Against “Off-Ramps” for COVID Restrictions?

[VySky]

I agree. A common question of mine is when the government overarching concern is hospitalization and deaths then it’s fair and reasonable to ask what is acceptable? What is the metric the government uses to differentiate between unacceptable rates vs acceptable?
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People are tired of the pandemic, and they really, really want to know when it can stop. There has been a lot of talk in the media about “needing off-ramps.” This refers to having concrete metrics that signal when it is time to get rid of one bothersome safety measures or another, like masks, testing requirements, or capacity restrictions. We are on the highway of pandemic restrictions, this thinking goes, and in order to endure one more second of this car ride, we need to at least know when we will be allowed to get off at an exit, presumably to our destination of “normal.”

MSN

 

[RabidAlpaca]

If people like you actually wanted the pandemic to stop you'd get vaccinated and stop spreading anti-vaxx propaganda. That is the only way we can conquer this virus and get back to normal.

Your constant nonsensical claims that politicians can just fix this without any action on your part are pathetic and unrealistic. You've repeatedly shown complete and total disregard for the over 700,000 dead Americans, and somehow find the nerve to whine about the few thousand people who got headaches from the vaccine.

Your posts are dishonest and malicious. Start encouraging your ideological kinfolk to get vaccinated instead of trying to make them fearful. Biden can't force idiots to make the right decision, and if he could, you'd whine about that too.

 

[Mycroft]

I agree. A common question of mine is when the government overarching concern is hospitalization and deaths then it’s fair and reasonable to ask what is acceptable? What is the metric the government uses to differentiate between unacceptable rates vs acceptable?
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People are tired of the pandemic, and they really, really want to know when it can stop. There has been a lot of talk in the media about “needing off-ramps.” This refers to having concrete metrics that signal when it is time to get rid of one bothersome safety measures or another, like masks, testing requirements, or capacity restrictions. We are on the highway of pandemic restrictions, this thinking goes, and in order to endure one more second of this car ride, we need to at least know when we will be allowed to get off at an exit, presumably to our destination of “normal.”

MSN

Government: Off-ramps, you say? LOL!! Forget it! We have you on the Panic Highway and we are going to KEEP YOU THERE as long as we can. (the more panicked you are, the easier it is to control and manipulate you)

 

[bluesmoke]

If people like you actually wanted the pandemic to stop you'd get vaccinated and stop spreading anti-vaxx propaganda. That is the only way we can conquer this virus and get back to normal.

Your constant nonsensical claims that politicians can just fix this without any action on your part are pathetic and unrealistic. You've repeatedly shown complete and total disregard for the over 700,000 dead Americans, and somehow find the nerve to whine about the few thousand people who got headaches from the vaccine.

Your posts are dishonest and malicious. Start encouraging your ideological kinfolk to get vaccinated instead of trying to make them fearful. Biden can't force idiots to make the right decision, and if he could, you'd whine about that too.

Two thumbs up.

 

[Mycroft]

If people like you actually wanted the pandemic to stop you'd get vaccinated and stop spreading anti-vaxx propaganda. That is the only way we can conquer this virus and get back to normal.

Your constant nonsensical claims that politicians can just fix this without any action on your part are pathetic and unrealistic. You've repeatedly shown complete and total disregard for the over 700,000 dead Americans, and somehow find the nerve to whine about the few thousand people who got headaches from the vaccine.

Your posts are dishonest and malicious. Start encouraging your ideological kinfolk to get vaccinated instead of trying to make them fearful. Biden can't force idiots to make the right decision, and if he could, you'd whine about that too.

Some comments from a judge that recently ruled against vaccine mandates...

“If boosters are needed six months after being “fully vaccinated,” then how good are the COVID-19 vaccines, and why is it necessary to mandate them?”​

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“In other words, even if you are fully vaccinated, you still may become infected with the COVID-19 virus,”​

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“Although CMS spent pages and pages attempting to explain the need for mandatory COVID-19 vaccines, when infection and hospitalizations rates are dropping, millions of people have already been infected, developing some form of natural immunity, and when people who have been fully vaccinated still become infected, mandatory vaccines as the only method of prevention make no sense,”​

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https://t.co/whbsrZe6YE?amp=1

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[bluesmoke]

As long as posters like that of the OP spread fear then those so gullible as proven will stay in panic and be under control of the likes of Trump and the Reps, further smearing COVID disease and causing more death across America. Some of the worst are those that excuse themselves from blame by saying people should get vaxxed, but support refusal to be vaxxed and do not speak out against those that refuse. How convenient to hold oneself, in their own mind, from being part and parcel to helping to keep vaccination rates down.

 

[bluesmoke]

BTW, freeway off-ramps have "off-ramps" too. Concrete (pun unavoidable) measures of when it becomes too expensive to buy the land and pay for the max size of the off-ramp to fit in the size of property that will reduce the number of vehicle accident deaths. The govt has all the stats on the curvature type and size that will produce what number of deaths and the cost thereof.

 

[BlueTex]

Some comments from a judge that recently ruled against vaccine mandates...

“If boosters are needed six months after being “fully vaccinated,” then how good are the COVID-19 vaccines, and why is it necessary to mandate them?”​

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“In other words, even if you are fully vaccinated, you still may become infected with the COVID-19 virus,”​

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“Although CMS spent pages and pages attempting to explain the need for mandatory COVID-19 vaccines, when infection and hospitalizations rates are dropping, millions of people have already been infected, developing some form of natural immunity, and when people who have been fully vaccinated still become infected, mandatory vaccines as the only method of prevention make no sense,”​

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https://t.co/whbsrZe6YE?amp=1

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The courts are not going to be refuge for the idiocy...

Sixty-two per cent of businesses plan to mandate employee vaccines

Employers need to balance health and safety legal duties with employee’s privacy and human rights protections

home.kpmg

 

[BlueTex]

I agree. A common question of mine is when the government overarching concern is hospitalization and deaths then it’s fair and reasonable to ask what is acceptable? What is the metric the government uses to differentiate between unacceptable rates vs acceptable?
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People are tired of the pandemic, and they really, really want to know when it can stop. There has been a lot of talk in the media about “needing off-ramps.” This refers to having concrete metrics that signal when it is time to get rid of one bothersome safety measures or another, like masks, testing requirements, or capacity restrictions. We are on the highway of pandemic restrictions, this thinking goes, and in order to endure one more second of this car ride, we need to at least know when we will be allowed to get off at an exit, presumably to our destination of “normal.”

MSN

Here is your off off-ramp...

 

[Mycroft]

The courts are not going to be refuge for the idiocy...

Sixty-two per cent of businesses plan to mandate employee vaccines

Employers need to balance health and safety legal duties with employee’s privacy and human rights protections

home.kpmg

LOL!!

Do you think that judge gives a rat's ass about what was reported back in August...in Canada?

(Or maybe you didn't bother to move past the headline...)

 

[The Stars Tremble]

My thinking is that US governments ran down the available good will of the people, for no good reason. Too strict restrictions, business shut-downs without consideration of the conditions in each individual business, and very little good will to start with. I'm not being partisan about that: the relationship between people and government in the US is bad, and they're both to blame for that.

With good will, it is possible to lock down a block, a suburb or a city, for two weeks or so. And it actually works: that outbreak is contained, because not exceeding the good will of the people, the people mostly comply. Without good will it's not even possible to get people vaccinated.

Tracing infections, in real time rather than academically after the fact, also requires good will of the people. It's not perfect anywhere, but it really does help to find those people who are probably infected but not (or not yet) symptomatic, before they trigger another outbreak. Tracing too depends on good will: people need to believe it will really do some good before they give over the name and address of their mistress or fancy boy, or even risk the government finding out just how much they spend on lost balls at the golf course. Yes, I consider their privacy concerns trivial, no I will not apologize when lives are on the line. But really what matters is that government can't help people when those people are so obsessed with privacy from government. The best information we have comes from f-ing Google. Apparently people trust them.

The US is a country of criminals. You get a big fat hint from the number of Americans in prison, but that's not what I mean. It's a culture of "don't snitch" which runs so deep that people won't give over the address of a place they got a legal massage, because maybe there are illegal massages going on there too. They won't tell on the Asian grocery where they bought half-price cigarettes. They won't tell on their boss for evading legal taxes. And now they are suffering the painful extraction of their elderly, the "silent generation" as punishment for quite a different kind of silence.

 

[RabidAlpaca]

Some comments from a judge that recently ruled against vaccine mandates...

“If boosters are needed six months after being “fully vaccinated,” then how good are the COVID-19 vaccines, and why is it necessary to mandate them?”​

​

“In other words, even if you are fully vaccinated, you still may become infected with the COVID-19 virus,”​

​

“Although CMS spent pages and pages attempting to explain the need for mandatory COVID-19 vaccines, when infection and hospitalizations rates are dropping, millions of people have already been infected, developing some form of natural immunity, and when people who have been fully vaccinated still become infected, mandatory vaccines as the only method of prevention make no sense,”​

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https://t.co/whbsrZe6YE?amp=1

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It is a scientific fact that the covid vaccines radically reduce your chance of being hospitalized and reduce the spread of the virus.

Literally nobody has said vaccines are the only measure that can and should be taken (masks, social distancing, etc.) and you've been vocally opposed to all the other measures as well. Show me the scientific study this judge performed.

 

[BlueTex]

LOL!!

Do you think that judge gives a rat's ass about what was reported back in August...in Canada?

(Or maybe you didn't bother to move past the headline...)

The judge has NO ability to interfere with employers imposing vaccination requirements... NONE, NADA, ZIP...

 

[VySky]

Any Government IPT team will have identifiable metrics. Its a basic principle of Project Management. Fauci needs a remedial course

 

[RabidAlpaca]

Any Government IPT team will have identifiable metrics. Its a basic principle of Project Management. Fauci needs a remedial course

You're 100% opposed to the covid vaccine and no amount of metrics will change your mind. Stop being dishonest by pretending that's what you want.

 

[BlueTex]

My thinking is that US governments ran down the available good will of the people, for no good reason. Too strict restrictions, business shut-downs without consideration of the conditions in each individual business, and very little good will to start with. I'm not being partisan about that: the relationship between people and government in the US is bad, and they're both to blame for that.

With good will, it is possible to lock down a block, a suburb or a city, for two weeks or so. And it actually works: that outbreak is contained, because not exceeding the good will of the people, the people mostly comply. Without good will it's not even possible to get people vaccinated.

Tracing infections, in real time rather than academically after the fact, also requires good will of the people. It's not perfect anywhere, but it really does help to find those people who are probably infected but not (or not yet) symptomatic, before they trigger another outbreak. Tracing too depends on good will: people need to believe it will really do some good before they give over the name and address of their mistress or fancy boy, or even risk the government finding out just how much they spend on lost balls at the golf course. Yes, I consider their privacy concerns trivial, no I will not apologize when lives are on the line. But really what matters is that government can't help people when those people are so obsessed with privacy from government. The best information we have comes from f-ing Google. Apparently people trust them.

The US is a country of criminals. You get a big fat hint from the number of Americans in prison, but that's not what I mean. It's a culture of "don't snitch" which runs so deep that people won't give over the address of a place they got a legal massage, because maybe there are illegal massages going on there too. They won't tell on the Asian grocery where they bought half-price cigarettes. They won't tell on their boss for evading legal taxes. And now they are suffering the painful extraction of their elderly, the "silent generation" as punishment for quite a different kind of silence.

The US government never conducted any real contact tracing and left it up to the states... In my state, Texas, I was never contacted after I contracted COVID... Schools in Texas are prohibited from doing any contract tracing... We get an email from the school that "someone" in the school was diagnosed and to watch for symptoms... Worthless

 

[BlueTex]

You're 100% opposed to the covid vaccine and no amount of metrics will change your mind. Stop being dishonest by pretending that's what you want.

I wonder who buys his bullshit any longer... It's obvious what the goal is...

 

[Mycroft]

and you've been vocally opposed to all the other measures as well.

I haven't been opposed to any measures. Hell, I've taken all of the measures.

But I am opposed to measures being mandated.

 

[VySky]

Plenty of comments but no interest in metrics? Anyone? LMAO... Is the death metric all that matters to the cult?

 

[Mycroft]

The judge has NO ability to interfere with employers imposing vaccination requirements... NONE, NADA, ZIP...

That judge wasn't addressing vaccination requirements from employers.

 

[BlueTex]

Plenty of comments but no interest in metrics? Anyone? LMAO... Is the death metric all that matters to the cult?

Are you afraid of a sore arm if you get vaccinated? If we all chip in and buy you a soft pillow to rest your arm on will that help alleviate your concerns?

 

[BlueTex]

That judge wasn't addressing vaccination requirements from employers.

]And the employers don't give a shit what the judge has ruled... They are imposing the requirements already...

 

[Mycroft]

]And the employers don't give a shit what the judge has ruled... They are imposing the requirements already...

Fewer and fewer...

Employers don't like the Panic Highway, either.

Here's one employer who changed their minds after a court ruling.

A federal court recently issued a preliminary injunction, temporarily blocking enforcement of the COVID-19 vaccine federal mandate by the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS). That rule is now on hold.​

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In light of these developments, we are pausing the implementation of our COVID-19 vaccine policy, which required all employees and those who provide services with us to either receive the COVID-19 vaccine or an approved exemption with accommodations. However, to further strengthen our protection of employees and patients, we will put in place additional safety requirements for employees who are unvaccinated, including periodic testing for those providing direct clinical care.​

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As a health system, we continue to strongly encourage all employees to receive the COVID-19 vaccine, and we are proud that the majority of our employees are already vaccinated.​

Updated Statement on Federal Vaccine Requirements

A federal court recently issued a preliminary injunction, temporarily blocking enforcement of the COVID-19 vaccine federal mandate by the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS). That rule is now on hold. In light of these developments, we are pausing the implementation of our COVID-19...

newsroom.clevelandclinic.org

 

[americanwoman]

I agree. A common question of mine is when the government overarching concern is hospitalization and deaths then it’s fair and reasonable to ask what is acceptable? What is the metric the government uses to differentiate between unacceptable rates vs acceptable?
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People are tired of the pandemic, and they really, really want to know when it can stop. There has been a lot of talk in the media about “needing off-ramps.” This refers to having concrete metrics that signal when it is time to get rid of one bothersome safety measures or another, like masks, testing requirements, or capacity restrictions. We are on the highway of pandemic restrictions, this thinking goes, and in order to endure one more second of this car ride, we need to at least know when we will be allowed to get off at an exit, presumably to our destination of “normal.”

MSN

Go take a walk in a full Covid unit. See and hear how they are suffering and maybe you can get a clue.

Metrics? We have like no measures or mandates here in Nebraska and all that has gotten us is filled up hospital beds dragging this on and on.

Notice the ones here that are the sickest are young and unvaccinated. I'm sick and tired of it all too and it's thanks to people like you.

COVID patients fill up all ICU beds at Omaha hospital

Doctors across the Omaha metro say enough is enough and people have to get vaccinated.

www.wowt.com

“We’re inundated, we’re struggling to take care of the people that come to our hospitals. We’re struggling to take care of the people who come here for a heart attack, or stroke, or whatever,” said Dr. Adam Wells, Methodist Hospital ICU Director.
“Every single person in our ICU is a COVID patient,” said Wells.

They say what’s most alarming is the sickest of patients, the ones on the ventilators are young. Between the ages of 18 and 40.“It’s because they’re not vaccinated,” said Boer.

How the heck can we plan for "normal" when every selfish person wants to be stubborn and not do what they need to do to stop it??

 

[VySky]

Go take a walk in a full Covid unit. See and hear how they are suffering and maybe you can get a clue.

Metrics? We have like no measures or mandates here in Nebraska and all that has gotten us is filled up hospital beds dragging this on and on.

Notice the ones here that are the sickest are young and unvaccinated. I'm sick and tired of it all too and it's thanks to people like you.

COVID patients fill up all ICU beds at Omaha hospital

Doctors across the Omaha metro say enough is enough and people have to get vaccinated.

www.wowt.com

Another example above of arm waving and no meaningful answers? What is the goal of all of this? When will Biden know he won and stamped down the virus? Zero hospitalizations, 100, 1000...... whats the number? The Government needs to offer Americans more than just the carrot and the stick. People are not buying it anymore as the low turnouts for the booster indicate.