Advocated Form of Government?

[Questerr]

Sea steads are going to have to set up close for trade, be it with land based or sea based. Once we get there, we will just have to see what the costs end up being, over the long haul (like when those kids and there kids are born and grow up) how much more freedom people can get with voting with their feet.

You really don’t see how your ideal government would end up being a brutal dictatorship failed state, do you?

 

[Anon]

You don’t get what a democracy is or what an oligarchy is. If people are voting an oligarchy into office, then it isn’t an oligarchy.

Greece wasn’t a democracy because all political power was held in the hands of an extremely small portion of the population (land owning males). That’s why it was an oligarchy.

If your definition is that it's oligarchy so as long as the power structure isn't voted in, then yes, your right. I just happen think a oligarchy power structure is one regardless of that is all.

 

[Anon]

You really don’t see how your ideal government would end up being a brutal dictatorship failed state, do you?

I'm open to it failing, and having to reorganize to keep and attract citizens. I'm not an ideologue, I'm open to being 100% wrong. I have to be convinced, one way or another though.

 

[LostInSeattle]

My ideal government

1. A president who is strictly head of state. (A non-controversial figurehead.)

2. A unicameral legislature elects the prime minister who is head of government.

3. The legislature has proportional representation so that everyone gets a seat at the table.

4. Elections would be conducted by those squeaky-clean people from Scandinavia. (I do not trust fellow Americans to do an honest job.)

It's fun to fantasize.

Instead we are stuck with our dysfunctional & corrupt system.

Oh, well!

You're describing the systems in Great Britain and France, except they have bicameral legislatures.

 

[Anon]

You're describing the systems in Great Britain and France, except they have bicameral legislatures.

It is, but it's the form of government they support, which may or may not have have similar policies to them. That's what this thread is supposed to be mainly about.

Feel free to share what your in favor of, if you like.

Thanks

 

[Luce]

I've never heard of that one, I'll look it up later.

Thanks

Oh, it's a hoot.

 

[Luce]

Sea steads are going to have to set up close for trade, be it with land based or sea based. Once we get there, we will just have to see what the costs end up being, over the long haul (like when those kids and there kids are born and grow up) how much more freedom people can get with voting with their feet.

I will be watching with great interest, the first time a tropical storm comes along.

 

[Luce]

You really don’t see how your ideal government would end up being a brutal dictatorship failed state, do you?

There is no other possible result.

 

[Luce]

I'm open to it failing, and having to reorganize to keep and attract citizens. I'm not an ideologue, I'm open to being 100% wrong. I have to be convinced, one way or another though.

Cabin fever alone dooms the entire idea.

 

[LostInSeattle]

I would be the monarch of the stead I created, as far as changes at a whim, I could absolutely do that... but if I do, I could lose, a majority or all of my citizens. I also would have to have very good reasons to do such a thing.

That's not absolute monarchy. Absolute power means you can do whatever you want and no one can say, "boo."

It's going to have to be a mix of trust and competition that holds any and all government officials/ruler accountable.

Not with absolute monarchy. There is no accountability. That's why we don't them any more.

Monarchy also has had much better reputations for holding traditions and stability than many (in my opinion all) other forms of government thus far. There has been monarchies reign for over a thousand years, don't know of a single democracy make it even 400 years.

Democracies are new; we have evolved into them.


My favorite form of government is more or less what he have now. Churchill once said that democracy is the worst form of government - except for the others that have been tried.

The real issue with devising an effective and stable system of government has less to do with mechanisms of governing and more to do with mechanisms involving the transfer of power. The latter is what we have done best in the United States, at least until our last President.

 

[Luce]

Any form of government can have or lack of self governance. I am very much in favor of people having a good deal of self governance, I think the market would create a good deal of healthy governance as well. Building codes from insurance companies or arbitrators competing for your business if you have a dispute are just a few examples.

This is sounding less and less absolute as time goes on.

 

[Anon]

I will be watching with great interest, the first time a tropical storm comes along.

That is a major concern, it's why location and hurricane proof infrastructure will be vital. There is people, more qualified than me, that you can look up if your actually interested in the topic.

 

[Luce]

That is a major concern, it's why location and hurricane proof infrastructure will be vital. There is people, more qualified than me, that you can look up if your actually interested in the topic.

This assumes maintenance. Which on a floating platform is going to consume 80%+ of your available resources, assuming you have enough resources at all.

This sounds like an even more dismal version of the L5 Society.

 

[Anon]

This is sounding less and less absolute as time goes on.

The form of government doesn't mean policy as I stated before.

 

[Anon]

This assumes maintenance. Which on a floating platform is going to consume 80%+ of your available resources, assuming you have enough resources at all.

This sounds like an even more dismal version of the L5 Society.

There are people already living at sea, and have been for decades though. It also doesn't have to be floating platforms.

 

[Luce]

The form of government doesn't mean policy as I stated before.

Look, an absolute monarchy means ALL of the power of the state is invested in a single individual. There is no recourse, there is no accountability, and there are no tap-backs.

I mean, unless you pull a Charles I on them.

 

[Luce]

There are people already living at sea, and have been for decades though. It also doesn't have to be floating platforms.

If you say submersible platforms I will straight up laugh out loud.

 

[Anon]

Look, an absolute monarchy means ALL of the power of the state is invested in a single individual. There is no recourse, there is no accountability, and there are no tap-backs.

I mean, unless you pull a Charles I on them.

I am aware of what a absolute monarchy is, I think all the power of the state should rest with one person. There's many reasons, religious and not that I am in favor of it.

 

[TheParser]

You're describing the systems in Great Britain and France, except they have bicameral legislatures.

I hope that the Brits keep the monarchy.

I think that a beloved monarch can lessen the political heat.

I doubt, however, that Charles will ever be as beloved as Elizabeth.

(I think that Prince Harry and his wife are harming the monarchy. I do not know whether it is on purpose or not.)

 

[Anon]

If you say submersible platforms I will straight up laugh out loud.

If you want to learn more, I encourage you to research it yourself. Also, no, I don't count those military vessels than can stay at sea. Though, they have made lots of advancements in how crazy long they can stay out to sea without having to dock, even when moving around all the time.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

The U.S. constitution has been the greatest historically to date

Pretty sure the Greeks were around long before that.

 

[Anon]

Pretty sure the Greeks were around long before that.

Hi, and welcome. I'm not sure what you mean? No one said it was, I don't think. lol

The conversation has gotten quite mixed up, so it can be hard for someone just joining.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

Hi, and welcome. I'm not sure what you mean? No one said it was, I don't think. lol

The conversation has gotten quite mixed up, so it can be hard for someone just joining.

People act like the USA is the first time democracy was tried or something.
The Constitution may be full of great ideals, but in practice the corporate fascism and oligarchy that it has morphed into is rife with serious problems.

For instance in practice the USA doesnt even have a minimal level of universal healthcare for all its citizens. From a pragmatic standpoint, there's a lot that pretty much sucks going on in the USA compared to many other developed nations. That was my only point. Theres a lot of nationalism. It doesnt compute with me.

 

[Questerr]

If you want to learn more, I encourage you to research it yourself. Also, no, I don't count those military vessels than can stay at sea. Though, they have made lots of advancements in how crazy long they can stay out to sea without having to dock, even when moving around all the time.

Name a functional independent society existing in the ocean. Note the word "society" there. A dude or a family living on a boat doesn't mean that a society could do so.

Your obsession with sea steading is naïve. It's a concept that comes out of insane Randian anarcho-capitalist/Objectivist nonsense, and combined with your advocacy for absolute monarchy, it makes me wonder if you are a Triple-H'er.

 

[Anon]

Name a functional independent society existing in the ocean. Note the word "society" there. A dude or a family living on a boat doesn't mean that a society could do so.

Your obsession with sea steading is naïve. It's a concept that comes out of insane Randian anarcho-capitalist/Objectivist nonsense, and combined with your advocacy for absolute monarchy, it makes me wonder if you are a Triple-H'er.

Name a democracy that has lasted for a thousand years without a collapse, one way or another. Asking me to name something I already said isn't here yet, and is being developed and because it doesn't yet, isn't an argument. Imagine we said that about all the advancements we are working towards. Also, technological innovation doesn't have anything to do with ideology, saying I think will be able to get on the sea, shouldn't have a random woman's ideas thrown in with it. If you think we will not be able to get sea pods or anything else like it technological, tell me why you think that.