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Arch Enemy said:I think it time it will even itself out. I am glad that the blacks are taking this opportunity to make better lives for themselves. They are on their way out of the Ghetto and in due time they will be more up to date like us whites.
No I don't think this is a problem yet...
By the way, does this poll include Professional sport players who graduated from college?
Arch Enemy said:most of them are black, a known fact, but they also make much more than any other type of normal profession.
In a bit of a surprise, the Census Bureau reported that Black and Asian women with a 4 year bachelor's degrees earn slightly more than similarly educated white women. At no surprise at all, white men with 4 year bachelor's degrees make more than anyone else.
According a the Census Bureau, a white woman with a 4 year bachelor's degree earn approximately $37,800 in 2003. This compared to approximately $43,700 earned by an Asian woman with the same education and approximately $41,100 for a black woman. Hispanic women came in on the bottom of the list with salaries of approximately $37,600 a year for a 4 year bachelor's education.
The Census Bureau data failed to explain why this gap in incomes existed, but economists and sociologists suggest a number of possible factors that may have a contributing effect:
- Minority women, and especially black women, work at more than one job compared to white women
- Minority women may work longer hours than white women
- Minority women take less time off for child birth than white women
- Minority women may get special income incentives to work in certain fields that white women would not
While the Census numbers were a bright spot for professional black women, they do not hide other troubling figures. This includes the fact that nearly 40% of families with a single black woman as the head of household were in poverty. This nearly double the percentage of head of household single white women living in poverty, according to previously released Census data in 2004.
SpheryEyne said:If minority women with a Bachelor's degree earn more than white women, I say we've come a long way and it's something to be proud of. Would it be a good thing if the figures were the other way around? Maybe, maybe not. But compared to the wage discrepancies between men and women of any and all races, I think this slight difference in wages among women is nothing to worry about.
SE
How are you defining affirmative action and what laws are you specifically objecting against?RightatNYU said:I agree, my point wasn't that we actually need Affirmative Action for whites, it was that there is no reason for it to exist anymore. All of the possible reasons suggested in that quote are not empirically based, and don't prove anything.
I agree, my point wasn't that we actually need Affirmative Action for whites, it was that there is no reason for it to exist anymore.
shuamort said:How are you defining affirmative action and what laws are you specifically objecting against?
SpheryEyne said:I would disagree on a reflexive basis. I don't know that the data quoted, which applies only to women who have earned a 4-year degree from a university, gives enough of a reason for the discontinuation of a program which is a partial reason that minority women have made these tremendous gains.
At the same time, we know that among the same college-educated men, whites have a tremendous lead over other races. According to this article, the similar stats for males look something like this:
Average Salary of College Educated Asian American Man in 2003 - $52,000
Average Salary of College Educated black American Man in 2003 - $45,000
Average Salary of College Educated white American Man in 2003 - $66,000
There still exists a massive gap here (not to mention the gender gap in all racial categories) between the front-running whites and the rest of the people. The reason for affirmative action is still very much alive and present today.
SE
OK, so what specific laws of affirmative action are you against?RightatNYU said:I am against any and every form of racial quotas, preferential treatment for specific minorities (while not for others), or advantages offered based on race, ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation, etc.
It's funny actually, many people on the left are pushing for NYU to adopt a clause in its constitution that there will not be any discrimination for any of these things, and that everything will be decided blindly. This clause would invalidate affirmative action.
shuamort said:OK, so what specific laws of affirmative action are you against?
I am against any and every form of racial quotas, preferential treatment for specific minorities (while not for others), or advantages offered based on race, ethnicity, gender, sexual orientation, etc.
OK, just a couple examples then.RightatNYU said:All of them.
shuamort said:OK, just a couple examples then.
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