ABORTION: What is YOUR view, what would YOU do.

[CRUE CAB]

1.) weird i didnt claim it to be, yet another fail by you. THere are facts inside the abortion issues though and earlier today you claimed abortion is wrong and its a fact? make up your mind please . Your desperation, dishonesty and failed insults exposes you everytime.
2.) false
3.) hmmm the law only supports abortion currently
4.) 100% false REAL opinions can not be wrong
5.) false again you can have an opinion that 2+2 is 5 and that would make you factually wrong
6.) there you go again you just said theres no facts then you claim abortion is factually wrong, sorry thats just your opinion
7.) your fear or none fear is meaningless

now if you will feel free to ask my a specific question and i will gladly tell you if thiers facts or only opinions on the matter

lets reflect so far.
You claimed its a fact abortion is wrong, this is false and only an opinion.

And yours is only an opinion. But your opinion show a true lack of respect for human life. Thats why I say your opinion is wrong.

 

[AGENT J]

And yours is only an opinion. But your opinion show a true lack of respect for human life. Thats why I say your opinion is wrong.

1.) i havent directly given you my opinion nor have i claimed any of my opinions to be anything but opinion
2.) this is factually false
3.) prove it, cant wait to read this since i havent directly even given you my opinion yet

tell us all how my opinion FACTUALLY lacks respect for life making it wrong

 

[CRUE CAB]

1.) i havent directly given you my opinion nor have i claimed any of my opinions to be anything but opinion
2.) this is factually false
3.) prove it, cant wait to read this since i havent directly even given you my opinion yet

tell us all how my opinion FACTUALLY lacks respect for life making it wrong

Seemingly your advocating for abortion is clearly a lack of respect for human life.

 

[AGENT J]

Seemingly your advocating for abortion is clearly a lack of respect for human life.

so you have no factually proof or you just dont understand the question?

yes youve given me your OPINION
im asking you to prove that my views factually do not respect human life?
What are my views?

 

[CRUE CAB]

so you have no factually proof or you just dont understand the question?

yes youve given me your OPINION
im asking you to prove that my views factually do not respect human life?
What are my views?

Do you believe in abortion on demand aside of rape, incest, health of the woman and or child?

 

[AGENT J]

Do you believe in abortion on demand aside of rape, incest, health of the woman and or child?

but wait i thought you KNEW my views/opinions and facts i believed in? you already said they are wrong now you are asking? this is why you are dishonest lol

anyway on to your question

the reality is your question doesnt have a yes no answer

lets look at some facts first

1.)the abortion debate involves TWO lives, not one, TWO
2.)the mothers life is always at risk, sometimes a large risk, some times a small risk but always at risk
3.)wanting abortion banned or mostly banned only only values the life of the ZEF and ignores the womans. It violates her current rights and is a human rights violation if you believe in that
4.)wanting unlimited and unrestricted abortion only values the life of the woman and ignores the zef. It denies the ZEF any rights and is a human rights violation if you believe in that
5.) it is factually impossible to have equal rights in the abortion debate, the ZEF or the mother will always have more or less.


now to answer the best i can based on your question

I do support abortion for the reasons you mentioned
I also support abortion for any reason up until 21 weeks (viability) after 21 weeks it need to be restricted

i see zero reason to violate a woman's rights and freedoms based on the unknown and before viability. i see no logical reason to force a viable women who is already born and already has legal rights against her will to risk her life for an unknown.

 

[CRUE CAB]

but wait i thought you KNEW my views/opinions and facts i believed in? you already said they are wrong now you are asking? this is why you are dishonest lol

anyway on to your question

the reality is your question doesnt have a yes no answer

lets look at some facts first

1.)the abortion debate involves TWO lives, not one, TWO
2.)the mothers life is always at risk, sometimes a large risk, some times a small risk but always at risk
3.)wanting abortion banned or mostly banned only only values the life of the ZEF and ignores the womans. It violates her current rights and is a human rights violation if you believe in that
4.)wanting unlimited and unrestricted abortion only values the life of the woman and ignores the zef. It denies the ZEF any rights and is a human rights violation if you believe in that
5.) it is factually impossible to have equal rights in the abortion debate, the ZEF or the mother will always have more or less.


now to answer the best i can based on your question

I do support abortion for the reasons you mentioned
I also support abortion for any reason up until 21 weeks (viability) after 21 weeks it need to be restricted

i see zero reason to violate a woman's rights and freedoms based on the unknown and before viability. i see no logical reason to force a viable women who is already born and already has legal rights against her will to risk her life for an unknown.

No splitting hairs about risk. Just answer the question. Yes, I believe I know your answer based on your posts and your vehement challenges to me about my opinion.
So what is it?

 

[AGENT J]

1.)No splitting hairs about risk.
2.)Just answer the question.
3.)Yes, I believe I know your answer based on your posts
4.) and your vehement challenges to me about my opinion.
5.)So what is it?

1.) i didnt split hairs about risk i stated a 100% fact
2.) i did answer the question i answered it VERY clearly and very specifically
3.) but you have proven repeatedly you dont
4.) i havent challenged any of your OPINIONS, ive only pointed out where you were factually wrong or pushed your opinion as fact
5.) read the post again slower, i couldnt possibly answer any more clear, hint it comes right after the part where i say "now to answer your question" lol

 

[CRUE CAB]

1.) i didnt split hairs about risk i stated a 100% fact
2.) i did answer the question i answered it very clearly and very specifically
3.) but you have proven repeatedly you dont
4.) i havent challenged any of your opinions, ive only pointed out where you were factually wrong or pushed your opinion as fact
5.) read the post again slower, i couldnt possibly answer any more clear, hint it comes right after the part where i say "now to answer your question" lol

ok.....

 

[AGENT J]

ok.....

yep ill be waiting for your FACTS that prove i dont respect human life

 

[Removable Mind]

Do you believe in abortion on demand aside of rape, incest, health of the woman and or child?

I do...within the boundaries of what is known to be non-viability. Please...no more circular arguments about viability. I've played that game with you today.

If you respect life so much. Then what happened with respecting born, living, breathing women who must endure the daily burdens of everyday life? They share in the role as the life givers. And as I've posted many times. Most conceptions are brought to full-term...but you have to remember that that is also by "choice".

Life is so much more than developing cells that may or may not happen...simply because nature says it's a no go.

Humanity is far from facing extinction regardless of what might be the cause of every individual's final fate...death.

If you can't respect women in every possible way, including the right to manage their own reproductive roles...then I could never trust you to respect life.

No person or laws can force moral standards on a person when it comes to controlling their personal existence (meaning their bodies, mind, spirituality, or non-spirituality, sexual self, sexual experiences, who they love, hate...

So once again...if you can't fully respect born life...then...how you can respect all life?

You see...most unborn become born. So once the unborn is born....there you are....a non-respecter of the born.

Humanity may not choose to survive in the end....and there's nothing anybody can do to intervene.

 

[windowdressing]

but wait i thought you KNEW my views/opinions and facts i believed in? you already said they are wrong now you are asking? this is why you are dishonest lol

anyway on to your question

the reality is your question doesnt have a yes no answer

lets look at some facts first

1.)the abortion debate involves TWO lives, not one, TWO
2.)the mothers life is always at risk, sometimes a large risk, some times a small risk but always at risk
3.)wanting abortion banned or mostly banned only only values the life of the ZEF and ignores the womans. It violates her current rights and is a human rights violation if you believe in that
4.)wanting unlimited and unrestricted abortion only values the life of the woman and ignores the zef. It denies the ZEF any rights and is a human rights violation if you believe in that
5.) it is factually impossible to have equal rights in the abortion debate, the ZEF or the mother will always have more or less.


now to answer the best i can based on your question

I do support abortion for the reasons you mentioned
I also support abortion for any reason up until 21 weeks (viability) after 21 weeks it need to be restricted

i see zero reason to violate a woman's rights and freedoms based on the unknown and before viability. i see no logical reason to force a viable women who is already born and already has legal rights against her will to risk her life for an unknown.

your post raises an interesting issue, which it would nice, for a change, for people to discuss maturely ... if you think, truly believe, that life begins at conception, then you should not be in favor of an abortion in cases of rape/incest, right? By the same token, if you believe in a woman's right to choose and that it is her body, then it shouldn't matter if it's 20 weeks, 21 weeks, 35 weeks, right? What do folks think?

 

[CRUE CAB]

I do...within the boundaries of what is known to be non-viability. Please...no more circular arguments about viability. I've played that game with you today.

If you respect life so much. Then what happened with respecting born, living, breathing women who must endure the daily burdens of everyday life? They share in the role as the life givers. And as I've posted many times. Most conceptions are brought to full-term...but you have to remember that that is also by "choice".

OMG, burdens of daily life? Its called acting like a grown up man. Not skulking a way out of a responsibility. No one is talking about extinction. I guess you just had to throw that in there for effect.
No one is telling anyone who to love hate how to experience life, spirituality, no talk of sexual self or any other of that wamby pamby feel good liberal crybabyness.
You just can not stay on the topic at hand.

 

[Removable Mind]

OMG, burdens of daily life? Its called acting like a grown up man. Not skulking a way out of a responsibility. No one is talking about extinction. I guess you just had to throw that in there for effect.
No one is telling anyone who to love hate how to experience life, spirituality, no talk of sexual self or any other of that wamby pamby feel good liberal crybabyness.
You just can not stay on the topic at hand.

Oh really...you are. We gotta love and respect the unborn or we are terrible people or irresponsible...yadda, yadda, yadda...

You don't know the ****ing difference between a liberal or conservative...

 

[AGENT J]

your post raises an interesting issue, which it would nice, for a change, for people to discuss maturely ... if you think, truly believe, that life begins at conception, then you should not be in favor of an abortion in cases of rape/incest, right? By the same token, if you believe in a woman's right to choose and that it is her body, then it shouldn't matter if it's 20 weeks, 21 weeks, 35 weeks, right? What do folks think?

thank you and that is the HONEST dilemma and the foundation of the abortion debate. There are TWO lives being discussed and the fact is one will always be a lesser.

for me i go as close to equal as possible in my opinion and thats 21 weeks

 

[CRUE CAB]

You don't know the ****ing difference between a liberal or conservative...

Seems I do.

 

[CRUE CAB]

thank you and that is the HONEST dilemma and the foundation of the abortion debate. There are TWO lives being discussed and the fact is one will always be a lesser.

for me i go as close to equal as possible in my opinion and thats 21 weeks

Sad man, really sad. Thats 5 months pregnant. Thats starting to show.

 

[AGENT J]

Sad man, really sad. Thats 5 months pregnant. Thats starting to show.

what does any of that matter to rights, legal and human, viability etc?

still waiting for your facts, why dont you post them?

 

[CRUE CAB]

what does any of that matter to rights, legal and human, viability etc?

still waiting for your facts, why dont you post them?

Fact is that anyone willing to kill an unborn at 5 months is a heartless soul less ghoul. Why not just wait it out for another 4 months and adopt it out? Oh, yea that would be the responsible thing to do. Short of manning up and raising a child.

 

[minnie616]

Sad man, really sad. Thats 5 months pregnant. Thats starting to show.

Actually 21 weeks gestation is just over 4 months since doctors count a pregnancy as 2 weeks gestation on the day the egg is fertilized. A full term pregnancy is considered to be about 40 weeks.

 

[CRUE CAB]

Actually 21 weeks gestation is just over 4 months since doctors count a pregnancy as 2 weeks gestation on the day the egg is fertilized. A full term pregnancy is considered to be about 40 weeks.

Keep splitting them hairs, yall are good at that. That and justifying killing the unborn.

 

[Removable Mind]

Seems I do.

Yeah...sure you do. Abortion isn't about liberalism or conservatism. It's about personal rights.

And back to my point. If you can't respect the born...how can you possibly respect life in general.

 

[Removable Mind]

Keep splitting them hairs, yall are good at that. That and justifying killing the unborn.

there needs no justification...within the boundaries of the current law...

that aint splitting hairs...that's reality...

 

[AGENT J]

1.)Fact is that anyone willing to kill an unborn at 5 months is a heartless soul less ghoul.
2.) Why not just wait it out for another 4 months and adopt it out?
3.)Oh, yea that would be the responsible thing to do. Short of manning up and raising a child.

1.) nope not a fact. just your opinion that cant be supported by one fact
What do you call people that would force the woman to risk her life against her will? and what happens if she dies, you know a fully grown viable woman?
2.) thats a chice that COULD be made but isnt not to be forced
3.) again thats just an opinion, many feel that would be totally irresponsible, why is your opinion better?

weird, remind us which one me or you respects and understands opinions, you keep proving its not you with every post

speaking of maning up, where your facts that prove i dont value human life? we've been waiting

 

[windowdressing]

thank you and that is the HONEST dilemma and the foundation of the abortion debate. There are TWO lives being discussed and the fact is one will always be a lesser.

for me i go as close to equal as possible in my opinion and thats 21 weeks

I'm curious what others have to say ...