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Μολὼν λαβέ;1059527912 said:You mean in lieu of providing enemy combatants legal representation and allowing the judicial system in the U.S. to work? Where have I heard this before?
Μολὼν λαβέ;1059527912 said:You mean in lieu of providing enemy combatants legal representation and allowing the judicial system in the U.S. to work? Where have I heard this before?
The major problem with assassination other than the ethical one is that the replacement might be worse than the one you get rid of.
Al-Jazeera footage captures 'western troops on the ground' in Libya | World news | The Guardian
So, there's a no-fly zone and boots on the ground... at what point do we get to stop calling it a "humanitarian" mission and call it more accurately : an invasion / an attempted coup d'etat??
Here is what I find interesting - I see righties taking al-Jazeera as the gospel truth. But when we were in Iraq, during the Bush administration, they exploded when links to al-Jazeera were posted, and asked why we would believe a slanted organization that sides with terrorists. Councilman put this very succinctly, with his tongue-in-cheek statement. I don't know if anybody else got the humor in what he posted, but I sure did. Nice one, Councilman. LOL.
Seriously, though, al-Jazeera has reported boots on the ground. Are they American boots? That is the question. If they are boots of another nation, which they seem to be, then what does that have to do with Obama?
What I find most heartening in this thread is that some of our most vocal righties have found something other than FOX News to accept as a reliable source, and it is al-Jazeera. Why do they hate our troops? :mrgreen:
Do you think international law is STOPPING that from happening? Has it stopped the US from sponsering it in the past, or has it stopped other powers trying to do it to us? Of course not. So what keeps this lovely world of ours spinning and what prevents people from killing each other?
The reprecussions of what would happen if people find out is what. In fact you gave a pretty good reason why yourself.
And Libya is a great example as to why it shouldnt have any particular international law against it, because when the need really arises and the US has to put a miserable bastard down then we wont look like hypocrites.
Μολὼν λαβέ;1059527912 said:You mean in lieu of providing enemy combatants legal representation and allowing the judicial system in the U.S. to work? Where have I heard this before?
No, and I believe that I heard some time ago that the Brits and French were not ruling out sending in forces.
The one thing glaring to me is that we, and when I say we I mean NATO, because that IS the US largely, are doing what most liberal whiners usually carry on about meddling in others affairs and such.
I think we need to get back to a more basic foreign policy. And become more self sufficient as a nation.
j-mac
That is very very true, but the Libyan's are not fighting for a different dictator under any particular ideology, they are fighting for freedom and fighting to end the repression.
An al-Qaeda leader of Libyan origin, Abu Yahya al-Libi, released a statement backing the insurrection a week ago, while Yusuf Qaradawi, the Qatar-based, Muslim Brotherhood-linked theologian issued a fatwa authorising Col Gaddafi's military entourage to assassinate him.
But they also agree that the leading roles in the revolution are played by a similar cross-section of society as that in Egypt next door – liberals, nationalists, those with personal experience of regime brutality and Islamists who subscribe to democratic principles.
While this is definetly a calculated risk, especially in countries that have dictators with a solid grip over the country and can successfully replace its leaders, the Arab Spring countries are definetly not as stable as that and thus not as likely to create some sort of leadership succession successfully without completely crumbling under current pressure.
Actually i think in the case of Libya it would be especially advantegous for the TNC cause.
It depends...is the current president a democrat or republican?
Al-Jazeera footage captures 'western troops on the ground' in Libya | World news | The Guardian
Flashback : Libya conflict: EU awaits UN approval for deployment of ground troops | World news | guardian.co.uk
So, there's a no-fly zone and boots on the ground... at what point do we get to stop calling it a "humanitarian" mission and call it more accurately : an invasion / an attempted coup d'etat??
Here is what I find interesting - I see righties taking al-Jazeera as the gospel truth.
You mean we're the only ones with boots on the ground, besides of course Khadaffi???
Our Libya involvement stopped being purely a humanitarian mission a long time ago (like, the day it started lol).
Just sayin'
Right, many / most (?) of them are al-quaida... you know, the same people we are at war with in Afghanistan, the people "responsible" for 9-11.... well, in Libya, because you got such a hard on for their leader (who happens to know where alot of the US's skeletons are buried, but let's not discuss that) you've decided to support our enemies... Really, think about that for a second.
Well, there's not too much that actually gets in the way of people killing each other... but what is the limit to interference in this way?? Are we just going to try to rule the world??
Actually it's just you that has made that claim with absolute conviction so far. There is little evidence to suggest Al Qaeda has any role in any of this.
In fact it has been clearly stated from every respected regional analyst that this uprising is one for the people, a tulip era against the tyranny and those who wanted to achieve this through terrorist and religious means have been left behind.
You seem to forget who blew up Pan Am, remember that before you cuddle up to this man.
Certainly not but the case of Libya is different, because the Libyan leader has decided to massacre his own people and the displacement of that war has come at the expense of European security.
A quick decisive victory from either side would be beneficial for us from a security and energy security viewpoint, sure.
However to actively support a leader who is leading a genocide against his own people make US criminals.
We should water the budding roots of every Democratic movement everywhere - this isnt imperialism, this is us supporting human rights and human dignity because we know no other system on this planet is better suited for this job.
And it is through our humanity we seek to help the rebels, and through warfare we are forced to achieve it. If removing Muammer ends the murder of children and innocent women, then i support it.
Ya... I know... crazy concept telling the truth about stuff. I mean, does anyone see how this discredits the US / NATO position of being a "humanitarian mission" as a lie, a cover-story to avoid legitimate justification for war. (though arguably there hasn't been a just war since WW2 that the US has been involved in)
Actually it's just you that has made that claim with absolute conviction so far. There is little evidence to suggest Al Qaeda has any role in any of this. In fact it has been clearly stated from every respected regional analyst that this uprising is one for the people, a tulip era against the tyranny and those who wanted to achieve this through terrorist and religious means have been left behind. You seem to forget who blew up Pan Am, remember that before you cuddle up to this man.
And what "treachery" exactly??
Certainly not but the case of Libya is different, because the Libyan leader has decided to massacre his own people and the displacement of that war has come at the expense of European security.
A quick decisive victory from either side would be beneficial for us from a security and energy security viewpoint, sure. However to actively support a leader who is leading a genocide against his own people make US criminals. We should water the budding roots of every Democratic movement everywhere - this isnt imperialism, this is us supporting human rights and human dignity because we know no other system on this planet is better suited for this job.
And it is through our humanity we seek to help the rebels, and through warfare we are forced to achieve it. If removing Muammer ends the murder of children and innocent women, then i support it.
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