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Access to contraceptives bill defeated...

FallingPianos said:
in general I support a businesses right to choose which products to sell and not sell, however I think that the medical profession needs to be held to higher ethical standards than that.
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But who's ethics? Your ethics? My ethics (they are few and far between, I know, but stay with me here...)? What gives anyone the right to impose their ethics on others? Why are you anti-choice?

FallingPianos said:
in my opinion, medicine and business simply don't mix. people in the medical profession obviously deserve compensation for their work (and good compensation considering the amount of schooling they went through), however I simply do not think its ethical to run a medical facility like a business where the ultimate goal is profit. this includes pharmacies.
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WTF is the point in owning interests in a pharmaceuticals if you're not going to make money off of other people's suffering? Those lab monkeys aren't free, you know.

FallingPianos said:
I fully believe that the medical profession should be regulated in ways that other private businesses wouldn't be. and this includes requiring pharmacies to carry the MAP and prohibiting pharmacists from declining to dispense it based on personal belief.
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So, you get to exorcize your belief on others, those being the entire medical profession, yet others may not exorcize their belief on you.

See folks, that's what happens when you let them vote.
 
As others have mentioned, businesses should be free to sell or refuse to sell whatever they wish.

However, employees of a company are bound by what their employer desires. (i.e., I don't believe that a pharmacist employed by a pharmacy that DOES sell contraceptives should be allowed to refuse to sell them) If said employee doesn't like their employers "ideals", then said employee can find work elsewhere.

I currently live in a town with a population of 5000. There are three pharmacies in this town, and plenty more within a 20 min drive.
 
OKgrannie said:
You don't live in a small town. The small town I live near has one pharmacy, it's twenty-five miles to the next town. Just because we live in a isolated area doesn't mean we are rednecks or hicks tho. And conversely, just because you live in a highly-populated area doesn't mean you are superior in any way.
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25 miles or pregnancy...hmmm...

Doesn't take a genius to pick the right choice here grannie.
 
RightOfCenter said:
25 miles or pregnancy...hmmm...

Doesn't take a genius to pick the right choice here grannie.
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And if that town doesn't have a pharmacy which sells MAP or hormonal BC? The next county over from mine has 4 pharmacies, all owned by the same man. That one man can deny hormonal BC or MAP to all the women living in that county.
 
RightOfCenter said:
25 miles or pregnancy...hmmm...

Doesn't take a genius to pick the right choice here grannie.
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If they don't have a vehicle, or don't know how to drive (as I didn't, for most of my life), 25 miles is an awfully long walk.
I doubt they'd make it in time.
 
1069 said:
If they don't have a vehicle, or don't know how to drive (as I didn't, for most of my life), 25 miles is an awfully long walk.
I doubt they'd make it in time.
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I don't mean to sound cruel or apathetic but the reality is that its just not the problem of a shop owner. He can sell anything he likes or not sell anything he doesn't like.
 
jallman said:
I don't mean to sound cruel or apathetic but the reality is that its just not the problem of a shop owner. He can sell anything he likes or not sell anything he doesn't like.
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Right. Until we pass laws to the contrary, which is what I'm hoping for.
 
1069 said:
Right. Until we pass laws to the contrary, which is what I'm hoping for.
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But you can't pass laws forcing an individual to sell a service he doesn't want to sell.
 
jallman said:
But you can't pass laws forcing an individual to sell a service he doesn't want to sell.
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I have to agree with this. I don't know what's up with the current anti-property rights movement which is out there, but if a private business owner has a business they can choose to sell or not sell any legal item they choose. Some things require licenses and such, but so long as you have the proper license it is up to you as the business owner to decide which legal products you choose to sell.
 
new coup for you said:
why do you support BIG GOVERNMENT, don't you believe in the CONSTITUTION?!
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Government does for us what we cannot do for ourselves. And I am not supporting it being a federally run system of clinics but if a municipality wants to run a clinic, I could support that.
 
OKgrannie said:
And if that town doesn't have a pharmacy which sells MAP or hormonal BC?
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....I suppose next you're going to require hospitals to give free elective abortions using the same argument?

OKgrannie said:
The next county over from mine has 4 pharmacies, all owned by the same man. That one man can deny hormonal BC or MAP to all the women living in that county.
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He's my personal hero.
 
jallman said:
How about charitable organizations then?
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I love it when people present suggestions I made the previous day :cool:

For the life of me I don't understand why PP can't make free BC available for overnight delivery, online, for those who live out in the But****ing Egypt.
 
Jerry said:
I love it when people present suggestions I made the previous day :cool:
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I rarely ever read anything you write unless it is directed at me specifically.

For the life of me I don't understand why PP can't make free BC available for overnight delivery, online, for those who live out in the But****ing Egypt.
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I dunno either. I think if they focused their service more on birth control and less on abortion a lot of problems would be solved.
 
new coup for you said:
How about instead of forcing concerned liberals to work for free the government just does it.
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Because its not the place of government to do charity work. And its not just liberals that are concerned. Most charitable donations come from conservatives.
 
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