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So I find this story interesting for a variety of reasons. Here is are the main points:
An Alabama man admitted Thursday to trying to hire a man he believed was a Ku Klux Klansman to kill his neighbor, who is black and a registered sex offender.
Authorities said Morgan told agents that he’d tried to “force a confrontation” with his neighbor Aug. 22 by firing “multiple rounds of ammunition” at him on the street outside their homes.
Agents said the man ran away, and Morgan assumed he must be guilty of raping his wife because the neighbor did not try to stand his ground or reason with him.
An undercover FBI agent called Morgan a short time later, identified himself as a Klansman and asked him whether he wanted to “murder” his neighbor.
Morgan was arrested after the meeting and confessed that he’d wanted to hire hitmen to kill his neighbors.
First of all WOW, what an idiot. The points I find interesting are
1. The mentality here. He is going to kill someone, like an animal, based on nothing more then his own fear and suspicion and apparently he has the firearms needed to carry that out. Awesome.
2. I am, of course, very troubled by the presence and seemingly casual acceptance of the KKK being avaible for hire to kill but there is not enough in the story about that issue to address it here or support my thinking about it being commonplace.
3. He was trying to use the stand your ground premise to provoke a confrontation. Clearly, so that he could do it himself and justify it with the law
4. The technique the police used to set him up. I have a problem with this one. The guy is clearly an idiot but who knows if, in time ,he wouldn't have calmed down and let it go. Seems like the police forced the issue by offering him the service of a hit man.
Tell me what you think.
Here is a link to the Alabama SYG law Alabama Stand Your Ground - Castle Doctrine Law
The story Alabama man admits to hiring ‘Klansman’ to hang black neighbor ‘like an animal’ | The Raw Story
Major reason why I do not like this "stand your ground" law. :roll:3. He was trying to use the stand your ground premise to provoke a confrontation. Clearly, so that he could do it himself and justify it with the law
So I find this story interesting for a variety of reasons. Here is are the main points:
An Alabama man admitted Thursday to trying to hire a man he believed was a Ku Klux Klansman to kill his neighbor, who is black and a registered sex offender.
Authorities said Morgan told agents that he’d tried to “force a confrontation” with his neighbor Aug. 22 by firing “multiple rounds of ammunition” at him on the street outside their homes.
Agents said the man ran away, and Morgan assumed he must be guilty of raping his wife because the neighbor did not try to stand his ground or reason with him.
An undercover FBI agent called Morgan a short time later, identified himself as a Klansman and asked him whether he wanted to “murder” his neighbor.
Morgan was arrested after the meeting and confessed that he’d wanted to hire hitmen to kill his neighbors.
First of all WOW, what an idiot. The points I find interesting are
1. The mentality here. He is going to kill someone, like an animal, based on nothing more then his own fear and suspicion and apparently he has the firearms needed to carry that out. Awesome.
2. I am, of course, very troubled by the presence and seemingly casual acceptance of the KKK being avaible for hire to kill but there is not enough in the story about that issue to address it here or support my thinking about it being commonplace.
3. He was trying to use the stand your ground premise to provoke a confrontation. Clearly, so that he could do it himself and justify it with the law
4. The technique the police used to set him up. I have a problem with this one. The guy is clearly an idiot but who knows if, in time ,he wouldn't have calmed down and let it go. Seems like the police forced the issue by offering him the service of a hit man.
Tell me what you think.
Here is a link to the Alabama SYG law Alabama Stand Your Ground - Castle Doctrine Law
The story Alabama man admits to hiring ‘Klansman’ to hang black neighbor ‘like an animal’ | The Raw Story
Major reason why I do not like this "stand your ground" law. :roll:
Major reason why I do not like this "stand your ground" law. :roll:
So he hired a Democrat ?
Because the KKK is exclusive to the same party that filibustered the voting rights act in 1964.
Hold the phone and everybody chill.
"stand your ground" isn't going to protect you if you STARTED the shootout.
Just because some dumbass whose elevator OBVIOUSLY does NOT go all the way to the top floor THINKS it would, does not mean it would.
/topic
Hold the phone and everybody chill.
"stand your ground" isn't going to protect you if you STARTED the shootout.
Just because some dumbass whose elevator OBVIOUSLY does NOT go all the way to the top floor THINKS it would, does not mean it would.
/topic
Unfortunately, there are many instances of this very thing taking place and the shooter getting off by using this law. It is not a matter of who starts it, you can SAY whatever you want. If you rattle someone enough that they loose their cool and punch you or doing anything else that makes you feel threatened..BOOM....you get to shoot them. Because YOU get to decide. If the other guy is dead he can't say..."he started it" .
Exactly. When this law was all over the site because the the Trayvon Martin case I saw several examples of it being used to mask intent by the shooter and get then...get them off the hook.
That's what I was thinking -- the perp would be relying on being the only one left alive to tell the story, one witness or piece of contradictory evidence would prove the story false.
So he hired a Democrat ?
Because the KKK is exclusive to the same party that filibustered the voting rights act in 1964.
Just because it MAY (possibly, we don't know) have happened in the Z/M case does not mean it is happening all over the country like an epidemic.
If you have stats proving that, post them.
So I find this story interesting for a variety of reasons. Here is are the main points:
An Alabama man admitted Thursday to trying to hire a man he believed was a Ku Klux Klansman to kill his neighbor, who is black and a registered sex offender.
Authorities said Morgan told agents that he’d tried to “force a confrontation” with his neighbor Aug. 22 by firing “multiple rounds of ammunition” at him on the street outside their homes.
Agents said the man ran away, and Morgan assumed he must be guilty of raping his wife because the neighbor did not try to stand his ground or reason with him.
An undercover FBI agent called Morgan a short time later, identified himself as a Klansman and asked him whether he wanted to “murder” his neighbor.
Morgan was arrested after the meeting and confessed that he’d wanted to hire hitmen to kill his neighbors.
First of all WOW, what an idiot. The points I find interesting are
1. The mentality here. He is going to kill someone, like an animal, based on nothing more then his own fear and suspicion and apparently he has the firearms needed to carry that out. Awesome.
2. I am, of course, very troubled by the presence and seemingly casual acceptance of the KKK being avaible for hire to kill but there is not enough in the story about that issue to address it here or support my thinking about it being commonplace.
3. He was trying to use the stand your ground premise to provoke a confrontation. Clearly, so that he could do it himself and justify it with the law
4. The technique the police used to set him up. I have a problem with this one. The guy is clearly an idiot but who knows if, in time ,he wouldn't have calmed down and let it go. Seems like the police forced the issue by offering him the service of a hit man.
Tell me what you think.
Here is a link to the Alabama SYG law Alabama Stand Your Ground - Castle Doctrine Law
The story Alabama man admits to hiring ‘Klansman’ to hang black neighbor ‘like an animal’ | The Raw Story
Exactly. One guy looking out his window, one wrong statement, one bit of physical evidence that doesn't corroborate, and he's in big trouble.
It is virtually a UNIVERSAL in American Jurisprudence that to claim self-defense you must be "without legal fault in creating the incident". In other words you can't break into someone's house, or start a gunfight with someone in the absence of threat, and then claim "I was standing my ground".
Now Florida, to my knowledge alone among the states, has a much looser interpretation of this than is typical... but that's Florida. There's no need to act like it is a national pandemic as some are doing.
In my state, like most, "stand your ground" is a BAD MEDIA HYPE QUOTE for simply removing the "duty to retreat" before using lethal force, which is a rational legal position to remove a non-feasible requirement from honest citizens who are already in the middle of some bad ****.
Just because Florida is crazy, don't tar every other state's law with the same brush y'all.
There is this:1. The mentality here. He is going to kill someone, like an animal, based on nothing more then his own fear and suspicion and apparently he has the firearms needed to carry that out. Awesome.
Who's the bad guy in this story?
So I find this story interesting for a variety of reasons. Here is are the main points:
An Alabama man admitted Thursday to trying to hire a man he believed was a Ku Klux Klansman to kill his neighbor, who is black and a registered sex offender.
Authorities said Morgan told agents that he’d tried to “force a confrontation” with his neighbor Aug. 22 by firing “multiple rounds of ammunition” at him on the street outside their homes.
Agents said the man ran away, and Morgan assumed he must be guilty of raping his wife because the neighbor did not try to stand his ground or reason with him.
An undercover FBI agent called Morgan a short time later, identified himself as a Klansman and asked him whether he wanted to “murder” his neighbor.
Morgan was arrested after the meeting and confessed that he’d wanted to hire hitmen to kill his neighbors.
First of all WOW, what an idiot. The points I find interesting are
1. The mentality here. He is going to kill someone, like an animal, based on nothing more then his own fear and suspicion and apparently he has the firearms needed to carry that out. Awesome.
2. I am, of course, very troubled by the presence and seemingly casual acceptance of the KKK being avaible for hire to kill but there is not enough in the story about that issue to address it here or support my thinking about it being commonplace.
3. He was trying to use the stand your ground premise to provoke a confrontation. Clearly, so that he could do it himself and justify it with the law
4. The technique the police used to set him up. I have a problem with this one. The guy is clearly an idiot but who knows if, in time ,he wouldn't have calmed down and let it go. Seems like the police forced the issue by offering him the service of a hit man.
Tell me what you think.
Here is a link to the Alabama SYG law Alabama Stand Your Ground - Castle Doctrine Law
The story Alabama man admits to hiring ‘Klansman’ to hang black neighbor ‘like an animal’ | The Raw Story
There is this:
Morgan, of Munford, Ala., said he believed the neighbor had raped his wife sometime in August.
Exactly. One guy looking out his window, one wrong statement, one bit of physical evidence that doesn't corroborate, and he's in big trouble.
It is virtually a UNIVERSAL in American Jurisprudence that to claim self-defense you must be "without legal fault in creating the incident". In other words you can't break into someone's house, or start a gunfight with someone in the absence of threat, and then claim "I was standing my ground".
Now Florida, to my knowledge alone among the states, has a much looser interpretation of this than is typical... but that's Florida. There's no need to act like it is a national pandemic as some are doing.
In my state, like most, "stand your ground" is a BAD MEDIA HYPE QUOTE for simply removing the "duty to retreat" before using lethal force, which is a rational legal position to remove a non-feasible requirement from honest citizens who are already in the middle of some bad ****.
Just because Florida is crazy, don't tar every other state's law with the same brush y'all.
The guy's an idiot. He's a bigoted, prejudiced fool who tried to commit a murder for hire. Glad he'll be spending some time in jail.
It's funny. The part of the story that bothered me most is that, yes he is a bigoted idiot, but look at the way he got caught. Unless the article is leaving something out, which we both know it very well could be, it sounds like entrapment. I would like to know what prompted the call to this guy from the FBI agent.
Exactly. When this law was all over the site because the the Trayvon Martin case I saw several examples of it being used to mask intent by the shooter and get then...get them off the hook.
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