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Academic Liberal Progressive Fascism Threatens Conservative Paper for Satirizing Terr

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VanceMack said:
Liberal/progressive thought is never 'abrasive'. :roll:
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jet57 said:
Oh sure it is, but not like right-wing rhetoric.
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I think what you are saying there Jet is that Liberal/progressive thought is never abrasive to you, but that right-wing rhetoric is to you.

Casting it into the general case, isn't necessarily accurate nor applicable. This is just your opinion on this.

Have a nice day!
 
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hobgoblin said:
It's very curious indeed that satirizing terrorists 'offends the U. of M. Community', isn't it?

This is a 'community' that, like a great many university communities since the late 60s when, through college deferments, the New Left professoriate assumed power there and wrnt out of its WAY to get into the faces of and offend the feelings of patriots, Christians, Jews and every other unprotected group, all in the name of 'freedom of expression'. But i guess islamists who behead and burn alive are are protected victim group, and not NEARLY as awful as 'those people': Protestants and Catholics. It's open season on them.

Anyway, what YOU call 'the U. Of M. community' is actually a small cadre of liberal progressive activists enforcing ideological conformity. In short: fascists. ( a very progressive ideology in its day, especially in the 20s).

It offends against everything a university is supposed to be, an arena of free thought, not a hothouse of approved and allowed attitudes.
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Well, what do you expect from the progressive / liberal, excessively politically correct cesspool that higher education has become with all it's liberal / progressive indoctrination?

Hell, the ideological academicians start with the indoctrination in grade school now.
 
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eohrnberger said:
Well, what do you expect from the progressive / liberal, excessively politically correct cesspool that higher education has become with all it's liberal / progressive indoctrination?

Hell, the ideological academicians start with the indoctrination in grade school now.
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It's very true, we live in a very philistine, semi-educated dark age when it comes to the university, at least as far as the arts and humanities go.

One actually comes out of four years there DUMBER and KNOWING LESS than going in. Unless you're going into the hard sciences and professions, it's money wasted.

As Thomas Carlyle said (something echoed by Ray Bradbury and countless other writers) the best education is a well-stocked library.
Most great writers and thinkers used their university years to get drunk, carouse and party in, what they learned they learned on their own.

As for the 'dumber after university than before it' thing:

http://rense.com/general78/dumber.htm
 
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hobgoblin said:
It's very true, we live in a very philistine, semi-educated dark age when it comes to the university, at least as far as the arts and humanities go.

One actually comes out of four years there DUMBER and KNOWING LESS than going in. Unless you're going into the hard sciences and professions, it's money wasted.

As Thomas Carlyle said (something echoed by Ray Bradbury and countless other writers) the best education is a well-stocked library.
Most great writers and thinkers used their university years to get drunk, carouse and party in, what they learned they learned on their own.

As for the 'dumber after university than before it' thing:

Ivy League Students Actually Getting Dumber In College
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Frankly, I'm far less concerned about it being philistine or not. Far more interested in technical and business competence, you know, the things that drive the economy forward? Last I heard, the demand for the soft sciences is flat, and that particular job market is very tight. Not so in business and technical sciences.
 
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eohrnberger said:
I think what you are saying there Jet is that Liberal/progressive thought is never abrasive to you, but that right-wing rhetoric is to you.

Casting it into the general case, isn't necessarily accurate nor applicable. This is just your opinion on this.

Have a nice day!
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No, I'm saying that right-wing rhetoric is very mean spirited and people don't like that. It's uber nationalistic, borderline racist and smacks of extremism. I think that the U of M trying to quell that type of 'meanness' as not representative was a good thing to do.

Have good day yourself man!
 
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jet57 said:
No, I'm saying that right-wing rhetoric is very mean spirited and people don't like that. It's uber nationalistic, borderline racist and smacks of extremism. I think that the U of M trying to quell that type of 'meanness' as not representative was a good thing to do.

Have good day yourself man!
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Ever listen to MSNBC? Ed Schultz? Randi Rhodes?

Granted...since they have lost their shows you too may have not listened to them. Still...
 
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jet57 said:
No, I'm saying that right-wing rhetoric is very mean spirited and people don't like that. It's uber nationalistic, borderline racist and smacks of extremism. I think that the U of M trying to quell that type of 'meanness' as not representative was a good thing to do.

Have good day yourself man!
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VanceMack said:
Ever listen to MSNBC? Ed Schultz? Randi Rhodes?

Granted...since they have lost their shows you too may have not listened to them. Still...
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I'd have to agree. A bad case of select hearing and selective recall on Jet's part.

What of all the baseless accusations of racism of the right of the left when applied to differences of opinion and position in policy matters? This isn't mean spirited?
(Of course not, it's against people with whom I disagree - gotcha)
 
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VanceMack said:
Ever listen to MSNBC? Ed Schultz? Randi Rhodes?

Granted...since they have lost their shows you too may have not listened to them. Still...
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I did listen to Ed for while when he was on another station and I did listen to Randi every day. Neither were abusive.
 
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jet57 said:
I did listen to Ed for while when he was on another station and I did listen to Randi every day. Neither were abusive.
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They must grow REALLY good weed in your neck of the woods.:shock:
 
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jet57 said:
I did listen to Ed for while when he was on another station and I did listen to Randi every day. Neither were abusive.
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You had no credibility going into this. Multiplied.
 
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jet57 said:
I don't see it as censoring, anymore than a credible news agency would not allow op-ed pieces to do the same thing. The abrasiveness of conservative thought is often quite offensive to people and I think that's where the university is coming from and I would support that.
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What exactly was abrasive about the photos shown? Is it not true that there have been Arabs engaged in terrorism?
And they went back to 2011!!!! Nobody is still around from then.
C-e-n-s-o-r-s-h-i-p
 
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jet57 said:
You don't know what a fascist is number one.

Conservative thought is abrasive because it's made up of callus egocentric, ethnocentric and religiocentric individuals who are angry at everything. With the conservative set is has never been about country but an agenda of Darwinism and hegemony. The U of M obviously doesn't want that agenda in its school or as a representative of its student media, and again I would support that. When I want the truth I read books and frequent credible journalism instead of Rush Limbaugh and Fox News. The school is exactly right, the conservative bent is gone and that's it.
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Hmmm, I am not sure you know what fascism is either...It is actually a rather difficult term to tie down, and is in much debate of the actual meaning... it's basically can only be brought out by individual basis rather than a political philosophy.

So, he's technically not that wrong accusing you of being a fascist... the term isn't well defined or agreed upon. Listing reasons for the accusation would be helpful...

"a genus of political ideology whose mythic core in its various permutations is a palingenetic form of populist ultranationalism"-a quote from Robert Griffin.... who is a famous political historian, seems to bring out certain themes fascism seems to have.
-promoting a Utilitarian culture
-Populist
-anti-Conservatism
-pursuing agenda for the greater good even with unethical means
- decrease in civil liberties such as the 2nd amendment and freedom of speech
-borrowed theories and terminology from socialism but replaces socialism's focus on class conflict with a focus on conflict between nations and races(kind of true, but in the opposite way)
...may be all of what you are being accused of
Fascism usually gets it's power from the culture it's promoting, and I assume the progressive-liberal culture is what the OP is referring to


I don't really have an opinion on the matter, just pointing out that Fascism is actually pretty ambiguous to begin with and probably is incorrectly placed on the far right wing... it has features in it of a lot of politically ideologies on both spectrum's.
 
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This liberal says: If it is a state school and funds are made available to other groups expressing a range of opinions, then I think they should be free to express their views as they see fit, even if they are assholes.
 
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Hard Truth said:
This liberal says: If it is a state school and funds are made available to other groups expressing a range of opinions, then I think they should be free to express their views as they see fit, even if they are assholes.
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To tell you the truth, I say we buy every conservative like this a bull horn and let them yell their views at the top of their lungs. All taking away their publication does is let them pretend to be martyrs while letting them express their views just shows people what is actually motivating their ideology.
 
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eohrnberger said:
Well, what do you expect from the progressive / liberal, excessively politically correct cesspool that higher education has become with all it's liberal / progressive indoctrination?

Hell, the ideological academicians start with the indoctrination in grade school now.
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As someone who works in higher education (in one of the most leftist parts of the nation) I am always intrigued when I hear about left-wing political indoctrination. I am not a Democrat so that's the type of thing I would notice and be offended by. Out of curiosity, what is the basis for your claim that higher education is all about indoctrination of the type liberal/progressive (I at least give you credit that, unlike the OP, you use terms that aren't mutually exclusive like liberal/fascist)? Please don't say "everyone knows that" or some other form of tautology. Where do you get this impression?
 
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Anytime someone unironically uses the words "liberal" and "progressive" in immediate succession, you can rest assured that person is completely full of crap.
 
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Hypatia said:
As someone who works in higher education (in one of the most leftist parts of the nation) I am always intrigued when I hear about left-wing political indoctrination. I am not a Democrat so that's the type of thing I would notice and be offended by. Out of curiosity, what is the basis for your claim that higher education is all about indoctrination of the type liberal/progressive (I at least give you credit that, unlike the OP, you use terms that aren't mutually exclusive like liberal/fascist)? Please don't say "everyone knows that" or some other form of tautology. Where do you get this impression?
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And the list goes on and on.
 
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eohrnberger said:


And the list goes on and on.
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OMG! This is what's going on in schools - even grade schools?Unbelievable! :eek: :thumbdown:
 
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eohrnberger said:


And the list goes on and on.
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Ya'know, I have to say that I think that all of what you've posted as well as the OP is simply partisan opinion. "Liberal", which the founders were, means to source from everywhere in thinking and decision making. Thus higher education relies on many different sources in curriculum. The narrow focus is antithetical to an education about the world and human history. Clear research, human experience and results determine what works well in world and the narrow focus of conservatism clearly does not.
 
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eohrnberger said:


And the list goes on and on.
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Ya'know, I have to say that I think that all of what you've posted as well as the OP is simply partisan opinion. "Liberal", which the founders were, means to source from everywhere in thinking and decision making. Thus higher education relies on many different sources in curriculum. The narrow focus is antithetical to an education about the world and human history. Clear research, human experience and results determine what works well in the world and the narrow focus of conservatism clearly does not.
 
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jet57 said:
Ya'know, I have to say that I think that all of what you've posted as well as the OP is simply partisan opinion.
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Funny. When faced with actual facts, actual instances of things that happened, you are claim it's 'partisan opinion'. With all the claims of 'science denier' I guess a claim of fact denier would be most appropriate in this case.

jet57 said:
"Liberal", which the founders were, means to source from everywhere in thinking and decision making.
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Actually, what we consider as 'liberal', 'progressive' and 'conservative' now a days didn't really establish itself until after the civil war or so.
At that time, “liberal” was almost always used in a positive sense and almost always referred to the virtue of liberality. A person was liberal not by having a particular set of political beliefs but by possessing this particular virtue. Following the ancients, especially Aristotle, Americans understood liberality first as the virtue of free and rational generosity. Liberality was the capacity to give of one’s own free will and to give with purpose–in the right way, at the right time, for the right end. Giving that lacked these qualities was not virtuous. Bestowing a hundred dollars cash on a homeless alcoholic, for example, would not be an act of liberality. It would be an act of prodigality–a vice, not a virtue.
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Were the Founding Fathers Liberal? « Reflection and Choice

So the most identified characteristic of the liberal and progressive ideologies in these modern days was considered a vice back then in the time period that refer to. Something to consider given the penchant of some of the left to propose moral and ethical relativism as having some sort of basis in 'reality' and superior in some way to more conservative and more consistent morals and ethics.

jet57 said:
Thus higher education relies on many different sources in curriculum. The narrow focus is antithetical to an education about the world and human history. Clear research, human experience and results determine what works well in world and the narrow focus of conservatism clearly does not.
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Exactly my point in that the ideological indoctrination in the public education system as forced and enforce by the majority liberal progressives that run the system is even more antithetical to the entire point of education, which is, as you correctly identify, as relying on many different sources, and yes, that includes conservative sources, conservative ideas, conservative positions, and conservative through. The very things that the present ideological indoctrination is pushing to stamp out, as demonstrated by the list I posted previous.

Other references:
  • 1) The Founding Fathers were generally religious, gun-toting small government fanatics who were so far to the Right that they'd make Ann Coulter look like Jimmy Carter.
  • 3) Conservatives are much more compassionate than liberals and all you have to do to prove it is look at all the studies showing that conservatives give more of their money to charity than liberals do.
    4) When the Founding Fathers were actually around, there were official state religions and the Bible was used as a textbook in schools. The so-called "wall of separation between church and state" has absolutely nothing to do with the Constitution and everything to do with liberal hostility to Christianity.
    12) The biggest problem with education in this country is liberals. They fight vouchers, oppose merit pay, refuse to get rid of terrible teachers, and bend over backwards to keep poor kids trapped in failing schools.

    13) Fascism, socialism, and communism are all left-wing movements that have considerably more in common with modern liberalism than modern conservatism.
    14) The Democratic Party was behind slavery, the KKK, and Jim Crow laws. It was also the party of Margaret Sanger, George Wallace, and Bull Connor. It has ALWAYS been a racist party. Even today, white liberals support Affirmative Action and racial set-asides because they still believe black Americans are too inferior to go up against whites on an even playing field.
    15) A man with good morals who falls short and becomes a hypocrite is still a far better man than a liberal who can never be called a hypocrite because he has no morals at all.
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20 Obvious Truths That Will Shock Liberals - John Hawkins - Page full

Our Founding Fathers Were Liberal, NOT Conservative | PoliticusUSA's Archives

Sorry Liberals, America Was (Also) Founded As A Religious Nation - Forbes
 
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