Alabama health officials report COVID-19 deaths surpass births

[screenwriter]

In the USA COVID-related deaths accounted for maybe 1/3 of the Years of Life Lost (YLL) compared with those YLL lost due to heart disease. So heart disease and cancer deaths are both far greater causes of death and YLL than COVID. Diet and lifestyle changes could eliminate at least 80 to 90% of deaths due to heart disease and perhaps about 70% of deaths due to cancer. About 70% of deaths with COVID could be prevented with monoclonal antibodies and yet we just saw the Biden administration cut the supply of these monoclonal antibodies to the state of Florida and Alabama. By contrast, when the NY, NJ, CT area were overwhelmed with COVID back in April 2020 we saw Trump making sure they got sufficient ventilators, convert the Jarvis Center into a hospital and send in the USS Comfort to help prevent deaths from an overwhelmed healthcare system. Quite a contrast.

And what do all those deaths have in common - including Covid? Obesity.

Covid is the perfect storm of a disease. It's a disease with a higher morbidity and mortality in the obese just at a time obesity is a global epidemic. And it isn't that Covid is selective to the obese - it's the obese have rendered themselves susceptible to the very worst of it. We know vaccines don't work as well in the obese. But, it isn't politically correct to tell people they need to get into shape.

 

[Slartibartfast]

In the USA COVID-related deaths accounted for maybe 1/3 of the Years of Life Lost (YLL) compared with those YLL lost due to heart disease. So heart disease and cancer deaths are both far greater causes of death and YLL than COVID. Diet and lifestyle changes could eliminate at least 80 to 90% of deaths due to heart disease and perhaps about 70% of deaths due to cancer. About 70% of deaths with COVID could be prevented with monoclonal antibodies and yet we just saw the Biden administration cut the supply of these monoclonal antibodies to the state of Florida and Alabama. By contrast, when the NY, NJ, CT area were overwhelmed with COVID back in April 2020 we saw Trump making sure they got sufficient ventilators, convert the Jarvis Center into a hospital and send in the USS Comfort to help prevent deaths from an overwhelmed healthcare system. Quite a contrast.

The comments I made with screenwriter apply.

 

[noonereal]

That is shocking and sad.

How so, we are talking about Alabama?

 

[Slartibartfast]

How so, we are talking about Alabama?

Alabama in general is shocking and sad, but so is this stat.

 

[noonereal]

Alabama in general is shocking and sad

on this we agree.

 

[notquiteright]

We are, once again, confronted by either criminally stupidity or criminal deceit by our media. Either way, our media is, once again, exposed as being criminally misleading and liable for the damages it creates. Something needs to be done to restrain these either moronic idiots or dangerously propagandistic liars who deceive as a daily practice in their deceitful and erroneous malpractice. There should be a law that allows civil law suits to be brought against idiots who publish or broadcast distortions like this.

If I didn't know your political lean I'd say you were calling out the likes Of Tucker, Hannity, OAN, NewsMax, etc...

 

[screenwriter]

None of us can predict the future and while you seem certain that this might occur, where's the proof that those trends will continue?

So in your world, the Boomer generation, the largest generation in the history of America, would have lived forever were it not for Covid? Sheeze.

 

[screenwriter]

Alabama in general is shocking and sad, but so is this stat.

Ah, the liberals and their Napoleonic superiority complex in full bloom.

 

[reflechissez]

Why is it either shocking or sad?

The people of child bearing years, in general, are not having offspring or delaying having babies to much much later. The boomer generation (the largest generation in the history of America) has become elderly and, with or without Covid, are dying off. I guess such a generation coming to an end is "sad" - but there's no stopping it.

The birth/death rate flipping is no surprise to anyone - or shouldn't be, at least. It was inevitable. We studied it in Economics class in high school and the impact it would have on the economy. Highlighted was how, when social security was implemented, there were 160 workers paying into Social Security for each retiree drawing out Social Security. In 2013 it was 2.8 paying in for each drawing out. It would be interesting to do the math to figure out how many children the average family would have to have to return to that 1:160 ration of workers to retirees. My guess would be somewhere in the 20 range. But, not really worth the time to calculate because it isn't going to happen.

So, go ahead and pretend this is about politics. I don't deny that Covid has hastened the end of the boomer generation - but considering I've heard Covid referred to as "The Boomer Remover" - any tears to death within that demographic are more likely to be hypocritical crocodile tears more than anything real.

It's also sadly hilarious to pretend there are many on this forum who actually care about the people of Alabama in the first place. All you have to do is a search of the term Alabama on this forum to see some of the vile things that have been said about the people and the state of Alabama (or the south in general) from those posting here.

Nope

 

[Slartibartfast]

Ah, the liberals and their Napoleonic superiority complex in full bloom.

Liberals are short french guys who starred in Bill and Ted?

 

[Slartibartfast]

So in your world, the Boomer generation, the largest generation in the history of America, would have lived forever were it not for Covid? Sheeze.

It would be easier to discuss things with you if you refrained from nonsensical statements.

 

[RAMOSS]

There are many facts regarding things that occurred.

The SpaceX Falcon was launched after January, 2020.

Was that also caused by the rise Covid or the reduction of the Flu?

In passing, the number of overdoses in Alabama in 2020 was up by more than 20,000 victims. The number of Covid victims was about one third of that at about 7,185.

Your propagandists ignored a BIG cause the added more than 20,000 to the grizzly number and highlighted a cause that was a minor player by comparison.

Obvious propaganda including lies of commission and omission.

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alpublichealth.maps.arcgis.com

MSN

And how many more people died in Alabama in 2020 compared to 2019? The 20,000 was country wide not state wide. How many in Alabama. and show me you can back up your claim. 20K country wide is a lot different than having it all in Alabama you know.

 

[screenwriter]

Liberals are short french guys who starred in Bill and Ted?

Bill and Ted - ah- that explains a lot - now we know where you're coming from

It would be easier to discuss things with you if you refrained from nonsensical statements.

Yes, it would. So stop making them. You can't have it both ways.
You've stated outright that you deny that this was birth rate/ death rate shift was going to happen with or without Covid and you are 100% wrong in that.
It was already happening well before Covid came along and it was happening because the Boomer generation is aging out for one - and second is the low birth rates of the younger child bearing age generations. You even said you can't predict it - well, yeah, you can. There's more driving forces behind it than just Covid.

 

[Slartibartfast]

Bill and Ted - ah- that explains a lot - now we know where you're coming from

no sense of humor I guess.

Yes, it would. So stop making them. You can't have it both ways.
You've stated outright that you deny that this was birth rate/ death rate shift was going to happen with or without Covid and you are 100% wrong in that.
It was already happening well before Covid came along and it was happening because the Boomer generation is aging out for one - and second is the low birth rates of the younger child bearing age generations. You even said you can't predict it - well, yeah, you can. There's more driving forces behind it than just Covid.

Then you should reread my statement. My statement was that none of us can predict the future and at the moment COVID is what put it over the top.

 

[screenwriter]

no sense of humor I guess.

Then you should reread my statement. My statement was that none of us can predict the future and at the moment COVID is what put it over the top.

It's sad that the aging out of the Boomer generation is a surprise to you. You're in a very small minority because the Boomers have been one of the most studies demographics in history. I agree that the birth rate/death rate flip is the result of Covid - but in the form of a baby bust more than anything. https://www.brookings.edu/research/half-a-million-fewer-children-the-coming-covid-baby-bust/

When you consider that 73% of all who died of Covid were obese - seems that obesity is a worse underlying condition than age. Wonder why that fact is swept under the carpet.

 

[Slartibartfast]

It's sad that the aging out of the Boomer generation is a surprise to you. You're in a very small minority because the Boomers have been one of the most studies demographics in history. I agree that the birth rate/death rate flip is the result of Covid - but in the form of a baby bust more than anything. https://www.brookings.edu/research/half-a-million-fewer-children-the-coming-covid-baby-bust/

When you consider that 73% of all who died of Covid were obese - seems that obesity is a worse underlying condition than age. Wonder why that fact is swept under the carpet.

Its not a surprise, but its also not what put it over the top.

 

[code1211]

If there was, right wing media would be off the airwaves.

Example?

I'm not Arguing that propagandists from the Right are any less propagandist than propagandists from the Left.

My point is that this particular piece of propaganda was propaganda and the presentation was semi illiterate. Do you disagree?

The topic or slant of the piece seems to promote a particular conclusion that is trying to lead the audience to a mind set that is not justified by the actual facts.

Sadly, this is the state of American Journalism.

 

[code1211]

Because he pointed out your post was incaccurate?




Wow.

I'm so glad I did not bother to read this thread, until now. Something about the title rang false.

Here's some context:

Deaths Exceeded Births in a Record Number of States in 2020

In this data snapshot, author Kenneth Johnson reports that many more deaths, fewer births, and less immigration produced the United States’ smallest percentage population gain in at least 100 years.

carsey.unh.edu

Looks like the upper east coast, Ro-Die-land and West Virginie are having the biggest problem.

If it is a problem, I thought growing population caused that climate change thingie?

Alabamie isn't the only state having lower births than deaths, and I don't see much of a political pattern in the states that do have that in 2020

Maybe it's states that old people move to, like Florida and the southwest, and/or states that young people move out of before they settle down and start families.

Or maybe it's the tail of the baby boom trailing off. Who knows?

But, hey!

Let's make up a lie for the headline and hope nobody notices that the story doesn't match. Most of the sheep just skim headlines anyway. If you're auditioning to be part of the mainstream media, tacomancer, that's a good start.

Excellent post and excellent analysis!

Now THIS would have been an excellent article for the semi illiterate to have read on air instead of the propaganda that was presented.

 

[code1211]

And without Mississippi's lack of COVID response, this population decline would not have happened.

Was Mississippi also mentioned?

I thought the article was in regard to Alabama.

 

[Slartibartfast]

Was Mississippi also mentioned?

I thought the article was in regard to Alabama.

Good catch, those places do blend in together for me at times.

 

[code1211]

If I didn't know your political lean I'd say you were calling out the likes Of Tucker, Hannity, OAN, NewsMax, etc...

You don't seem to understand the vary clear difference between REPORTING and COMMENTARY.

REPORTING is simply REPORTING what happened.

COMMENTARY is COMMENTING on what happened.

If you are Dan Rather, then you have no idea that there is a difference between the two.

I can REPORT that my wife is a certain weight and height and that she has a given color of hair and eyes.

I can COMMENT that she is the most beautiful woman in the world.

YOU can assume that I believe BOTH to be true. However, only the REPORT is ACCURATE from the stand point of journalistic ethics.

Hannity is NOT a reporter. Neither is Tucker. I assume that OAN and NewsMax have both reporting and commentary, but I have not watched either enough to know what the content might be.

Are you seriously not aware of the difference between the reporting and commentary?

 

[notquiteright]

You don't seem to understand the vary clear difference between REPORTING and COMMENTARY.

REPORTING is simply REPORTING what happened.

COMMENTARY is COMMENTING on what happened.

If you are Dan Rather, then you have no idea that there is a difference between the two.

I can REPORT that my wife is a certain weight and height and that she has a given color of hair and eyes.

I can COMMENT that she is the most beautiful woman in the world.

YOU can assume that I believe BOTH to be true. However, only the REPORT is ACCURATE from the stand point of journalistic ethics.

Hannity is NOT a reporter. Neither is Tucker. I assume that OAN and NewsMax have both reporting and commentary, but I have not watched either enough to know what the content might be.

Are you seriously not aware of the difference between the reporting and commentary?

Apparently MAGA Morons don't understand as well- how many times has a 'commentary' been drug in here as fact...

 

[code1211]

And how many more people died in Alabama in 2020 compared to 2019? The 20,000 was country wide not state wide. How many in Alabama. and show me you can back up your claim. 20K country wide is a lot different than having it all in Alabama you know.

Whoopsie! My mistake.

My posting here is done with no editorial Staff to check for accuracy. Apparently, that is the same level of editorial review employed by WVTM 13.

Once again, their headline:

Alabama health officials report COVID-19 deaths surpass births​

Covid deaths in in Alabama during 2020 were, and obviously I might again be wrong, a little over 7000 and overall births were just under 60,000.

This headline is an obvious lie if the statistics they present are accurate.

 

[RAMOSS]

Whoopsie! My mistake.

My posting here is done with no editorial Staff to check for accuracy. Apparently, that is the same level of editorial review employed by WVTM 13.

Once again, their headline:

Alabama health officials report COVID-19 deaths surpass births​

Covid deaths in in Alabama during 2020 were, and obviously I might again be wrong, a little over 7000 and overall births were just under 60,000.

This headline is an obvious lie if the statistics they present are accurate.

Yes, the headline is inaccurate, geared to stupid people who can't read. However, there were more people who died from covid 19 than the gap between the births and deaths. If you subtract the covid 19 deaths from the total deaths, they would have had an increase of population. The headline was awkwardly phrased. The actual article made the proper information clearer. But, the headline was bad

 

[code1211]

Good catch, those places do blend in together for me at times.

Sounds like we both need editorial staffs.