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Air Force to provide funeral honors to Ashli Babbitt

redbeer said:
Moments before her death, she argued with two Capitol Police why they were not doing anything to stop the nonsense, even punching one of those trying to break the glass in the door, knocking his glasses off......moments later the two officers left their position at the door, the stairway became full of armed police and Babbitt was shot and killed for seeing no other way out. Right, wrong....God will judge, yet she was a service member with an honorable discharge.

Good for her family and those who knew her.......let the accusations begin, lol.
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One doesn't need accusations, there is plenty of video. This is nothing more than a **** you to non trump supporters, nothing more.
 
Disgusting. If anything every air force member should be required to piss on her grave.

****ing traitor.
 
redbeer said:
Yes it does, you are in denial for it kind of diminishes the bs narrative. The video along with the testimony of the reporter who filmed it shows Ashli Babbitt in a much different way than the official narrative of the looney left.
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She was inside the capitol illegally, no? She was a part of the crowd trying to 'stop the steal', no? She was trying to climb through a window broken by the mob who shouldn't have been there, no? So where is the hero part? She's a maga hero who dismissed her oath to the constitution to participate that day, no?
 
MAGAnificent said:
What did Floyd do to deserve the honor?
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His community came to his side. He was brutally murdered by a racist cop using extreme excessive force.

What did Babbit do to deserve the honor? She was taking part in a violent riot in service of Trump's Big Lie. All Babbit deserved (Had she lived), was a jail sentence.
 
The AntiDonald said:
His community came to his side. He was brutally murdered by a racist cop using extreme excessive force.
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Floyd had a long criminal history that included serving 5 years in prison for aggravated robbery. Is getting killed by a cop now worthy of induction into sainthood?
The AntiDonald said:
What did Babbit do to deserve the honor? She was taking part in a violent riot in service of Trump's Big Lie. All Babbit deserved (Had she lived), was a jail sentence.
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And yet she was not violent and served no prison time.
 
Bonnot said:

Air Force to provide funeral honors to Ashli Babbitt​

**** this. **** the Air Force for doing this for a violent fascist that was attempting to over throw the election because she was an indoctrinated moron and a dog shit person.
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Yes. **** this.

On behalf of the United States I apologize to the Air Force for having to carry out this task.
 
MAGAnificent said:
Floyd had a long criminal history that included serving 5 years in prison for aggravated robbery. Is getting killed by a cop now worthy of induction into sainthood?

And yet she was not violent and served no prison time.
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She was violent. She was forcing her way through an illegally broken window while being instructed to stand down by multiple Capital Police.

Why do you guys keep lying about facts that we can all watch on video?
 
redbeer said:
Moments before her death, she argued with two Capitol Police why they were not doing anything to stop the nonsense, even punching one of those trying to break the glass in the door, knocking his glasses off......moments later the two officers left their position at the door, the stairway became full of armed police and Babbitt was shot and killed for seeing no other way out. Right, wrong....God will judge, yet she was a service member with an honorable discharge.

Good for her family and those who knew her.......let the accusations begin, lol.
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I believe you left out the part about her trying to get through the broken window. Perhaps a moment of willful ignorance.
 
Granting her these honors is a good decision. She was IN the Air Force. It was foolhardy to deny her the honors in the first place out of some notion of "discredit".

Yeah, she was in the Capitol on January 6. Maybe you could have prosecuted her for some kind of treason, I dunno. To my eyes she simply was the person who happened to get in the way of a bullet. A bullet that was necessary and justifiable to fire in defense of the Senate, as surely as it would have been for a pawn shop owner defending himself in his back room from looters. And in any case, she is innocent until proven guilty, and you can't prove guilty what you shoot to death.

The Democrats' endless tantrum over January 6 - even though the armed insurgents stayed out of it - badly weakened them. Might have thrown the election. The last thing on Earth they should be doing now is whining over the granting of appropriate military honors to a fallen veteran.
 
The AntiDonald said:
She was violent. She was forcing her way through an illegally broken window while being instructed to stand down by multiple Capital Police.
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Forcing her way through a window may be breaking and entering, however it's not violence.
The AntiDonald said:
Why do you guys keep lying about facts that we can all watch on video?
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She certainly broke the law; however an immediate death penalty was a bit harsh, don't you think?
 
MAGAnificent said:
She certainly broke the law; however an immediate death penalty was a bit harsh, don't you think?
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I'm sure you understand, as a Republican, that people have a right to bear arms and defend themselves from people who smash their way into a home or business. There should be no joy in Babbitt's death, but it was legitimate self-defense. The people in the Senate had no way to know if they would be massacred.
 
bythoughts said:
I'm sure you understand, as a Republican,
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I am an independent.
bythoughts said:
that people have a right to bear arms and defend themselves from people who smash their way into a home or business.
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The Capitol was not a home or business.
bythoughts said:
There should be no joy in Babbitt's death, but it was legitimate self-defense. The people in the Senate had no way to know if they would be massacred.
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Shooting an unarmed woman was not legitimate self-defense. However using your logic, I suppose Ice agents can shoot violent protesters as well, right?
 
MAGAnificent said:
I am an independent.
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MAGAnificent... please excuse my assumption.
MAGAnificent said:
The Capitol was not a home or business.
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The Second Amendment certainly isn't limited to those locations. I think that if people at a shop or a home under attack by rioters have the same option, then a unique institution whose survival is essential for the survival of American democracy would have at least as much right.
MAGAnificent said:
Shooting an unarmed woman was not legitimate self-defense. However using your logic, I suppose Ice agents can shoot violent protesters as well, right?
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The January 6 rioters didn't go through a metal detector. They had people in the parking lot with serious weapons. And they could have simply assaulted the Senators with their bare hands ... Lord knows that appropriately-named chamber holds quite a few people on the lam from the nursing home.

I do not personally believe in the Castle Doctrine. Under that doctrine, Capitol security could have fired at the first protester to break through a window. I am only arguing for the weak, liberal notion of defense following a "duty to retreat". They went back to the Senate chamber, they let hooligans smear feces on precious artifacts, they barricaded themselves in. But the crowd didn't want to grab a few paintings - they wanted them. So violence was resorted to only when there was no other barrier to hold back the rioters. Note that this policy is like saying that you should let the burglar wander around your living room shoving silver in his backpack and maybe setting a fire for all you know, while you hole up in the bedroom and hope the cops will come. I admit, it's a weak position. But you're saying it's not weak enough! You're saying fine, let the burglar in your bedroom, hand him your gun, who knows, maybe it'll all work out!

As for ICE, I am not going to be surprised if, after demonstrators surround a van full of ICE agents and smash out the windows, a bullet gets fired from inside. I don't expect their agents, who are being hired with very few qualifications, to be ready to jiujitsu their way out, or to voluntarily let the crowd haul them out and hang them from a lamppost to become martyrs to their cause.
 

Air Force to provide funeral honors to Ashli Babbitt​


I thought it never happened. :confused:
 
Loulit01 said:
uk.news.yahoo.com

Air Force to provide funeral honors to Ashli Babbitt

The U.S. Air Force will provide Jan. 6 rioter Ashli Babbitt with military funeral honors, reversing a Biden-era decision that denied her family’s request, according to a legal group that has represented her family. Judicial Watch, the conservative legal group, on Wednesday made public a letter...
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Judicial Watch, the conservative legal group, on Wednesday made public a letter from Under Secretary of the Air Force Matthew Lohmeier, extending an offer to allow the special funeral procedures to take place.

“I understand that the family’s initial request was denied by Air Force leadership in a letter dated February 9, 2021,” Lohmeier wrote in the Aug. 15 letter shared by Judicial Watch. “However, after reviewing the circumstances of Ashli’s death, and considering the information that has come forward since then, I am persuaded that the previous determination was incorrect. As a result, I have determined that military funeral honors would bring discredit upon the Air Force,” Brian Kelly, an Air Force lieutenant general, wrote in that letter.

He additionally extended an invitation to her mother and husband to meet him at the Pentagon, so he may offer his condolences.
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I'm not a veteran so I won't say this is an insult to veterans. But I am appalled.
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Honestly, I'm in a Catch-22 on this one.

As a Navy veteran who served honorably, I'm of the opinion that any military veteran who served with honor and distinction is entitled to a basic military funeral. Moreover, IF they were a combat veteran who received heroic notoriety, i.e., Purple Heart, Navy Cross, etc., etc., then they should receive full military honors at their funeral, i.e., 21 gun salute, the works! What has so many people (mostly civilian) so upset about this reversal decision is what Ashli Babbitt did as a civilian.

Although she was exercising her 1st Amendment right to express what she believed was a legitimate grievance against her government, she also participated in conduct that many believed was a stain against the country, i.e., a failed coup, seditious conspiracy, an insurrection or at the very least a break-in of the U.S. Capital building where upon a riot ensued where hundreds from the public were literally seeking to hang the Vice President of the United States and capture members of Congress. As a result of Secret Service and Capital Police attempting defending members of Congress, she was shot and killed. This is something many Americans cannot forgive her for, whereas, others consider her to be a hero for standing up for what she (and they) believe was right.

Do I believe this reversal is the Trump Administration/Secretary of Defense's way of playing politics with an AF veteran who by many consider to be a MAGA hero? Yes

Is it morally right to honor her with a military funeral? Yes

No matter how we may feel about how Ashli Babbitt died, she was still an Air Force veteran who served honorably. As such, she's entitled to at least a basic military burial service.

An eligible veteran’s honor guard detail consists of at least two members of the armed forces, one of whom is a representative of the veteran’s service branch, according to the Department of Veterans Affairs. It also includes a ceremony including the playing of taps and the folding and presentation of the American flag to the next of kin.
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Anything beyond that...

special funeral procedures...
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...would be distasteful under the circumstances surrounding her death. So, keep it to the basics and I think folks will be fine. But if she's paraded down Main Street, USA via horse and buggy in a coffin draped with the America Flag and a drum a fife corp and a precession of marching Airmen, I'm gonna be pissed!
 
The AntiDonald said:
She was violent. She was forcing her way through an illegally broken window while being instructed to stand down by multiple Capital Police.

Why do you guys keep lying about facts that we can all watch on video?
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They expect we won't notice. They don't.
 
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