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Infinite Chaos said:
The point is that some countries have tried to block returning jihadis with EU passports and some haven't. The Danish thread on a different approach to returned jihadis comes to mind. Once back in the EU and with EU passports their travel can be easier than it should be.

The droning reference was to British jihadis who have died in drone strikes which I fully support.
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Ok. But did France not do that or something? Hence the reason for the possible(more than likely) fake passport?
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
Ok. But did France not do that or something? Hence the reason for the possible(more than likely) fake passport?
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The French arrested 76 of the 100 who returned by December last year. The deradicalisation programme is not seen as being as successful as the one run in the UK by MI5

And the report said that Britain was known as the global leader in reforming jihadists - so much so that some within the French system were asking to be seconded to MI5 - "famed for their art of debriefing".
"Within the secret services, it's said that British jihadis are more interesting because they have a higher intellectual level than their French colleagues, who are more often donkeys," one expert told the paper.
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But France hasn't gone down the route of removal of citizenship yet which we have though Hollande did on Monday propose this in French Parliament. They have a way to go yet and will face the same opposition we had when we started it.
 
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What's the bloody point of "planting" a Syrian passport on only one or two of the seven attackers? While not all seven while you're busy? And as far as "European nationals" are concerned, while technically true, these are children from a previous wave of muslim immigrants. Claiming they are "EU nationals" isn't tricking anyone but terrorist sympathizers as TheDemSocialist into believing islamic immigration is a bliss. Keep counting on it they'll pay your pension, as your overlords/kind would have us believe.
 
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Eight suspected ISIL militants detained at Istanbul Atatürk Airport - CRIME

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Natan said:
What's the bloody point of "planting" a Syrian passport on only one or two of the seven attackers?
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The passport wasn't "planted"

Natan said:
While not all seven while you're busy?
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No need to plant fake passports - you missed the thread title probably.

Natan said:
~ And as far as "European nationals" are concerned, while technically true, these are children from a previous wave of muslim immigrants. Claiming they are "EU nationals" isn't tricking anyone but terrorist sympathizers as TheDemSocialist into believing islamic immigration is a bliss. Keep counting on it they'll pay your pension, as your overlords/kind would have us believe.
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Are you applying this to all immigrants or just muslim immigrants? Do only white European immigrants to another white nation count in your book?
 
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EU slammed as EIGHT migrants use SAME passports as Paris bomber

THE European Union has come under fire after it emerged as many as eight migrants have reached Europe using travel documents almost identical to those belonging to one of the Paris bombers.

EU slammed as eight migrants use same passports as Paris bomber | World | News | Daily Express
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I note use of passports gets mentioned a lot, so added this one. Further, I had been involved in such debates many years ago within the MSN Political forum (now shut down). At the time, the New Labour government were pushing for introduction of ID card. They even went so far as starting to make them (to be discussed further).

If I wanted to, I could acquire a fake passport, birth certificate, drivers license, and even death certificate. And as for the ID card mentioned, at the time I even supplied a link to all those involved in debate as to where they could get a fake ID also, and the silly thing had not even been released yet.

Seriously people, especially those in USA. How difficult would it be for you to do the same if you really wanted to?

PS: Note the New Labour government ended up scrapping the ID card idea.
 
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Infinite Chaos said:
The passport wasn't "planted". No need to plant fake passports - you missed the thread title probably.
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This was in reaction to TheDemSocialist suggesting there are gains from that in post #9.

Infinite Chaos said:
Are you applying this to all immigrants or just muslim immigrants? Do only white European immigrants to another white nation count in your book?
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Mostly Arabic/Pakistani/Afghan sunni muslim immigrants. I'm yet to see a shia muslim or Turkish guy explode himself or commit a massacre.
 
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Natan said:
~ Mostly Arabic/Pakistani/Afghan sunni muslim immigrants. I'm yet to see a shia muslim or Turkish guy explode himself or commit a massacre.
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Have to admit, you got me there. I had never noticed that before. I just spent 10 minutes checking on Google and nothing came up.

Going to ponder on this.
 
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Infinite Chaos said:
Have to admit, you got me there. I had never noticed that before. I just spent 10 minutes checking on Google and nothing came up.
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Going to ponder on this.
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Khobar tower attacks was blamed on the shias. Then again, the Saudis didn't exactly provide evidence. The Beirut marine barracks bombings I believe shia muslims too. They're probably there, just a lot rarer. The Turkish seem too busy over here trying to get enough money to buy that BMW / Mercedes to show off back home, rather than getting involved too much with religion.
 
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Natan said:
~ The Turkish seem too busy over here trying to get enough money to buy that BMW / Mercedes to show off back home, rather than getting involved too much with religion.
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I looked again because it seemed a strange phenomenon; Turks are mainly Sunni. There is something different about their case / them and Sunni elsewhere who have been involved in terrorist attacks.

You have picked out a very interesting bit of info
 
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Montecresto said:
Yeah, I mean why did congress pass the bill it did today, as though the Paris attacks were tied to refugees.
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Political opportunism.
 
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Grant said:
The connection is Islam, not their nationality.
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Hoozah! Okay... in your mind, Islam, a belief system that has many interpretations is the problem!

Alright! 1,600,000,000 people is "the problem"! Alright, so what do we do to solve this "problem"?
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
Hoozah! Okay... in your mind, Islam, a belief system that has many interpretations is the problem!

Alright! 1,600,000,000 people is "the problem"! Alright, so what do we do to solve this "problem"?
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None of what you said relates to my post. Did you not notice the connection?
 
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TheDemSocialist said:
Hoozah! Okay... in your mind, Islam, a belief system that has many interpretations is the problem!

Alright! 1,600,000,000 people is "the problem"! Alright, so what do we do to solve this "problem"?
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If "Islam" was truly the problem, as opposed to decades of oppressive rulers, crushing poverty and outside meddling, then why hasn't Kareem Abdul-Jabbar strapped on a suicide vest or Ice Cube beheaded anyone? They're both Muslims. So is Muhammad Ali. So was Malcolm X. They follow the five pillars as much as anyone.

The virulent strain of extremism from the Middle East is borne from much more than an Abrahamic religion.
 
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Kobie said:
If "Islam" was truly the problem, as opposed to decades of oppressive rulers, crushing poverty and outside meddling, then why hasn't Kareem Abdul-Jabbar strapped on a suicide vest or Ice Cube beheaded anyone? They're both Muslims. So is Muhammad Ali. So was Malcolm X. They follow the five pillars as much as anyone.

The virulent strain of extremism from the Middle East is borne from much more than an Abrahamic religion.
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And what is the butchering of a 15 year old daughter in Phoenix for wearing lipstick 'born of'?
 
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VanceMack said:
And what is the butchering of a 15 year old daughter in Phoenix for wearing lipstick 'born of'?
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A mindset that Malcolm X or Muhammad Ali (not to mention many more) obviously didn't and don't share into.
 
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Chagos said:
A mindset that Malcolm X or Muhammad Ali (not to mention many more) obviously didn't and don't share into.
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:lamo cute...you gave a 'not' answer. Now...what IS it born of?
 
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VanceMack said:
:lamo cute...you gave a 'not' answer. Now...what IS it born of?
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I didn't start the non-sequiturs, mate.
 
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Chagos said:
I didn't start the non-sequiturs, mate.
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You jumped into the conversation with a decidedly obvious intent to NOT answer a pretty straightforward question...mate. :lamo
 
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