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Air India flight bound for London crashes in northwestern India

Quag said:
White lever on left side, heres a pic of the panel:
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So when they reach positive climb the landing gear is retracted. When they have enough airspeed the flaps are stowed.

If someone mixed up that sequence that could be what caused this and explains the improper configuration we see in the video.
 
Allan said:
So when they reach positive climb the landing gear is retracted. When they have enough airspeed the flaps are stowed.

If someone mixed up that sequence that could be what caused this and explains the improper configuration we see in the video.
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Hard to believe anyone would get that backwards but who knows, On a related topic my son went to Europe a month ago and on the outbound flight there was a problem with the landing gear so they circled around for 1.5 hours and then came back to land. He took off again the next day without any problems but he did lose 1 full day of his vacation.
It was a B787-8 or -9
 
Allan said:
Yeah from the video you can see the flaps don't appear to be extended. There are checklists and warning systems to prevent that so this would be a huge pilot error if true.
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If true, it would not be the first accident caused by the pilots failing to extend the flaps on takeoff, despite it being a critical item on the checklist (and comes with multiple error warnings).... we had an accident in Detroit in the late '80s where failing to extend the flaps was the primary cause, and disabling the audio warning because it was annoying, a contributing factor. There have been others.

When a commercial airline stalls on takeoff, flaps (not extended or retracted too early) is usually among the first things investigators look at.... but there could be other factors, including any automated systems used on takeoff getting bad input like from a faulty sensor.

Xilnik said:
When I was traveling a lot for work a couple years ago, I overheard flight crew on many of these older planes saying the planes were not well maintained and needed to be retired. They saw a lot of issues with planes being grounded or making emergency landings. I was on one that had to turn around and fly back at a lower altitude. I feel like everyone's cutting corners to maximize profit to an absurd, dangerous degree.
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A 787 is a new airplane. That does not mean there were maintenance issues, we don't know, but the age of the equipment, in this particular case would not be a likely culprit.
 
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Reuters is reporting 290 confirmed deaths.
 
The Canadian citizen believed to be on an Air India flight that crashed shortly after takeoff is a dentist from Mississauga, Ont., her family has confirmed.

The husband of Nirali Sureshkumar Patel said she was among the 240 passengers on the London-bound flight that crashed Thursday.

Patel's dental clinic referred The Canadian Press to the husband, who said that he was in the process of booking travel to India for himself and the couple's one-year-old child.
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It looks like, for whatever reason, the plane is simply not developing enough life to maintain altitude.

Yet apparently, just earlier it managed to become fully airborne.

BTW - That's a really horrendous conflagration incurred.
 
reinaert said:
The BBC has someone on who says the flaps were already in their cruising position, which might explain the plane sinking like that, because it couldn't achieve lift. As I know almost nothing about the subject, grano salis.
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Ah, so perhaps the crew withdrew the flaps before reaching the proper airspeed?
 
Chomsky said:
It looks like, for whatever reason, the plane is simply not developing enough life to maintain altitude.

Yet apparently, just earlier it managed to become fully airborne.

BTW - That's a really horrendous conflagration incurred.
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A plane without flaps will always get airborne due to the force of the thrust against the ground. Then it gets into trouble.
 
VySky said:
Rule #1 when you lose power in an aircraft is to push. Push on the yoke to get the nose down to establish best glide speed, regardless of altitude.

Pilot did a great job in not stalling the plane which would have led to a wing drop into a spin. He ‘pushed over’ as long as he could and then pulled into the flare.

As Bob Hoover used to say. Fly the plane all the way into the crash. That’s what this pilot did.
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Good insight, VySky.

I also so remember the single vs twin comment:

"the remaining engine takes you directly to the scene of the crash"
 
reinaert said:
I don't envy him the deluge of survivor's guilt coming his way.
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Better to survive with guilt, than not at all.

I once survived what could have been a death experience due to accident. It was a solo experience, so I had no "survivor's guilt". But afterwards for the next year or two, I never felt so alive in my life. So destined. So purposed. It was an absolutely amazing feeling!

I wish I could recapture that feeling (without the experience that got me it!).
 
Manc Skipper said:
The BBC correspondent went out of his way to point out that the crashed plane had an excellent safety record unlike the sister 737max!

The tail section ended up on the roof of an apartment block perhaps the 2 reported survivors were there.
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This image was on Twitter:


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