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danarhea said:Jack Abramoff has pleaded guilty to 3 felony counts, and is going to cooperate against those he bribed for political favors. It will be raining indictments this year.
Buh bye Tom Delay, and buh bye to many others.
This case has effective broken the GOP fund raising machine.
TimmyBoy said:And dats why you never trust a politican or the system. It seems to be human nature, give somebody a little power and they will turn around and run with it. Should be interesting to see how this turns out, but I like to see evidence beyond a reasonable doubt if a Congressman is guilty of bribes. But, I am sure it happens all the time, this type of corruption.
danarhea said:Here, folks, is what you have been waiting for:
A copy of the plea deal from the DC District Court. You can link to this page to debunk any and all arguments the Bushneviks will be attempting to spin on this.
Stinger said:If you want a road paved in your neighborhood. If you and your neighbors go to your local councilman and request he get in in the budget and he agrees and he does and you then all contribute to his campaign for relection because he gets things done for you, have you bribed him?
So far I've heard how this guy rips off his clients but where are the bribes?
Lobbyist give money to politicians everyday on behalf of clients and their issues. DUH that's how Washington works. Trips, junkets, campaign cash that's all SOP. As Howard Fineman just stated on Hardball, the indictment only mentions one Congressman and indirectly at that. Where is the Quid Pro Quo?
TimmyBoy said:I guess what you are saying is that if I need something done, go to my local politican and pay him some money and he will get things done for me. Nothing wrong with this according to you. It's a "Quid Pro Quo" arrangement.
sDeegan said:Republicans seem to be a tad more careful in their corruption.
1) Points 22 and 23 on page 9 of the indicment, which is posted as my second link in this thread, and which Abramoff has pled guilty to, refer to Ney of Ohio. He is the one who read statements into the Congressional Record to help influence the sale of the Sun Cruise Casino business to Abramoff.Stinger said:s
The fraud is pretty clear, this guy was ripping off his clients and committing some felonies in the process. But where is the corruption?
steen said:It will be interesting when the names are clear, such as "representative 1" or "Staffer B"
cnredd said:Of course, there are those who will equate these people to Charles Manson and Jeffrey Dahmer...whatever...
It was also strange to see how someone would report an assassination attempt on Bush's life based simply on the fact the Cheney would take over...aps said:Oh please. I have never seen anyone equate sleazy politicians with mass murderers. While I don't think DeLay has any morals, I certainly don't see him as being one who would murder someone and eat part of the dead remains. What a strange thing to say.
I bolded out what I am going to reply to.cnredd said:The problem I see is that while Abramoff dealt with congresspersons that are corrupt, each corrupt congressperson only dealt with one Abramoff...
That's right up there with 20 people people buying drugs off of one drug dealer...The dealer gets sent up the river, but the 20 buyers will get a slap on the wrist...
While anyone pulling off these schemes with the guy should be convicted if the evidence is clear(which I'm sure some here have already come to that conclusion depending on which person they hate the most this week), I don't think the penalties on any of this will lead to a line of congressmembers to be led away in handcuffs like the execs at Worldcom or Enron.
I suspect we'd see a whole bunch of "guilty...60 days...suspended sentence...2 years probation...small fine...have a nice day"...:shrug:
Of course, there are those who will equate these people to Charles Manson and Jeffrey Dahmer...whatever...
danarhea said:Jack Abramoff has pleaded guilty to 3 felony counts, and is going to cooperate against those he bribed for political favors. It will be raining indictments this year. Buh bye Tom Delay, and buh bye to many others. This case has effective broken the GOP fund raising machine.
Article is here.
Become?...danarhea said:I bolded out what I am going to reply to.
You could be right on this. After all, if enough Congressmen are connected to Abramoff, and cast their votes for money, then the system is going to do something to mitigate these felonies. I just heard this morning that we are talking about up to 60 lawmakers, Democrats and Republicans, who took money and favors from Abramoff's clients, or Abramoff himself, which shows that those we elected have betrayed our trust and become nothing more than whores.
danarhea said:You dont think all this counts as corruption? If you really believe what you are shoveling, and are not a freeper or other mouthpiece, then you are truly living in a cave, and only hear what you wish to hear. I am sure that once all the scumbags are shaken out of the tree, you will.................... still be making statements about how this was a political witch hunt, and will still be supporting their criminal activity to your dying day.
Stinger said:Hey don't leave out Democrat Patrick Kennedy either.
Isn't it hillarious how if a Republican gives back any money Abramoff contributed to thier campaign it's a sure sign they are guilty of bibery but if a Democrat does the same it's a sure sign they are noble human beings?
Hilarious.
aps said:The only person's behavior I question is that of Hastert, who waited for Abramoff to plead guilty before he returned his money. I hope he goes down. He is a scumbag too (but his picture isn't next to the word scumbag in the dictionary like DeLay's is).
FinnMacCool said:Quite the expected response from the conservatives here. Can't defend them?
Then lets start saying all the bad things the democrats do! Good strategy? I don't think so. Actually its quite redundant partially because I support neither Democrats nor Republicans. Its only to be expected that this is what happens with politicians. Nice try though.
WATCH THIS THREAD CAREFULLY! Soon this thread will cease to become a thread about these republicans and will turn to a thread about democrats.
Now all the conservatives are going to start jumping in cause they have an argument to lean on which is the quite predictable one about how Democrats Are Evil! and Republicans Rock!
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