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Al Gores Prediction [W:426]

Al Gores Prediction

Sorry, but no. Simply repeating the same fallacy doesn't make it less false. Without a statistically sound direct questionnaire you have no case.:peace

LOL. I look forward to your letter criticizing this article in PNAS.

Although I find it funny that you would consider a direct questionnare NOT to be 'argument from authority'.
 
LOL. I look forward to your letter criticizing this article in PNAS.

Although I find it funny that you would consider a direct questionnare NOT to be 'argument from authority'.

A direct questionnaire produces data. That is at least interesting from a sociological point of view. A survey of publication topics produces only inference, which both reflects and reinforces orthodoxy.:peace
 
Peer review is outdated, the old boys network should be buried.
Royal Society Working Group

Shortly after the release of the Cochrane review, the Royal Society, the U.K.'s leading research institution, announced it was going to examine best practices in peer review. It has set up a 10-member working group to oversee this process. Heading up the inquiry is Patrick Bateson, provost of King's College as well as biological secretary and vice president of the Royal Society. He believes that "peer review is an imperfect process."
Could Peer Review Be Wrong?

That was 2003, we're still waiting.

Peer review is f***ed up – let’s fix it

By Michael Eisen | Published: October 28, 2011
- See more at: Peer review is f***ed up – let’s fix it

[h=3]Opinion: Scientific Peer Review in Crisis | The Scientist Magazine®[/h]www.the-scientist.com › The ScientistNews & OpinionOpinion
Feb 25, 2013 - If and when peer review fails, sloppy science gets published. ... What was the involvement of the BMJ's editors? ... an observation where where it was obvious the numbers in a manuscript's table were wrong, though you would ...

[h=3]Where peer-review went wrong | Sauropod Vertebra Picture of the ...[/h]svpow.com/2012/08/05/where-peer-review-went-wrong/‎
Aug 5, 2012 - What's that? Evidence, you say? There's plenty. We all remember Arsenic Life: pre-publication peer-review didn't protect us from that. We all ...
 
Peer review is outdated, the old boys network should be buried.
Could Peer Review Be Wrong?

That was 2003, we're still waiting.

Peer review is f***ed up – let’s fix it

By Michael Eisen | Published: October 28, 2011
- See more at: Peer review is f***ed up – let’s fix it

[h=3]Opinion: Scientific Peer Review in Crisis | The Scientist Magazine®[/h]www.the-scientist.com › The ScientistNews & OpinionOpinion
Feb 25, 2013 - If and when peer review fails, sloppy science gets published. ... What was the involvement of the BMJ's editors? ... an observation where where it was obvious the numbers in a manuscript's table were wrong, though you would ...

[h=3]Where peer-review went wrong | Sauropod Vertebra Picture of the ...[/h]svpow.com/2012/08/05/where-peer-review-went-wrong/‎
Aug 5, 2012 - What's that? Evidence, you say? There's plenty. We all remember Arsenic Life: pre-publication peer-review didn't protect us from that. We all ...

What a joke. You've demonstrated no interest in science on this board whatsoever outside of your hate for a single conclusion in a single scientific discipline.


You have little concept of peer review beyond the first page of a google search.
 
What a joke. You've demonstrated no interest in science on this board whatsoever outside of your hate for a single conclusion in a single scientific discipline.


You have little concept of peer review beyond the first page of a google search.

And you know all this because? Looks to me like you have no answer for the post so you decided to attack the poster. Authority AND ad hominem on the same thread. Well done.:peace
 
Not true if you have a grasp of science as a discipline.

Really ? Well that is strange given it contradicts the claim you made about yourself yesterday and I quote

'Who cares if I understand it?' :doh

So why should any of us care a jot about what you think when you don't actually believe its important that you know anything at all about what you are talking about ? :lamo
 
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Peer review has been a joke for years, even catastrophist's favourite news rag, the Grauniad agrees.

Open access publishing hoax: what Science magazine got wrong
Open access publishing hoax: what Science magazine got wrong | Higher Education Network | Guardian Professional

If you bothered to read the Guardian piece, you'd recognize that the scandal here is not about how scientists do their research, but deals with the indefensible costs of the scientific journals who profit from research papers that they review and publish. In the days of print publishing, there was an excuse for paying a subscription to a journal to review a research paper, but in the modern internet era, these journals keep research locked down so they can keep on collecting subscription fees from everyone who wants to access them. This is many climate scientists have put research online for the public, when they feel it is in the public interest to know about it. It was the publishing scam that served as the backdrop behind a young computer (I forgot his name) scientist who committed suicide rather than face a long prison sentence for posting thousands of research papers sequestered on JSTOR.

But, the problem with open access journals - which earn their fees by collecting money upfront for publishing, rather than subscription fees, is that any idiot and his brother can start an open access journal and publish online. No surprise that quality standards are lower as a result.

The "scandal" in science...if you're really concerned about this becoming a problem, is where big money is directly behind the research itself. A quick example is medical and drug testing. There have been numerous cases where a pharmaceutical company is funding the research and demands confidentiality agreements signed by the scientists...in other words they are sworn to secrecy on penalty of libel if they divulge any information that Big Pharma doesn't want to get out to the public. And Big Pharma doesn't have to get into the lab work and make scientists alter their work or do something illegal -- the most common abuse is a drug manufacturer running a multitude of double blind research tests until they get the one that suits their purposes...such as the one with the lowest evidence of harmful side effects. There is going to be a natural statistical variability in the testing procedure, even if the same parameters are used each time. So if they have their researchers run 10 tests and pick out the best one, and demand that the lab destroy the other test results and never discuss them with outsiders, they have corrupted the scientific process. Now which side of the climate debate do you think is more likely to introduce bogus research: the institutionally funded consensus on climate change, or the oil and defense contractor-backed scientists who work for UAH?
 
I loved the "trapped by record breaking irony" line.:peace

Great use of a single word that said it all! I enjoy subtle humor! :thumbs:

Greetings, Jack. :2wave: Enjoying yourself in all that warm sunshine?
 
If you bothered to read the Guardian piece, you'd recognize that the scandal here is not about how scientists do their research, but deals with the indefensible costs of the scientific journals who profit from research papers that they review and publish. In the days of print publishing, there was an excuse for paying a subscription to a journal to review a research paper, but in the modern internet era, these journals keep research locked down so they can keep on collecting subscription fees from everyone who wants to access them. This is many climate scientists have put research online for the public, when they feel it is in the public interest to know about it. It was the publishing scam that served as the backdrop behind a young computer (I forgot his name) scientist who committed suicide rather than face a long prison sentence for posting thousands of research papers sequestered on JSTOR.

But, the problem with open access journals - which earn their fees by collecting money upfront for publishing, rather than subscription fees, is that any idiot and his brother can start an open access journal and publish online. No surprise that quality standards are lower as a result.

The "scandal" in science...if you're really concerned about this becoming a problem, is where big money is directly behind the research itself. A quick example is medical and drug testing. There have been numerous cases where a pharmaceutical company is funding the research and demands confidentiality agreements signed by the scientists...in other words they are sworn to secrecy on penalty of libel if they divulge any information that Big Pharma doesn't want to get out to the public. And Big Pharma doesn't have to get into the lab work and make scientists alter their work or do something illegal -- the most common abuse is a drug manufacturer running a multitude of double blind research tests until they get the one that suits their purposes...such as the one with the lowest evidence of harmful side effects. There is going to be a natural statistical variability in the testing procedure, even if the same parameters are used each time. So if they have their researchers run 10 tests and pick out the best one, and demand that the lab destroy the other test results and never discuss them with outsiders, they have corrupted the scientific process. Now which side of the climate debate do you think is more likely to introduce bogus research: the institutionally funded consensus on climate change, or the oil and defense contractor-backed scientists who work for UAH?

Clever post. Sadly dishonest, but clever. Using concern for honest science as a cover, you hope no one will notice your sleight of hand when you introduce (as a non sequitur) a completely unsupported slander against UAH. Also sadly, those most likely to corrupt the process are the orthodox warmist priests. Your too-clever-by-half post illustrates the moral vacuum there.:peace
 
Now which side of the climate debate do you think is more likely to introduce bogus research: the institutionally funded consensus on climate change, or the oil and defense contractor-backed scientists who work for UAH?

Please provide evidence that UAH have ever corrupted their datasets at the behest of oil and defence companies ? :roll:
 
Other than repeating this ad infinitum and saying there's nothing we can actually do about AGW anyway, what are you actually here for ?

I told you: To discuss catastrophists and the cult of perpetual denial. I'm on the side of reason, logic, pragmatism, and science valiantly fighting against the forces of superstition and darkness.
 
I told you: To discuss catastrophists and the cult of perpetual denial. I'm on the side of reason, logic, pragmatism, and science valiantly fighting against the forces of superstition and darkness.

Really ! Given to date you basically just wave a flag whilst dismissing or ignoring everything that isn't AGW agenda driven science out of hand that's actually comical ? :D
 
I told you: To discuss catastrophists and the cult of perpetual denial. I'm on the side of reason, logic, pragmatism, and science valiantly fighting against the forces of superstition and darkness.

And here is the amazing thing....

To you and your ilk, everybody who does not accept the kool-aid that mankind and his excessive CO2 is causing things to get hooter is a fraud and does not know what they are talking about.

This is what I find mind boggling. I am actually a person who believes that humans are responsible for at least part of the global warming, but it is not the CO2 that is the problem, but the massive deforestation that is going on.

Yet, I am shoved into the "Denier Group", because I dare to suggest a different cause and solution.

This is why I consider the entire movement not science, but a religion. And one that believes in "Death to all heretics".
 
Catastrophists and adherents to the cult of perpetual denial.
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Dittohead Yes.
 
Way to avoid the question.

How can I find an article addressing a preposterous notion that only you are arguing? LOL!

Somehow, I think the NAS and AAAS didn't get tricked when they carefully looked at this issue!



Then they should be proudly asserting what the prescribed test to falsify this delusion might me.
 
The authority argument, again.:lamo



This is actually the "lack of authority" argument since they seem to have no faith in their ability to support the claim upon scientific review.
 
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