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'd like proof of a virus actually having the capacity to think as well as choose its victims.
Some do, some don't. It's not binary. Children born from a parent with HIV or a person who receives a blood transfusion didn't choose it. A person having intercourse with someone who didn't know they had HIV is another. A person having intercourse with someone they know is even another. The question is a simple one, the answer, like life, is a bit more complex.Libertarian said:If they dont' choose their victims, how do the victims get it? Do the victims choose it?
Libertarian said:Why would you ask me how is it that AIDS can "discriminate" when it is homosexual politial extremist AIDS organizations that concocted that term "discrimination" n the first place! They are the ones that chose it, so ask them! I am just merely taking their own propaganda term and showing they are lying propaganda spewers.
And to naughtynurse, the stats clearly show that male to male sexual contact is the overwhelmingly most efficient HIV seroconversion vector in L.A. County.
Frankly, it is the same everywhere in the U.S. For Americans, why should we worry that we might get HIV like Africans do if we are not African? It is like debating whether we are going to walk 5 mile through the Santa Monica Mountains to meet some friends and worry that a Cape buffalo, lion, or pack of hyenas might attack us and try to eat us.....
Wow said:Gay as opposed to straight males get tested more regularly then straight males AND are more open to admitting they have the disease. Anal sex also puts you more at risk for contracting aids. Gays also HAVE more sex then the average straight male. Gays also cannot get married which reduces chances of monogamus relatiobships. So what exactly was your point for posting all this information anyhow?
Jaxian said:Homosexual political extremist AIDS organizations, eh? Well, I'm not sure I know which organizations you're talking about...
I must say that I didn't see any noticable homosexual ties coming from these organizations. What I did see is a lot of information explaining that everyone who is sexually active is at risk, why they are at risk, and how to prevent AIDS.
I do not believe that "AIDS don't discriminate" is a slogan originating from the "Homosexual political extremist AIDS organizations" you spoke of, but from organizations genuinely interested in protecting the health of all people and preventing the spread of AIDS.
The slogan isn't meant to imply that gay people are getting AIDS in the same proportions as straight people,
That is utterly untrue. There is an entire conspiracy by homosexual AIDS groups to democratize the disease, and they have enlisted the CDC to help them fearmonger, lie and distort, and the CDC has PUBLICALLY admitted to such. Would you care to wager as to whether I have the exact person and date at the CDC and exactly what they publicalyl said available? Maybe you would like several of my over 100 instances of contradictory statistical propaganda from the radical left?
It is further possible that the majority of the people in that county are homosexual and do not use drugs, so AIDS in homosexual males shows up more often because there are more homosexuals.
Uh, "the majority of people in L.A. County are homosoexual"!
I don't mean to disagree; I think those stats probably do show that homosexuals are recieving AIDS in higher proportions in that particular county.
Across the entire US, male homosexuals are seroconverting at rates drastically disproportionate compared to heterosexual contact. Even though numerically rare compared to heterosexuals, even if you went with raw number, male homosexuals make up the vast majority of serconvertees.
The truth is that AIDS does spread through heterosexual sex, and we should encourage people to be aware of that and to practice safe sex.
But using condoms to stop HIV prevention in heterosexual communities is a drastic action based upon an almost non-existent risk, just like wearing a lightining rod is similary a disproportionate response relative to the risks. using yoru analogy, you would be better off convincing heterosexuals to wear helmets while driving.
[qiote]The "AIDS doesn't discriminate" slogan is meant to save your life, or the life of someone like you.
Please, it is not a good idea to tell people that heterosexuals in America don't have to worry about AIDS. That simply isn't true.
Libertarian said:My point was the thread title, how do you not get that?
Libertarian said:Then you must not be too familair with homosexual politics.
Libertarian said:Sorry, not everyone who is sexually active is at risk, that is just a flagrant fearmongering.
Libertarian said:I already rebutted that, and as to the latter part of the sentence, you should know that ACTUP! has been responsible for blocking responsible partner notification laws, thus enforcing silence that equals death, in direct contradiction to the slogan they created, "silence equals death". You really, REALLY don't study homosexual politics much.
Libertarian said:That is exactly what homosexual AIDS organizations want stupid, ignorant peopel to believe. It is meant to divert resources disproportionately based upon activism and propaganda, not science and reason.
Libertarian said:It simply is true, and all the epidemiology modeling proves it out.
Libertarian said:Justine.....are you as a homosexual political activist willing to go on the record here that the African AIDS epidemiological model is identical to the U.S model?
It sure does disprove your claim, is that why you're trying to discredit it by any means possible?Libertarian said:So you admit Africa is a different epidemiological model?
Libertarian said:The below chart comes from LA County health Department AIDS Surveillance reports. It does not break it down relative to the groups relative numerical representation in society, so even though homosexuals are comparatively rare to heterosexuals, not even acconting for this, look at the remarkable disparity in raw numbers of who is seroconverting based upon what vector modality, and one can see that in spite of the ACT UP! slogan designed to democratize HIV into a heterosexual epidemic, that male homosexuals ar ethe statistical risk group and overwhelming vector, evne when NOT adjusted for theri rare numbers within society.
Male risk categories
Male-male sexual contact 34193 ( 76%)
Injection drug user (IDU) 2439 ( 5%)
Male-male sexual contact/IDU 3278 ( 7%)
Hemophilia or coagulation disorder 165 ( <1)
Heterosexual contact 817 ( 2%)
Transfusion recipient 303 ( 1%)
Mother with/at risk for HIV 8 ( <1)
Other/Undetermined 3812 ( 8%)
Now if "AIDS Doesn't Discriminate", as homosexual political extremists sloganeer then why aren't as many heterosexual males aquiring AIDS at the same rates as homosexual males? For that matter, why don't female homosexual sseroconvert at the exact same rates as male homosexual sunless AIDS discriminates based upon behaviors that are disproportionately engaged in by male homosexuals?
Look at the disparity between male homosexuals and male heterosexuals. 76% for male homosexuals and 2% for heterosexual contact. And the heterosexual stats apply to those who refused to admit to any of the other frowned upon behaviors like IDU and male to male homosexual contact., thus the 2% is probably lower.
Now take into account that those who self identify as male homosexuals make up about 1.5% of the population, yet represent 76% of new AIDS cases in L.A. during the period.
Wow, I guess AIDS does discriminate, and I guess it is primarily a male homosexual disease, GRIDS-Gay Related Immune Deficiency Syndrome
Go ahead and make it now.Libertarian said:Readers, take note that another in a growing list of people here has used the "But What About Africa?" tactical cry....
As soon as enough go on record, I am going to demolish that deflecting tactic.....
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