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This is absolutely ridiculous. So when are they going to send Spielberg to prison for depicting the killing so many people? Or Peter Jackson for depicting animal cruelty. Quinton Tarantino and Rob Zombie should be on ****ing death row right now.
The material he produced was the worst kind of filth and the world would be a better place without either it or him. I can only hope that the conviction is not overturned on appeal-- and that in either case he does not simply immediately resume his disgusting and antisocial behaviors upon his release from prison.
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There is a difference between depicting abuse and degradation as a subject of fictional material and glamorizing or promoting it as desirable and normal social conduct. His films did the latter and encouraged countless people to treat others as depicted in his films and to view such treatment as normal and healthy. There is no place for such things in a civilized society.
So did the 2 girls 1 cup director ever get charged?Adult film director Max Hardcore sentenced to 4 years in prison on obscenity charges
A US District Court in Florida has sentenced "extreme shock porn" gonzo director and distributor Max Hardcore, aka Paul F. Little, to four years in prison over obscenity charges. Writing for Salon, Glenn Greenwald wrote that he believes the verdict is a blow to first amendment rights:
"So, to recap, in the Land of the Free: if you're an adult who produces a film using other consenting adults, for the entertainment of still other consenting adults, which merely depicts fictional acts of humiliation and degradation, the DOJ will prosecute you and send you to prison for years. The claim that no real pain was inflicted will be rejected; mere humiliation is enough to make you a criminal. But if government officials actually subject helpless detainees in their custody to extreme mental abuse, degradation, humiliation and even mock executions long considered "torture" in the entire civilized world, the DOJ will argue that they have acted with perfect legality and, just to be sure, Congress will hand them retroactive immunity for their conduct. That's how we prioritize criminality and arrange our value system."
The hometown Tampa, FL paper where Little was convicted wrote about the case in a condemning tone:
His pornographic persona, Max Hardcore, is all swagger and sadism - forcing women in his movies to do things that can't be described in a family newspaper. But in federal court today, as he faced a federal prison sentence, Paul F. Little trembled and begged a woman for mercy. "It just seems a very high price to pay, I think," Little told U.S. District Judge Susan Bucklew, "and I ask you to understand how much I've suffered."
Judge Sentences Porn Producer To 46 Months In Prison (Tampa Bay Online). Similar accounts published in Max Hardcore's home town paper, The Pasadena (CA) Star-News, and in this Tampa Bay paper.
Why was Little, aka Hardcore, convicted in Florida, when the offending material was produced elsewhere and distributed in many places, even overseas? IANAL, but as I understand it: producers are subject to obscenity charges in any state the material can be downloaded when local standards deem the material to be obscene. The landmark Supreme Court case of Hustler Magazine v. Falwell is informative background reading.
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Hah. Guess I get to be the first to say that I applaud this conviction.
The material he produced was the worst kind of filth and the world would be a better place without either it or him. I can only hope that the conviction is not overturned on appeal-- and that in either case he does not simply immediately resume his disgusting and antisocial behaviors upon his release from prison.
Too much to hope for, but I cannot do otherwise.
There is a difference between depicting abuse and degradation as a subject of fictional material and glamorizing or promoting it as desirable and normal social conduct. His films did the latter and encouraged countless people to treat others as depicted in his films and to view such treatment as normal and healthy. There is no place for such things in a civilized society.
Hey he never made women eat crap (that I know of). I guess you'd better track down the 2 Girls 1 Cup director next - now that was disgusting.Hah. Guess I get to be the first to say that I applaud this conviction.
The material he produced was the worst kind of filth and the world would be a better place without either it or him. I can only hope that the conviction is not overturned on appeal-- and that in either case he does not simply immediately resume his disgusting and antisocial behaviors upon his release from prison.
Too much to hope for, but I cannot do otherwise.
There is a difference between depicting abuse and degradation as a subject of fictional material and glamorizing or promoting it as desirable and normal social conduct. His films did the latter and encouraged countless people to treat others as depicted in his films and to view such treatment as normal and healthy. There is no place for such things in a civilized society.
There is a difference between depicting abuse and degradation as a subject of fictional material and glamorizing or promoting it as desirable and normal social conduct. His films did the latter and encouraged countless people to treat others as depicted in his films and to view such treatment as normal and healthy. There is no place for such things in a civilized society.
Nope. And I doubt he'll answer my question about whether it's fair just to charge Max, but not the actual film actors either. Or whether the 2 girls 1 cup director should be charged for "making" women eat crap.Again, can you refer to any empirical research that illustrates a causative link between the prevalence of such material and negative consequences such as increased rates of violent or sexual crimes?
This is absolutely ridiculous. So when are they going to send Spielberg to prison for depicting the killing so many people? Or Peter Jackson for depicting animal cruelty. Quinton Tarantino and Rob Zombie should be on ****ing death row right now.
Hah. Guess I get to be the first to say that I applaud this conviction.
The material he produced was the worst kind of filth and the world would be a better place without either it or him. I can only hope that the conviction is not overturned on appeal-- and that in either case he does not simply immediately resume his disgusting and antisocial behaviors upon his release from prison.
I don't know why he thinks that Max Hardcore's films have "corrupted normal people". How many "normal people" even know who Max Hardcore is, much less wank to that stuff? :lol:Your opinion of his work (which I happen to agree with your opinion of it) is irrelevant. If you don't approve of his work, don't buy it. There is a thing called the first amendment, you might want to read it sometime.
This case should be appealed and hopefully overturned.
It is not illegal nor should it be to be filthy and disgusting or anti social.
I consider people like Hannity filthy and disgusting as well as this this porn guy but I will fight for their rights.
There is this thing in the United States called the Constitution and the Bill of Rights you might want to read them.
Also I suggest you read 18 U.S.C 2427 you will find that all of the folks who were part of these films were of legal age and did these with consent.
Hey he never made women eat crap (that I know of). I guess you'd better track down the 2 Girls 1 Cup director next - now that was disgusting.
I've also got a list of about 1,000,000 porn videos that you might want to report to the FCC and track down since we've set a new precent for "obscenity laws" with this case. :roll:
What is it with "liberals" who scream tolerance but think it's their business to dictate to others how to be "civilized"?
Yes they do. And if I wanted to, I could exercise said right in 2 minutes of a google search right now. :lol:People do not have any "right" to this kind of filth
What if my religion allows me to practice cannibalism? Some tribal religions do.our right to hold our religious, moral, and political beliefs and express them freely.
I think the Bible should be banned because the Old Testament contains commands to kill children and infants and pimp out underage girls.It was never intended to be a shield for this kind of socially and morally corrosive sludge, and the fact that it has been expanded to act as such is as a gross distortion of the law as these films are a distortion of wholesome human sexuality.
More like, good luck with that. :lol:Good. That means that they can be charged as well.
Go grab a Playboy and calm down bro. :2razz:If I could, I would. I've thankfully managed to avoid seeing it so far, but from what I know of its content, it would certainly qualify. The fact that so many people seem to be defending this sort of conduct disturbs me. And the fact that it is impossible to enforce these laws against Internet porn producers-- who are frequently operating out of either liberal or lawless countries-- does not mean that we should not attempt to enforce them when and where we can against people who violate them domestically.
You know some states still technically have laws such as "it's illegal to hit your wife with a stick thicker than your forearm" etc etc. Here's a few just from Arizona. You think we should enforce these too?New precedent? I am certain that these videos would have been found in violation of every obscenity law that has ever been written-- especially within the United States--
In Iran, a girl wearing lipstick is considered "whorish and unthinkable" - but her father raping her and setting her on fire as "discipline" is considered "a just form of punishment". I guess Iran's come a lot further than we have.and that the degree to which Mr. Little has indulged in such obscenity would have been considered unthinkable in any era in which those laws were routinely enforced.
With any luck, because this made news, Max Hardcore's film dowloads are going to increase by 1000% over the next month just out of curiosityWith any luck, this conviction will establish that once again there are a set of bare minimum guidelines for decency which must be observed in the production of materials for public consumption.
You just came across as a feminist. If you're not a liberal, then I apologise (though I can't tell the difference between a lot of social conservatives and "liberal" feminists".)Look to the left of this, or any of my other, posts and tell me where you see the word "liberal." In fact, I dare you to find a post of mine where I endeavor to defend "rights" or freedom in general outside of a carefully constrained list-- which is limited either to those freedoms which are most conducive to a citizen being capable of fulfilling his duties to society, or to those freedoms which are essential to limiting the degree of corruption in government.
Hell, when have I ever spoken up in favor of "tolerance" as either a moral or civic virtue?
Yes they do. And if I wanted to, I could exercise said right in 2 minutes of a google search right now. :lol:
What if my religion allows me to practice cannibalism? Some tribal religions do.
I think the Bible should be banned because the Old Testament contains commands to kill children and infants and pimp out underage girls.
Go grab a Playboy and calm down bro. :2razz:
You know some states still technically have laws such as "it's illegal to hit your wife with a stick thicker than your forearm" etc etc. Here's a few just from Arizona. You think we should enforce these too?
In Iran, a girl wearing lipstick is considered "whorish and unthinkable" - but her father raping her and setting her on fire as "discipline" is considered "a just form of punishment". I guess Iran's come a lot further than we have.
You just came across as a feminist. If you're not a liberal, then I apologise (though I can't tell the difference between a lot of social conservatives and "liberal" feminists".)
Why not just jump on the feminist bandwagon and campaign to ban "sexist" panties next?
Hah. Guess I get to be the first to say that I applaud this conviction.
The material he produced was the worst kind of filth and the world would be a better place without either it or him. I can only hope that the conviction is not overturned on appeal-- and that in either case he does not simply immediately resume his disgusting and antisocial behaviors upon his release from prison.
Too much to hope for, but I cannot do otherwise.
There is a difference between depicting abuse and degradation as a subject of fictional material and glamorizing or promoting it as desirable and normal social conduct. His films did the latter and encouraged countless people to treat others as depicted in his films and to view such treatment as normal and healthy. There is no place for such things in a civilized society.
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