage can have more than one meaning but both must be correct/complimentary.

Then it's not truly black and white.

This is true. But remember, both must be plausible without contradicting any other portion of Scripture for both to be correct.

You're starting with the assumption your version of scripture is the correct one. As do many other religions with theirs. So again, what makes your version correct over others?

One proves Atheism by proving at the very least that biological LIFE, and not just some chemicals can originate from inert substances. This is the key. Without this, there is no other way biological life came to be from the beginning.

THat's not atheism. That's science.

The Jews/Hebrews (Abram from Ur of the Chaldeans) were not chosen because they were perfect, but because GOD wanted to. GOD wanted a representation of the human race through which HE would bring SALVATION to this lost world.

THat renders the "Holy Spirit" rather meaningless then, if god can choose whom he wants.

Well, there are Jews for JESUS for one thing.

So? In what way does that make you the expert?

They are completely of Jewish decent and background who have come to the saving knowledge of JESUS the MESSIAH (much like the CHURCH fathers). So, not only are there GENTILES who believe in JESUS and study the scriptures, but there are JEWS who have come to the realization of JESUS (who also study the scriptures and surprisingly see how even the Jewish Festivals fit in--- which also helps the gentiles understand), and through the study of the OLD TESTAMENT in Hebrew and Greek I might add.

So they essentially converted. Big deal. Popularity does not automatically confer expertise or correctness.

Most unsaved JEWS today are under the impression that the MESSIAH is only for them and will reign as their monarch of the line of David. I also believe the MESSIAH shall return and reign for 1000 years upon the throne of David;

All still mere belief. So back to the first question: what makes you correct and others not?

however, HE will reign over the entire planet and with the CHURCH which shall return with HIM after the RAPTURE and the 7 Year TRIBULTION PERIOD (also known a the TIME OF JACOB's TROUBLE).

Not all denominations believe in the rapture. Back to the first question again.

Gordy, I give you this information that you may look it up for yourself and perhaps reconsider your position. I'm not trying to mass with your brain; however, you are getting a lot of information here for someone who doesn't believe in GOD.

I am familiar with religious stories and claims, thanks. Belief has no bearing on that. I am simply unconvinced by such stories and claims without evidence. Neither do I make any assumption of one belief being more correct than another.

 

[devildavid]

Maybe not in your circle of religious people... But lets use another that basically means the same thing. There are the BORN-AGAIN and those that are not. And clearly JESUS such a term albeit likely in Aramaic. I'm sure GOD regards me a somewhat slow, but then HE isn't looking for know-it-alls to prove anything ---- read about Moses in Exodus.

Born again is another made up thing that is not relevant to religious belief. There are not those who are not born again as religion does not recognize it as real.

 

[Gordy327]

Born again is another made up thing that is not relevant to religious belief. There are not those who are not born again as religion does not recognize it as real.

It's just something Christians likely came up with to make them seem more special or show off they have another convert.

 

[LittleNipper]

It's just something Christians likely came up with to make them seem more special or show off they have another convert.

John 3:1-21 JESUS speaks with the Jewish Pharisee named Nicodemus, a member of the Jewish ruling council

1Now there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a member of the Jewish ruling council.2He came to Jesus at night and said, "Rabbi, we know you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the miraculous signs you are doing if God were not with him."3In reply Jesus declared, "I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again. "4"How can a man be born when he is old?" Nicodemus asked. "Surely he cannot enter a second time into his mother's womb to be born!"5Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit.6Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.7You should not be surprised at my saying, `You must be born again.'8The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit."9"How can this be?" Nicodemus asked.10"You are Israel's teacher," said Jesus, "and do you not understand these things?11I tell you the truth, we speak of what we know, and we testify to what we have seen, but still you people do not accept our testimony.12I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things?13No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven--the Son of Man. 14Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the desert, so the Son of Man must be lifted up,15that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life. 16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.17For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.18Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son. 19This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.20Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.21But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God."

 

[Rich2018]

It was a joke, a play on words. Think of a type of orange.

Jaffa.

 

[Gordy327]

John 3:1-21 JESUS speaks with the Jewish Pharisee named Nicodemus, a member of the Jewish ruling council

1Now there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a member of the Jewish ruling council.2He came to Jesus at night and said, "Rabbi, we know you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the miraculous signs you are doing if God were not with him."3In reply Jesus declared, "I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again. "4"How can a man be born when he is old?" Nicodemus asked. "Surely he cannot enter a second time into his mother's womb to be born!"5Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit.6Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.7You should not be surprised at my saying, `You must be born again.'8The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit."9"How can this be?" Nicodemus asked.10"You are Israel's teacher," said Jesus, "and do you not understand these things?11I tell you the truth, we speak of what we know, and we testify to what we have seen, but still you people do not accept our testimony.12I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things?13No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven--the Son of Man. 14Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the desert, so the Son of Man must be lifted up,15that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life. 16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.17For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.18Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son. 19This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.20Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.21But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God."

Way too much proselytizing word salad.

 

[LittleNipper]

Because none of things has happened before, right?

Certainly not as often and in a quickening succession, and seemingly everywhere at once. It's like saying that the Krakatoa eruption was common place. It is almost like nature is waging war.

 

[Gordy327]

Certainly not as often and in a quickening succession, and seemingly everywhere at once. It's like saying that the Krakatoa eruption was common place. It is almost like nature is waging war.

No, nothing has significantly changed. Natural phenomenon has always occurred. We simply have the ability to know about it more around the planet. I suppose to some that might seem like things are happening more often. But these things are easily tracked and quantified. If anything, it's humans waging war on nature. That's more likely a cause for any change.

 

[Lisa]

Certainly not as often and in a quickening succession, and seemingly everywhere at once. It's like saying that the Krakatoa eruption was common place. It is almost like nature is waging war.

Krakotoa was very predictable. "The ring of fire", Google it. Its not about hemorrhoids.

 

[HangLow]

Crime is lower today than it was then

Christianity is a death cult​

​

 

[HangLow]

​

 

[Rumpel]

​

​

That is a mis-understandig of the original meaning.