taxigirl
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States' efforts to curve voting fraud have attracted an outcry from Democrats, but Laura Murphy, the Washington Chapter head of the American Civil Liberties Union upped the ante Thursday when she compared recent voter identification laws to poll taxes and Jim Crow-era laws.
"No eligible citizen should have to pay to vote," Murphy says. "The ACLU believes requiring voters to obtain a government-issued photo ID in order to vote is tantamount to a poll tax."
Murphy argued during a presentation at the National Press Club that the new laws have been adopted by largely Republican-controlled state houses and target minorities in the same way literacy tests and poll taxes once did.
If not the ACLU then pick your source. Several other organizations have filed suit as well, people were turned away from the polls because they did not have ID. Some people cannot get ID because of lacking Birth Certificates for various reasons, lacking transportation to get somewhere to get ID, etc...In other news, recent scientific studies have revealed that the ACLU is often full of ****.
If not the ACLU then pick your source. Several other organizations have filed suit as well, people were turned away from the polls because they did not have ID. Some people cannot get ID because of lacking Birth Certificates for various reasons, lacking transportation to get somewhere to get ID, etc...
If not the ACLU then pick your source. Several other organizations have filed suit as well, people were turned away from the polls because they did not have ID. Some people cannot get ID because of lacking Birth Certificates for various reasons, lacking transportation to get somewhere to get ID, etc...
Yeah, look....
It is hard to get by in the modern world without picture ID. Honestly, how many people do you know that don't have some kind of ID?
Voter fraud is a serious matter. It doesn't take a lot of study to see that there may be hundreds of thousands of fraudulent votes in every election cycle.
Asking for some ID is common sense and not unreasonable and DOES NOT TARGET ANY RACE OR CREED!
If photo ID is racist then by gosh why do I have to show one all the gosh-darn time!
It is not necessarily just racist. There are plenty of older folks who do not have birth certificates and cannot afford the expense of getting one and certificates are usually a requirement to get other ID. Many people who are poor, cannot get ID, etc...
Can you show that voter fraud is a serious problem that needs to be addressed? When and where does it happen? Do people often go and say they are someone else just to get another vote in. I think there is a problem counting votes, but not casting them, unless there is a hanging chad or two. :wink2:
It is not necessarily just racist. There are plenty of older folks who do not have birth certificates and cannot afford the expense of getting one and certificates are usually a requirement to get other ID. Many people who are poor, cannot get ID, etc...
I am a supporter of the ACLU, but I think they are missing the mark on this one.
Insisting on a photo ID is not an unreasonable requirement. People simply cannot interact in the modern world without a photo ID.
How do said elderly cash thier pension/social security checks?
all of a sudden I am hearing crickets chirpin.
all of a sudden I am hearing crickets chirpin.
You are ignoring the elderly, which show up in higher numbers to vote than other age groups. They don't need jobs for the most part, they don't need ID to drink, many do not drive and many have never had to have ID. Where is the voter fraud that requires we ask for ID?
When was the last time you needed ID to have a check deposited via electronic transfer?
As for ACORN, there was voter registration fraud, not the actual casting of ballots.
You had to have ID to open the account.
If there is registration fraud, it is reasonable to expect voter fraud to accompany it.
You had to have ID to open the account.
If there is registration fraud, it is reasonable to expect voter fraud to accompany it.
Many elderly do drive and many elderly cash and write checks.There is no reason why someone can not get an ID even in states that have people pay for IDs.IDs are not expensive.Seeing how many elderly do not work they have time to obtain a birth certificate from their state of birth. The ACLU is full of **** on this one.You are ignoring the elderly, which show up in higher numbers to vote than other age groups. They don't need jobs for the most part, they don't need ID to drink, many do not drive and many have never had to have ID. Where is the voter fraud that requires we ask for ID?
Guess who trained ACORN leaders and represented them in court? Guess who donated $ to ACORN?
The 93-year-old Mitchell voted for the first time in 1931, soon after women gained the right to vote in the United States.
"It meant a lot to me," said Mitchell.
Mitchell worked as a maid cleaning the State Capitol, specifically the governor's office.
She has known governors, legislators and council members personally for decades.
This week Mitchell found out her old state ID with her picture on it is no longer enough to qualify her to vote.
"When he told me I may be in this country illegally, I said I've been over here all my life," said Mitchell.
The state's new voter ID law means Mitchell now needs a birth certificate to get a new picture ID.
Mitchell was born in Stevenson, Ala., in 1918. She was delivered by a midwife and has never had a birth certificate.
Her niece is not sure one even exists anymore.
"She's worked here 30 years," said niece Beverly Jones. "I mean, she is 93. What more would they want?
Problem is often not the idea of voter identification. The problem is that it is often a specific identification that is required, and getting said specific identification is not easy. That is specifically designed to disenfranchise certain segments of the population. It is no different than the racist rules for voting that was present in the south during segregation.
When you have situations like this..
Longtime state employee may be blocked from voting - Action News 5 - Memphis, Tennessee
can happen, then you know that the laws being made are made for denying people the right to vote, instead of making the system safe from fraud. And it is not an isolated situation.
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