America, does it make you feel warm and fuzzy inside when you see Nazi flags in front of Disney, along with DeSantis flags?

[Yes_Minister]

Jew hating isn't a conservative value. Jesus was a Jew. Define conservative and we'll go from there.

Tell that to the people who use the term Globalist rather freely on this site, they define themselves as conservatives.


Conservatives are people who believe in social hierarchies and will use all means to enforce them. Social Conservativism and anti-Semitistism both have social hierarchies as a goal.

 

[NolanVoyd]

One more time: Define conservativism.

One more time.

They weren't liberals. They call themselves conservatives.

If they aren't conservative then you need to man up and clean house.

Own it.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Oh my god.

Your excuses are like a childs.

In ally honesty, I've run across young children that can debate better than you. Have a good one.

 

[NolanVoyd]

In ally honesty, I've run across young children that can debate better than you. Have a good one.

Lol.

Says the guy getting his ass handed to him

See post 127.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Tell that to the people who use the term Globalist rather freely on this site, they define themselves as conservatives.

Better yet, you tell them that I want to have a discussion with them and we can discuss what a conservative is.

Conservatives are people who believe in social hierarchies and will use all means to enforce them. Social Conservativism and anti-Semitistism both have social hierarchies as a goal.

You've given your definition of conservative; sorry, but it's wrong. A conservative is someone that "conserves" Judeo-Chrisitan doctrine, including laws and culture.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Lol.

Says the guy getting his ass handed to him

See post 127.

Again, have a nice day and if you ever want a tip or two on debating, I'm here to help you.

 

[D_NATURED]

Im not sure what is more destuctive to our a country...handful of garbage holding nazi flags or 81 million retards that voted for a corrupt piece of shit and that also supported the weaponizing of the DOJ in targeting political opponents for 7 years.

Seven years? Did a fascist break a mirror or something? Who is that?

Those NAZI garbage, you understand, are only choosing the wrong SYMBOLOGY for your liking. Their philosophy is closer to Trump's than you'd ever imagine. It still remains christian, conservative and bigoted. Whether the gays and trans folk should be merely banned out of existence or fed in to ovens is a separate conversation for later. The important thing is that you share the "moral" foundation.

The NAZIs weren't there accidentally, you know, and the fact that you call them "garbage" doesn't diminish your intellectual proximity to that very garbage.

Wait...Im DEFINTELY sure...and its NOT the handful of racist morons...its the 81 million retards and the policies and devastation the rat party they support are wreaking on the country, our future, and our nations children.

No, look away from the racist morons! Look away! They are irrelevant to a party that legislates bigotry on the regular, right?

Is it a racist future you want for the children? Is it a homophobic future you want for them? Dude, quit using children to excuse your own childishness. We- those like you and I who are adults- are expected to act like grownups. And, in case you were too busy dreaming of heaven, the world is evolving in its attitudes toward the sort of authoritarian theocracy being promoted by some Republicans. As such, we adults must be honest with ourselves and agree that they, the oppressed, have a point.

We don't get to throw the first stone, judging them for who they have sex with or, generally, not being who the rigid theocrats demand them to be, in a country with "free religion". If someone says they're gay, or trans or whatever here, you can't reasonably say, "No you're not. God wouldn't make an abomination." without everyone who heard it rightfully considering you a giant dick. That's the point. Mores evolve but rigid bible-thumpers don't. And, even if you just THINK that way and don't say it, you're just a dick on the DL. Only slightly better because you're quiet, but you still vote the same.

 

[NolanVoyd]

Again, have a nice day and if you ever want a tip or two on debating, I'm here to help you

So no response to post 127?

You are running away?

Conceding?

 

[Peter]

You mean "white culture enthusiasts", aren't very fine people?

I wonder at what point in life do you wake up and decide that being seen in public with huge Nazi flags is a good thing to do that day?
It's not exactly going to win you any new friends and will most likely get you fired from any job that has a shred of decency.

I really don't understand.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

So no response to post 127?
One more time.

They weren't liberals. They call themselves conservatives.

I expose libertarians every day for calling themselves conservative. Someone can call themselves anything that they want, but that doesn't mean that they represent that movement.

Here's an example: Do "gay"christians" represent the teachings of Jesus Christ and His Father?

You are running away?

Conceding?

Conceding that you most likely won't give a basis for what defines conservatism? Yes.

 

[NolanVoyd]

I expose libertarians every day for calling themselves conservative. Someone can call themselves anything that they want, but that doesn't mean that they represent that movement.

Here's an example: Do "gay"christians" represent the teachings of Jesus Christ and His Father?


Conceding that you most likely won't give a basis for what defines conservatism? Yes.

Lol.

Your grasping at straws.

Do the honorable thing. Own it. If you care about the conservative movement, clean house. I will support your efforts.

If you can't do that you own it. If you start cleaning house I will have your back.

 

[Yes_Minister]

Better yet, you tell them that I want to have a discussion with them and we can discuss what a conservative is

Why don't you do that, they are pretty easy to find here. Just look at any of Mycroft's posts.

You've given your definition of conservative; sorry, but it's wrong. A conservative is someone that "conserves" Judeo-Chrisitan doctrine, including laws and culture.

That involves social hierarchies. The Nazis didn't just kill Jews, they sent gay people to the camps as well. There was an actual institute that studied trans people in Weimar Republic and the Nazis burned to the ground:

Institut für Sexualwissenschaft - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Hitler was a Social Conservative:

Kinder, Küche, Kirche - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

The fact is medieval Christians branded Jews as "Christ Killers" for centuries. The Nazis took old religion based anti-Semitism and gave it a pseudo science justification. For centuries most Christians treated Jews as enemies, that only changed after WW2.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Lol.

Your grasping at straws.

Do the honorable thing. Own it. If you care about the conservative movement, clean house. I will support your efforts.

If you can't do that you own it. If you start cleaning house I will have your back.

It sounds like you're running away from some very simple questions that I've asked.

Let's review:

What do the inbreds that worship Adolf Hitler who were protesting oustide of Disney have in common with Ron DeSantis? I'll make it easy for you and just ask for one, (1) example.

What is the basis for conservatism? Is it conserving Judeo-Christian doctrine on human sexuality, on life, on culture? If not that, then what is it?

I could ask more, but why waste internet bandwith knowing that I won't get an answer from the two questions that I've already asked?

 

[Peter]

European conservatism is nothing like US conservatism these days.
UK conservatives are considered heartless bastards in the UK but they're nowhere near as right wing as US conservatives.
They're closer to the US democrats than the Republicans.

 

[NolanVoyd]

It sounds like you're running away from some very simple questions that I've asked.

Let's review:

What do the inbreds that worship Adolf Hitler who were protesting oustide of Disney have in common with Ron DeSantis? I'll make it easy for you and just ask for one, (1) example.

What is the basis for conservatism? Is it conserving Judeo-Christian doctrine on human sexuality, on life, on culture? If not that, then what is it?

I could ask more, but why waste internet bandwith knowing that I won't get an answer from the two questions that I've already asked?

Your dodging.

Own the fact that the vast majority of racists now, and throughout history, were conservatives.

Saying 'well they weren't REALLY conservatives" is a dodge.

If so you have some house cleaning to do.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Why don't you do that, they are pretty easy to find here. Just look at any of Mycroft's posts.

You brought them up, just mention my name in passing. I can be found at the Ron DeSantis for President 2024 thread daily.

That involves social hierarchies. The Nazis didn't just kill Jews, they sent gay people to the camps as well. There was an actual institute that studied trans people in Weimar Republic and the Nazis burned to the ground:

Why is it that people like you always forget that the Nazi's murdereed Catholic Priests and Chrisian Pastors as well?

That doesn't sound conservative to me.

Hitler was a Social Conservative:

On what basis are you using conservative? Mass murder isn't a conservative value. Besides, Hitler and most if not all of his SS were homosexuals who hated effeminate homosexuals, hence their murder.

The fact is medieval Christians branded Jews as "Christ Killers" for centuries. The Nazis took old religion based anti-Semitism and gave it a pseudo science justification. For centuries most Christians treated Jews as enemies, that only changed after WW2.

I'm not sure why Christians would treat Jews as enemies. Jesus was a Jew who was born so that He would die on the Cross to save those who repented their sins and accepted Him as their Lord and Savior. If these supposed "Christians" knew anything about Holy Scripture, they would know that Jesus was born to die, and that several groups of people and individuals played into God's Plan.

 

[Yes_Minister]

It sounds like you're running away from some very simple questions that I've asked.

Let's review:

What do the inbreds that worship Adolf Hitler who were protesting oustide of Disney have in common with Ron DeSantis? I'll make it easy for you and just ask for one, (1) example.

What is the basis for conservatism? Is it conserving Judeo-Christian doctrine on human sexuality, on life, on culture? If not that, then what is it?

I could ask more, but why waste internet bandwith knowing that I won't get an answer from the two questions that I've already asked?

I gave you an answer, you just didn't like it. Conservatism is about enforcement of social hierarchies, both DeSantis and those Neo Nazis believe in the same social hierarchies, it's what they have in common.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Your dodging.

Own the fact that the vast majority of racists now, and throughout history, were conservatives.

Saying 'well they weren't REALLY conservatives" is a dodge.

If so you have some house cleaning to do.

Either they were or weren't conservative. If you want to define what a conservative is, then please do. Just saying that you're one doesn't cut it.

 

[NolanVoyd]

Either they were or weren't conservative. If you want to define what a conservative is, then please do. Just saying that you're one doesn't cut it.

They called themselves conservatives and still do. They were part of the conservative politics of their times (including now). If you say they don't belong in the conservative movement then stop making excuses and clean house.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

I gave you an answer, you just didn't like it. Conservatism is about enforcement of social hierarchies, both DeSantis and those Neo Nazis believe in the same social hierarchies, it's what they have in common.

Social hierarchies?

I've never heard that one before:

Generally, social hierarchies group people based on factors like wealth, race, education level, jobs, and overall social standing. For instance, people in the United States are often divided into groups based on wealth, including capitalistic, upper middle, working, and working poor classes.

What Is a Social Hierarchy?

Hierarchy exists everywhere, from the animal kingdom to human society. Learn more about social hierarchy.

www.reference.com

I'll leave you (and your make believe world) to list things that make Ron DeSantis a supporter of "social hierarchies".

 

[Yes_Minister]

You brought them up, just mention my name in passing. I can be found at the Ron DeSantis for President 2024 thread daily.

Look up Mycroft, I just gave you a name.

Why is it that people like you always forget that the Nazi's murdereed Catholic Priests and Chrisian Pastors as well?

That doesn't sound conservative to me.

So what? Most of the political prisoners in the camps were leftists:

Political Prisoners

Hitler's political opponents were the first victims of systematic Nazi persecution. They were incarcerated without trial and under conditions of great cruelty.

encyclopedia.ushmm.org

Sure, a few conservatives spoke out against Hitler and Hitler killed them. But most conservatives supported Hitler because they thought he would fight against Marxism and were mad about losing WW1.

On what basis are you using conservative? Mass murder isn't a conservative value. Besides, Hitler and mllost if not all of his SS were homosexuals who hated effeminate homosexuals, hence their murder.

That sounds like something you made up, especially since the Nazis killed gay people:

Gay Men under the Nazi Regime

The Nazi regime carried out a campaign against male homosexuality and persecuted gay men between 1933 and 1945.

encyclopedia.ushmm.org

Persecution of homosexuals in Nazi Germany - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

I'm not sure why Christians would treat Jews as enemies. Jesus was a Jew who was born so that He would die on the Cross to save those who repented their sins and accepted Him as their Lord and Savior. If these supposed "Christians" knew anything about Holy Scripture, they would know that Jesus was born to die, and that several groups of people and individuals played into God's Plan.

Look up how medieval Christians treated Jews, it's not pretty.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

They called themselves conservatives and still do. They were part of the conservative politics of their times (including now). If you say they don't belong in the conservative movement then stop making excuses and clean house.

I guess you missed the twenty previous comments that I've made on this topic:

They can call themselves anything that they want, but that doesn't mean that they are.

I'll leave you to list things that Ron DeSantis and his administration, the Florida Legislature, and the people of Florida who voted them in , have in common with Nazis.

Since you won'tdo it, again, have a nice day.

 

[Yes_Minister]

Social hierarchies?

I've never heard that one before:

Generally, social hierarchies group people based on factors like wealth, race, education level, jobs, and overall social standing. For instance, people in the United States are often divided into groups based on wealth, including capitalistic, upper middle, working, and working poor classes.

What Is a Social Hierarchy?

Hierarchy exists everywhere, from the animal kingdom to human society. Learn more about social hierarchy.

www.reference.com

I'll leave you (and your make believe world) to list things that make Ron DeSantis a supporter of "social hierarchies".

Okay, does conservative small government ideology apply to LGBT people or not? That is a social hierarchy, conservatives believe the power of the state should be used to control LGBT people.

Also the conservative law and order agenda seems to come down harder on black people than white people. How many conservatives demanded police reform after the deaths of Philando Castile or Tamir Rice or any other black person gunned down by the cops for the slightest infraction?

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Look up Mycroft, I just gave you a name.

I'll be sure to ask him what is defintion of conservative is if I ever run across him here.

So what? Most of the political prisoners in the camps were leftists:

Jews, ie. a religion and ethnic people who embrace the teachings of God as seen in the Old Testament, are hardly "leftists".

Sure, a few conservatives spoke out against Hitler and Hitler killed them. But most conservatives supported Hitler because they thought he would fight against Marxism and were mad about losing WW1.

Define conservative.

That sounds like something you made up, especially since the Nazis killed gay people:

The history of homosexuals murdering other homosexuals isn't a pretty one.

Look up how medieval Christians treated Jews, it's not pretty.

If you can show that murder is a Christian value, then you'd have a point.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Okay, does conservative small government ideology apply to LGBT people or not? That is a social hierarchy, conservatives believe the power of the state should be used to control LGBT people.

As the LGBT movement uses the power of government to support their cause. Surely you're not that naiive into believing that homosexuals don't vote?

Also the conservative law and order agenda seems to come down harder on black people than white people.

You can thank your fellow leftists for destroying the black family unit and thus the children not having a father in the home and turning to drugs and crime.

How many conservatives demanded police reform after the deaths of Philando Castile or Tamir Rice or any other black person gunned down by the cops for the slightest infraction?

You forgot St. Michael Brown, St. Trayvon Martin, and St. George Floyd.

Why do you leftists always embrace the criminal element of society? Why the hatred of police? I know why, cuz they used to raid your faviorite NYC bar.