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Last month, dairy farmer Nicholas Gilbert received a delivery of grain for the 1,400 cows he tends at his dairy farm in Potsdam, New York, 20 miles from the Ontario border. The feed came with a surprise tariff of $2,200 tacked on.⁠

“Gilbert cannot increase the price of the milk he sells, which is set by the local co-op,” Annie Lowrey writes. “He cannot feed his cows less food. He cannot buy feed from another supplier; there aren’t any nearby, and getting it from farther away would be more expensive. When he got the delivery, he stared at the tariff for a while. Shouldn’t his Canadian supplier have been responsible for paying it? ‘I’m not even sure it’s legal! We contracted for the price on delivery! If your price of fuel goes up or your truck breaks down, that’s not my problem! That’s what the contract’s for.’”⁠

Gilbert “is one of tens of thousands of American business owners caught in a spiraling trade war,” Lowrey continues. And he “lives in one area of the United States that might already be tipping into a recession because of it. Businesses near the Canadian border are particularly vulnerable to the rising costs and falling revenue caused by tariffs, and are delaying projects, holding off on hiring, raising prices, letting workers go, or wondering how they are going to keep feeding their cows as a result.”⁠

Trump’s tariffs “are capricious, haphazard, and weird,” Lowrey writes. They take into account only trade in goods, not services. They apply to nations that have long-standing free-trade agreements with Washington; countries that have trade surpluses with the U.S.; and unpopulated islands. “The nonsensical policy will nevertheless have real effects … Thousands of American firms, mostly small businesses, will go under. The United States risks collapsing into an astonishing voluntary recession, caused solely by a few powerful ideologues’ erroneous beliefs about trade.”⁠

“If you want to understand where the American economy is heading,” Lowrey continues at the link in our bio, “head to the border.”

(From the Atlantic Magazine this morning)---written by Annie Lowrey
 
It's going to be bad.

The reason recessions rebound in the US a lot faster than they used to as well as faster than the rest of the world is because of the power the dollar and the demand for US Treasuries. They give the Fed a lot of latitude. It's been a given that when the s hits the fan, people around the world rush to buy US securities and hold reserves of dollars.

That's not happening. The value of the dollar is plummeting and people are selling securities. This is the whole "globe losing faith in the US" thing happening.

Trump has taken an economy that was easily the envy of the world, and smashed it in 3 months. So don't expect low rates and stimulus. We are looking a shitgeddon of high rates, dropping demand, and higher prices. Winning!
 
I hope not.
 
I know! Let's take money from me to pay him so that he doesn't turn against God Trump due to God Trump's endless series of ****-ups and intentional insane destructive acts!

Because that's how things work in a country that is run smoothly by a savvy operator.
 
OK, so who is Annie Lowery from the Atlantic? Just posting anything one finds anti= Trump :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
OK, so who is Annie Lowery from the Atlantic? Just posting anything one finds anti= Trump :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Can you provide some sweet dressing? Otherwise, this word salad tastes a little bitter.

I don't agree with some of the language in the article as an opinion piece, but the matter discussed is still concerning and shows how tariffs actually work.
 
Can you provide some sweet dressing? Otherwise, this word salad tastes a little bitter.
I have never heard of Annie or the Atlantic. Perhaps try balsamic vinaigrette.
 
OK, so who is Annie Lowery from the Atlantic? Just posting anything one finds anti= Trump :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
ignorant people like you are going to be in for a wild shock when the tariff prices actually hit in the next couple of months.
 
OK, so who is Annie Lowery from the Atlantic? Just posting anything one finds anti= Trump :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Let's see, covered economic policy for the NYT. Went to Harvard. One of her books were shortlisted for the 2018 Financial Times and McKinsey Business Books of the year. That's from her wiki. Writes for the Atlantic now.
 
OK, so who is Annie Lowery from the Atlantic? Just posting anything one finds anti= Trump :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

As opposed to all the links to ‘credible’ sources that you offer?

Why don’t you go ahead and explain what’s inaccurate in the link, be specific.
 
Last month, dairy farmer Nicholas Gilbert received a delivery of grain for the 1,400 cows he tends at his dairy farm in Potsdam, New York, 20 miles from the Ontario border. The feed came with a surprise tariff of $2,200 tacked on.⁠

“Gilbert cannot increase the price of the milk he sells, which is set by the local co-op,” Annie Lowrey writes. “He cannot feed his cows less food. He cannot buy feed from another supplier; there aren’t any nearby, and getting it from farther away would be more expensive. When he got the delivery, he stared at the tariff for a while. Shouldn’t his Canadian supplier have been responsible for paying it? ‘I’m not even sure it’s legal! We contracted for the price on delivery! If your price of fuel goes up or your truck breaks down, that’s not my problem! That’s what the contract’s for.’”⁠

Gilbert “is one of tens of thousands of American business owners caught in a spiraling trade war,” Lowrey continues. And he “lives in one area of the United States that might already be tipping into a recession because of it. Businesses near the Canadian border are particularly vulnerable to the rising costs and falling revenue caused by tariffs, and are delaying projects, holding off on hiring, raising prices, letting workers go, or wondering how they are going to keep feeding their cows as a result.”⁠

Trump’s tariffs “are capricious, haphazard, and weird,” Lowrey writes. They take into account only trade in goods, not services. They apply to nations that have long-standing free-trade agreements with Washington; countries that have trade surpluses with the U.S.; and unpopulated islands. “The nonsensical policy will nevertheless have real effects … Thousands of American firms, mostly small businesses, will go under. The United States risks collapsing into an astonishing voluntary recession, caused solely by a few powerful ideologues’ erroneous beliefs about trade.”⁠

“If you want to understand where the American economy is heading,” Lowrey continues at the link in our bio, “head to the border.”

(From the Atlantic Magazine this morning)---written by Annie Lowrey
That grain might well have been in the US when the tariffs kicked in. It's called 'corporate opportunism'. They didn't pay the tariffs but they're charging for it anyway.
It's like when the price of crude at the wellhead goes down the station has to sell off what they have on hand before the consumer gets cheaper fuel but when the price of crude goes up the price at the pump goes up immediately.
 
OK, so who is Annie Lowery from the Atlantic? Just posting anything one finds anti= Trump :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

She's an uber liberal supporting "universal basic income", author of the book "Give People Money", so of course the world's coming to an end, lol.
 
She's an uber liberal supporting "universal basic income", author of the book "Give People Money", so of course the world's coming to an end, lol.
No, it's the plunging market, increasing bond yields, and devaluing of the dollar that is pointing to bad things. Those markets don't have a liberal agenda, they have a make money agenda.
 
Already there? Maybe. Otherwise...



"Owning the libz" appears to be very painful for more than just libs.
 
She's an uber liberal supporting "universal basic income", author of the book "Give People Money", so of course the world's coming to an end, lol.

So you ran to over to wiki and saw something you thought would shout down her report.

Elon Musk also supports universal basic income, yet you praise him.
 
No, it's the plunging market, increasing bond yields, and devaluing of the dollar that is pointing to bad things. Those markets don't have a liberal agenda, they have a make money agenda.

Just trying to answer the other posters question as to who she is.......my post was part of her bio. We ought to see where's it's going to be heading here in 3 or 4 months.....right now, far too much volitivity.
 
So you ran to over to wiki and saw something you thought would shout down her report.

Elon Musk also supports universal basic income, yet you praise him.

Pray tell, how is "universal basic income" going to be funded and kept liquid? It's just a pipe dream to keep young naive voters on the hook.
 
No, it's the plunging market, increasing bond yields, and devaluing of the dollar that is pointing to bad things. Those markets don't have a liberal agenda, they have a make money agenda.


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Pray tell, how is "universal basic income" going to be funded and kept liquid? It's just a pipe dream to keep young naive voters on the hook.

Nice attempt at a goal post move, has nothing to do with you seeing it on wiki and using it to try to shout down her report as her not being personally credible, yet praise Elon Musk who supports the same thing.
 
Anybody know the long-accepted economic definition of a recession? Anybody?

I'll give you a hint. It's not when Democrats feel butthurt.
 
OK, so who is Annie Lowery from the Atlantic?
She's a journalist who writes about economics and politics.

Just posting anything one finds anti= Trump :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
I guess this all depends on whether one considers critique of policy as being solely due to being "anti [insert leader here]", or critique of policies/actions. What you failed to do is address anything in the article and instead propped up a poor deflection.
 
Last month, dairy farmer Nicholas Gilbert received a delivery of grain for the 1,400 cows he tends at his dairy farm in Potsdam, New York, 20 miles from the Ontario border. The feed came with a surprise tariff of $2,200 tacked on.⁠

“Gilbert cannot increase the price of the milk he sells, which is set by the local co-op,” Annie Lowrey writes. “He cannot feed his cows less food. He cannot buy feed from another supplier; there aren’t any nearby, and getting it from farther away would be more expensive. When he got the delivery, he stared at the tariff for a while. Shouldn’t his Canadian supplier have been responsible for paying it? ‘I’m not even sure it’s legal! We contracted for the price on delivery! If your price of fuel goes up or your truck breaks down, that’s not my problem! That’s what the contract’s for.’”⁠

Gilbert “is one of tens of thousands of American business owners caught in a spiraling trade war,” Lowrey continues. And he “lives in one area of the United States that might already be tipping into a recession because of it. Businesses near the Canadian border are particularly vulnerable to the rising costs and falling revenue caused by tariffs, and are delaying projects, holding off on hiring, raising prices, letting workers go, or wondering how they are going to keep feeding their cows as a result.”⁠

Trump’s tariffs “are capricious, haphazard, and weird,” Lowrey writes. They take into account only trade in goods, not services. They apply to nations that have long-standing free-trade agreements with Washington; countries that have trade surpluses with the U.S.; and unpopulated islands. “The nonsensical policy will nevertheless have real effects … Thousands of American firms, mostly small businesses, will go under. The United States risks collapsing into an astonishing voluntary recession, caused solely by a few powerful ideologues’ erroneous beliefs about trade.”⁠

“If you want to understand where the American economy is heading,” Lowrey continues at the link in our bio, “head to the border.”

(From the Atlantic Magazine this morning)---written by Annie Lowrey
Farmers largely voted for this.
 
That grain might well have been in the US when the tariffs kicked in. It's called 'corporate opportunism'. They didn't pay the tariffs but they're charging for it anyway.
It's a matter of replacement cost. The grain supplier can't magically conjure up an extra $2,200 to supply the next farmer down the line.

Funniest thing, the US cartel won't let the farmer raise prices but the Canadians cannot be criticized for passing on the tariff from their predatory trade practices.

Who cares about the US feed producers victimized by Canadian dumping? Not the America hating editorialist in the Atlantic magazine.
It's like when the price of crude at the wellhead goes down the station has to sell off what they have on hand before the consumer gets cheaper fuel but when the price of crude goes up the price at the pump goes up immediately.
The gas at the pump was made with crude purchased some time earlier. When the crude price was higher, the refiner has to recover the cost before reducing prices at the pump to reflect current crude prices.

Contrary to the cherished Democrat myth oil refiners don't have huge pools of cash just waiting to finance their operations.
 
It's a matter of replacement cost. The grain supplier can't magically conjure up an extra $2,200 to supply the next farmer down the line.
I'm saying the importer might not have paid the tariff but he has charged for it just the same.
The next farmer down the line will be charged too, won't he.
Funniest thing, the US cartel won't let the farmer raise prices but the Canadians cannot be criticized for passing on the tariff from their predatory trade practices.
The Canadian supplier didn't pass anything on. They didn't get the bill for the tariff, the importer did. It's an import tariff. An export tariff would have been charged by the Canadian government on the exporter. Then the Canadian supplier would have paid it and passed the cost on.
Who cares about the US feed producers victimized by Canadian dumping? Not the America hating editorialist in the Atlantic magazine.
Dumping? Do you even know what that means? If the importers are willing to pay the tariffs, and the consumers, there's no dumping involved.
How, after all the discussion around this, can you guys still not understand how it works?
The gas at the pump was made with crude purchased some time earlier. When the crude price was higher, the refiner has to recover the cost before reducing prices at the pump to reflect current crude prices.
Exactly what I said.
But when the price of crude goes up, the price at the pumps follows immediately.
Contrary to the cherished Democrat myth oil refiners don't have huge pools of cash just waiting to finance their operations.
What does this stupid statement have to do with anything I said?
 

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