Am I getting this correct?

[Moot]

I thought we were talking about impeachment.

In any case, that judge is entitled to his ruling...but it is being appealed. We'll see how it goes.

I think we're talking about presidential immunity and being above the law.

 

[Mycroft]

I think we're talking about presidential immunity and being above the law.

From the OP: "Nobody has the right to ask the president or one of his cronies anything. Or, putting it another way, the president has the absolute power to tell everyone to go screw themselves he doesn't have to listen to anyone or abide by any law."

The only people Trump has told to "go screw themselves" are the House Dems who are perverting the impeachment process.

 

[Craig234]

It's an idea of a "unitary executive" they bring out only for Republican presidents. They're dictators not to be put under the law or investigation. For Democrats, Congress has great authority over the president. Yes, they're completely hypocritical.]

Like a lot of problems, it began a lot with Nixon, as shown in his infamous, 'if the president does it, that means it's not illegal'.

 

[Moot]

They are "hollering" about a lot of things. And guess what..."due process" is included in impeachment proceedings.

It might be included in the Senate trial but not for a House inquiry on impeachment.

Does the president have the right to due process or to confront his accusers?

The answer here is again no. Impeachment is political.

"This isn't a trial," Brettschneider says." It's not a criminal justice process, for instance."

He adds, "It's not a question of reasonable doubt or even whether a crime has been committed, but rather about a kind of abuse of power. And the way of determining that is also left to the House and to the speaker." ..."

"The whole point of impeachment is that it's not a criminal proceeding," he says, "and that the House is basically acting more like a grand jury than the actual criminal trial."

The House "probably could make a few more accommodations to the president," he says, "but that's, again, a matter of legislative grace."....

Who Sets The Rules? When Is It Real? And Other Big Questions On Impeachment : NPR​

 

[Moot]

It's an idea of a "unitary executive" they bring out only for Republican presidents. They're dictators not to be put under the law or investigation. For Democrats, Congress has great authority over the president. Yes, they're completely hypocritical.]

Like a lot of problems, it began a lot with Nixon, as shown in his infamous, 'if the president does it, that means it's not illegal'.

That's what Cheney thougt, too. He also worked for Nixon.

 

[Trump]

Yet she had the guts to testify before Repugs in Congress about bull**** Benghazi for 11 hours. Something your ***** hero Trump is too chicken **** to do.

what difference does it make?

 

[Stealers Wheel]

No, that's not correct.

You should stop watching TV and do two things:

Read the letter that Trump sent to Pelosi. White House Letter - Impeachment Group | United States House Of Representatives | Due Process Clause

Read the White House background outline. Subject: Background Press Call on Letter to the House of Representatives

These two resources will give you the exact position of Trump and his administration with no spin from talking potato heads.

Are you saying Trump doesn't have absolute power to tell Congress to F off?

Bullsxx! He absolutely does, and you ought to be ashamed of yourself for even suggesting otherwise.

Seriously, where do you think the line is drawn? What could Trump do (hypothetically) that you think he could be held accountable by Congress? They have no police force. They have no court. They have no DOJ. Trump and will do whatever he wants, whenever he wants, to whomever he wants. Who do you think can stop him?

 

[horuscope42]

No, that's not correct.

You should stop watching TV and do two things:

Read the letter that Trump sent to Pelosi. White House Letter - Impeachment Group | United States House Of Representatives | Due Process Clause

Read the White House background outline. Subject: Background Press Call on Letter to the House of Representatives

These two resources will give you the exact position of Trump and his administration with no spin from talking potato heads.

Trump seems to think that he is in the middle of a trial, he is not. But fret not, that part will surely come. That will be after the investigation, which is pretty much what an Impeachment is, especially at this stage of an Impeachment Inquiry. Trump has no due process in this inquiry because it's not a trial (he may be thinking about the trial to come in the Senate, but that would require thought). The House extended invitations to State and White House employees to meet with congress and in response Trump has basically said, thanks, but no thanks and stopped those employees from testifying and in essence stated they will no longer comply with the impeachment investigation until put to a vote. He has no legal grounds for this, even if Pelosi has NOT put an impeachment inquiry to a vote in the House. It is not required by the constitution or House rules, but what is required is complying with a subpoena.

So this is what will happen next. Sundland has been issued a subpoena for the 16th, if he chooses not to comply, the House is well within its rights to fine or hold Sundland in contempt (preferably behind bars). That goes for anyone else who decides not to comply with a House subpoena. Furthermore, this last minute stonewalling by the White House, and future attempts at it will most likely be considered obstruction of justice and included into the Articles of Impeachment, which alone, are grounds enough for impeachment.

I'm just trying to wrap my head around the logic that if you swear on your innocence, why not let one of the key figures in this mess go to the Hill and clear your name of wrongdoing? Why risk the threat of more crimes without even getting the chance to have your name exonerated? Probably because Trump has entered the 6th dimension of political chess and the rest of us are just too dumb to understand his "very large..aah-brain."

 

[Moot]

From the OP: "Nobody has the right to ask the president or one of his cronies anything. Or, putting it another way, the president has the absolute power to tell everyone to go screw themselves he doesn't have to listen to anyone or abide by any law."

The only people Trump has told to "go screw themselves" are the House Dems who are perverting the impeachment process.

Hardly the "only" as his Twitter feed shows.

I could be wrong but it sounds like the OP might be referring to Judge Marrero's ruling where it describes Trump's assertion that while president, he is not only immune from any and all criminal investigations and prosecutions at both state and federal level and basically above the law...but his family, friends and close business associates who may have helped him commit illegal acts are immune as well.

Marrero ruling

Strangely enough, the one person Trump claims is not immune from prosecution is the vice president. To even mention the VP in a lawsuit that involves a porn star suggests that Trump might be getting ready to throw Pence under the bus.

 

[Mycroft]

Hardly the "only" as his Twitter feed shows.

I could be wrong but it sounds like the OP might be referring to Judge Marrero's ruling where it describes Trump's assertion that while president, he is not only immune from any and all criminal investigations and prosecutions at both state and federal level and basically above the law...but his family, friends and close business associates who may have helped him commit illegal acts are immune as well.

Marrero ruling

Strangely enough, the one person Trump claims is not immune from prosecution is the vice president. To even mention the VP in a lawsuit that involves a porn star suggests that Trump might be getting ready to throw Pence under the bus.

Well, perhaps you should talk to the OP. Ask HIM what he was talking about.

 

[Moot]

Well, perhaps you should talk to the OP. Ask HIM what he was talking about.

His OP didn't say anything about impeachment.

 

[Moot]

You are correct. The President has absolute power to tell everyone to go screw themselves.

He can thank Obama for that.

And Obama has GWBush to thank and he has Clinton to thank and he has Bush Sr. to thank and he has Reagan to thank...

 

[OscarLevant]

Why don’t you tell everyone which law was broken.

Oh, plenty, but for starters:

4 laws Trump might be accused of breaking in Ukraine whistleblower case - Business Insider

Why don’t you explain why there hasn’t been a vote on impeachment if the evidence is so clear against Trump.

One thing is certain, Pelosi is not going to be baited by the likes of people like you, she'll take that vote as soon as she is damn good and ready, just like she did when she declared a formal inquiry.

Why don’t you explain why republicans have no subpoena power during this witch-hunt inquiry. Of course a partisan inquiry is always fair and just.

I'll tell you why, republicans would go on a FISA Lisa / Strok / Hillary's a murderer Uranium One and assorted conspiracy theories rampage, and try and fog the process with bull****. They are incompetent boobs.


I don't know what the reason is, but that one should be the reason.

 

[OscarLevant]

Why don’t you tell everyone which law was broken.

Oh, plenty, but for starters:

4 laws Trump might be accused of breaking in Ukraine whistleblower case - Business Insider

Why don’t you explain why there hasn’t been a vote on impeachment if the evidence is so clear against Trump.

One thing is certain, Pelosi is not going to be baited by the likes of people like you, she'll take that vote as soon as she is damn good and ready, just like she did when she declared a formal inquiry.

Why don’t you explain why republicans have no subpoena power during this witch-hunt inquiry. Of course a partisan inquiry is always fair and just.

I'll tell you why, republicans would go on a FISA Lisa / Strok / Hillary's a murderer Uranium One and assorted conspiracy theories rampage, and try and fog the process with bull****. They are incompetent boobs.


I don't know what the reason is, but that one should be the reason.


I got bad news for you, a majority now believes Trump should be impeached.

 

[snakestretcher]

From the OP: "Nobody has the right to ask the president or one of his cronies anything. Or, putting it another way, the president has the absolute power to tell everyone to go screw themselves he doesn't have to listen to anyone or abide by any law."

The only people Trump has told to "go screw themselves" are the House Dems who are perverting the impeachment process.

You forgot all the people in his revolving door administration who have either been sacked, have left in disgust, are in jail, awaiting trial...all the 'best people'.
Squirrel brain Trump is so screwed.

 

[bongsaway]

Why don’t you tell everyone which law was broken.
Why don’t you explain why there hasn’t been a vote on impeachment if the evidence is so clear against Trump.
Why don’t you explain why republicans have no subpoena power during this witch-hunt inquiry. Of course a partisan inquiry is always fair and just.

Ok. Because it's an impeachment inquiry and not a trial and none of your complaints apply. Feel better now?

 

[Outlook]

Ok. Because it's an impeachment inquiry and not a trial and none of your complaints apply. Feel better now?

Are you now saying Trump has not broken the law prior to the Biden-Ukraine scandal?
I’m sure you will say he has broken the law for the last two and half years. If that is the case why no impeachment vote?

Ps: House doesn’t try the president. The House votes on impeachment and what I have heard over the last three years the have the evidence against him.

 

[Mr Person]

You are correct. The President has absolute power to tell everyone to go screw themselves.

He can thank Obama for that.

Clue: Two Wrongs do Not make a Right .....

Nevermind that Obama did not do anything remotely close to what Trump's been up to. I guess SkyChief is just another one of those posters who makes dishonest "both sides" statements that protect the guy he supports by focusing only on category of act and not its severity, frequency, etc. Dime a dozen here.

 

[SoCal]

Yep, that's pretty much it. There is only one branch of government - the Trump branch. Only Trump gets to decide whether or not he is abusing his authority. Only Trump gets to decide about frivolous, insignificant issues, such as Congressional oversight, honoring subpoenas, and the rule of law.

And that's the way all the Trump cultists want it. Sad, scary, and dangerous as hell, but true.

Believing you're a king is bad enough, but refusing to take and advice from experts and instead relying on his ignorant gut puts us in grave danger. Everyone knew about his loyalty to his associates being a one-way street, but applying that and screwing our allies who fight with and for us, is just pathetic.

Where were the Kurds on D-day?!? What a ****ing moron. What's so dangerous about Numnuts' ignorance of history, is that he does not know what he does not know and his inability to read guarantees he never will...

 

[Middle_Ground]

Why don’t you tell everyone which law was broken.
Why don’t you explain why there hasn’t been a vote on impeachment if the evidence is so clear against Trump.
Why don’t you explain why republicans have no subpoena power during this witch-hunt inquiry. Of course a partisan inquiry is always fair and just.

We already saw and know the crimes committed however a segment of the population has decided those crimes are not important and therefore not impeachable.
No vote for an inquiry because the head of that branch of government makes the decisions for that branch of government.
The Republicans wouldn't have subpoena power even with an impeachment inquiry vote. Subpoenas would still have to go thru a vote in the relevant committees.

Since impeachment is not a true legal process. The rules are different.
Republicans can have all the witnesses they want at the senate trial including members of the house as witnesses.

 

[Outlook]

We already saw and know the crimes committed however a segment of the population has decided those crimes are not important and therefore not impeachable.
.

Good non-answer to my question.
What crimes would that be?
If they were crimes of no importance, than why couldn’t the democrats be honest and say that. Why did they continue the talking point that the president committed impeachable offenses.

 

[bongsaway]

Are you now saying Trump has not broken the law prior to the Biden-Ukraine scandal?
I’m sure you will say he has broken the law for the last two and half years. If that is the case why no impeachment vote?

Ps: House doesn’t try the president. The House votes on impeachment and what I have heard over the last three years the have the evidence against him.

He was breaking the law from day one of his presidency and still is making money on his properties as president.

 

[Middle_Ground]

Good non-answer to my question.
What crimes would that be?
If they were crimes of no importance, than why couldn’t the democrats be honest and say that. Why did they continue the talking point that the president committed impeachable offenses.

What are you talking about?
Democrats leadership and politicians have mostly been NOT doing what there base wanted.
They finally are because this president just keeps doing more illegal stuff.
2 guys just got stopped at airports, brought in for arraignment for campaign finance violations of $325,000, the president by himself committed $300,000 worth of campaign finance violations...according to you guys no biggie.
Obstruction of justice at this point there are so many cases of that crime.
Finally impeachment starts for plain old bribery and here we are.
About time Dems start listening to their base.

And they were only crimes of no importance to certain segment of the population....like you.

As far as I'm concerned if it's not important...every person serving time in jail for it should be released, every person that had to pay a fine should be refunded and any person that had any negative consequences from such non crimes should be compensated. Then take the law off the books.
I have no problem with all this stuff not being a crime but if it's not then no one should be penalized for it.

 

[Outlook]

He was breaking the law from day one of his presidency and still is making money on his properties as president.

Good job avoiding the question. You obviously don’t know what law was broken. The democrats in the House also don’t know what law was broken otherwise there would have been an impeachment vote months ago.

 

[Outlook]

What are you talking about?
Democrats leadership and politicians have mostly been NOT doing what there base wanted.
They finally are because this president just keeps doing more illegal stuff.
2 guys just got stopped at airports, brought in for arraignment for campaign finance violations of $325,000, the president by himself committed $300,000 worth of campaign finance violations...according to you guys no biggie.
Obstruction of justice at this point there are so many cases of that crime.
Finally impeachment starts for plain old bribery and here we are.
About time Dems start listening to their base.

And they were only crimes of no importance to certain segment of the population....like you.

As far as I'm concerned if it's not important...every person serving time in jail for it should be released, every person that had to pay a fine should be refunded and any person that had any negative consequences from such non crimes should be compensated. Then take the law off the books.
I have no problem with all this stuff not being a crime but if it's not then no one should be penalized for it.

You so funny, are potential improprieties of the DNC and Hillary as well as Biden require no investigation for certain segments of the population. Don’t bother answering, I already know the response. Typical double standard hypocrite.