Abortion: The cure for common irresponsibility

[Lursa]

If choice is so important to you, why can't you choose responsiblity?
Do you have a human right to act irresponsible and not be held accountable?

OK, here's my answer to the OP question (from previous threads):

Abortion can be a very responsible choice:

--There's nothing responsible about having a kid you cant afford and expecting tax payers to take up that burden with public assistance.

--There's nothing responsible about having a kid you arent emotionally prepared to have and may abuse or neglect, even ending up in foster care.

--There's nothing responsible about having a kid if you know you wont stop drinking, smoking, doing drugs, etc that will damage the unborn, causing defects.

--There's nothing responsible about remaining pregnant and dropping out of high school or college or missing work and not fulfilling your potential in society.

--There's nothing responsible about remaining pregnant/having a child and not being able to fulfill your other commitments and obligations to family, dependents, employer, church, community, society.

--There's nothing responsible about having a kid and giving it up for adoption when there are already over 100,000 kids in America waiting to be adopted. It means one less waiting will find a home.​

Now do you see that abortion, factually, can be a very responsible choice?

 

[Scrabaholic]

Be responsible with your body.
its that simple.
And if you can't then pay a price. One suitable for the outcome of ones behavior

I *am* responsible with my body. If I get pregnant, I will make the choice *I* feel is right.

 

[Scrabaholic]

I say both are sterilized and register as sexual abusers

Wow. Just wow.

 

[Lursa]

Wow. Just wow.

Inorite? Can you imagine? Parents would be separated from their children, (yes, married people do get abortions), 1/4 of all women (and at least that many men, if not more) would be removed from the workforce.

There would be a huge shortage of teachers, daycare workers, basically anyone that works with...or near...kids. :roll:

 

[Scrabaholic]

2 million couples are looking to adopt and are on the waiting list. That means 36 couples for every child up for adoption. Getting that baby adopted and cared for is not the problem.
American Adoptions - How Many Couples Are Waiting to Adopt?

Tough luck for them. Adoption is wrong, IMO. I am adopted and would never inflict that on a child. Let the infertile adopt an older child needing a home, or a puppy or kitten from the pound. Or be a big brother/sister to a child with no father/mother. There are many options for them. Women are not broodmares for the barren.

 

[Scrabaholic]

A big part of the problem in coming to terms on abortion is one side sees it for what it is. Killing a child in the womb.

They are free to not abort if that is their choice. They need to stay OUT of the private business of others.

 

[SkyFox76]

Tough luck for them. Adoption is wrong, IMO. I am adopted and would never inflict that on a child. Let the infertile adopt an older child needing a home, or a puppy or kitten from the pound. Or be a big brother/sister to a child with no father/mother. There are many options for them. Women are not broodmares for the barren.

Sounds like you had a crappy adoption but that's not the case for everyone. You think a baby would be better off being raised in a group home...or? And that's under the circumstance that abortion was an option and was refused.

 

[Scrabaholic]

Why don't you submit some substance to the thread instead of being antagonistic?

Agent J is not being antagonistic toward you. This is a debate forum. Debating consists of asking and answering questions as well as presenting opinions. Debate is not presenting your opinions and then getting upset when people question them.

 

[Peter King]

LMAO what i waste of a post full of lies and nonsense . .why not just be honest and admit your mistake? DO you have no integrity?

heres your statement within the conversation:



your statement is factually wrong, nothing you say will change that fact, theres no content in this thread that makes it correct. "Falling in live is not what gives somebody their sexual orientation. That fact will never change. You can post with honesty and intercity and admit that fact or keep denying and making your posts look stupid :shrug:

heres a question for you to further expose how wrong your claim it

theres a male 24 years old, he is attracted to males, he is not attracted to females, in his life time he has had sex with 50 other males but he has never loved or been in love with any of them or anybody period .. is he homosexual? yes or no

Except you are not right. You have a different opinion. Period. You might not like me saying that you are wrong but that is not my issue, it is yours. I have accepted that you will not accept logic or read what I write, but the song remains the same, my comment was purely about someone else's statement and you went and complained about it not complying with your views. Great, I could care less.

And I already answered your question, being attracted to males is being gay. Being attracted as a woman to women is being gay. I already stated that in your previous post. So I am not sure why you repeated it but great. You are not happy with my previous answer and I could not care what you think of this answer. You may want to keep nitpicking and complaining about my answer, I am not. I have better things to do that worry about what your views are about homosexuality.

 

[Scrabaholic]

homosexual conduct is what makes them homosexual. I guess thats not a fact. Or what is factually a homosexual?

Incorrect. It's their attraction to other men that makes them homosexual, even if they never have same sex intercourse.

Definition of homosexual in English:



homosexual
Pronunciation /ˌhɒmə(ʊ)ˈsɛkʃʊəl//ˌhəʊmə(ʊ)ˈsɛkʃʊəl/
ADJECTIVE
1Sexually attracted to people of one's own sex.

Example sentencesSynonyms
1.1 Involving or characterized by sexual attraction between people of the same sex.
‘homosexual desire’



NOUN
A person who is sexually attracted to people of their own sex.

homosexual | Definition of homosexual in English by Oxford Dictionaries


Homosexual men can procreate by impregnating a woman (by having intercourse or artificially inseminating her).

Homosexual women (lesbians) can have a child by having intercourse with a man or being artificially inseminated.

 

[Scrabaholic]

What is worse, 9 months of carried a child that you helped create, of killing a baby?

Easy to say when you know YOU will never, ever be pregnant, isn't it?

There are not that many pregnancies where the mothers health is at risk.
Fact #8: Less than 1% of all abortions are performed to save the life of the mother. – AbortionFacts.com

That is a biased anti choice site.

MY life would be in danger if I were to gestate.

 

[AGENT J]

Except you are not right. You have a different opinion. Period. You might not like me saying that you are wrong but that is not my issue, it is yours. I have accepted that you will not accept logic or read what I write, but the song remains the same, my comment was purely about someone else's statement and you went and complained about it not complying with your views. Great, I could care less.

2.) And I already answered your question, being attracted to males is being gay. Being attracted as a woman to women is being gay. I already stated that in your previous post. So I am not sure why you repeated it but great. You are not happy with my previous answer and I could not care what you think of this answer. You may want to keep nitpicking and complaining about my answer, I am not. I have better things to do that worry about what your views are about homosexuality.

LMAO this is so much fun!
again no matter what you posts your statement was factually wrong. You can lie about that as many times as you want but much to my entertainment it will continue to fail each time


heres the conversation:

Homosexual conduct is what makes homosexuals, homosexuals.

No, falling in love with men (for men) or falling in love with women (if you are woman) is what makes you homosexual, the having sex is just part of being a human being.

Both you and the other posters statements are factually wrong. Each time you lie and deny it ill just continue to expose it for all to see.

2.) no you didnt, its a yes no question and you keep desperately trying to rephrase it and add to deflect from your statement being factually being wrong but its not working. You wont give an HONEST answer because it destroys the lie you are trying to sell.

so here we are in the same spot and your remains factually wrong, so you can
A.) answer with honesty and integrity and say yes and admit your statement is factually wrong
B.) continue my entertainment, dodge and run and or lie about it and ill continue to point out the huge failure of your attempt over and over
C.) provided one fact that supports your claim, makes it true and proves definitions and medical science wrong.

Well C is impossible so Im guessing youll choose B for all to see.

Theres a male 24 years old, he is attracted to males, he is not attracted to females, in his life time he has had sex with 50 other males but he has never loved or been in love with any of them or anybody period .. is he homosexual? yes or no

opcorn2:

 

[Peter King]

LMAO this is so much fun!
again no matter what you posts your statement was factually wrong. You can lie about that as many times as you want but much to my entertainment it will continue to fail each time


heres the conversation:




Both you and the other posters statements are factually wrong. Each time you lie and deny it ill just continue to expose it for all to see.

2.) no you didnt, its a yes no question and you keep desperately trying to rephrase it and add to deflect from your statement being factually being wrong but its not working. You wont give an HONEST answer because it destroys the lie you are trying to sell.

so here we are in the same spot and your remains factually wrong, so you can
A.) answer with honesty and integrity and say yes and admit your statement is factually wrong
B.) continue my entertainment, dodge and run and or lie about it and ill continue to point out the huge failure of your attempt over and over
C.) provided one fact that supports your claim, makes it true and proves definitions and medical science wrong.

Well C is impossible so Im guessing youll choose B for all to see.

Theres a male 24 years old, he is attracted to males, he is not attracted to females, in his life time he has had sex with 50 other males but he has never loved or been in love with any of them or anybody period .. is he homosexual? yes or no

opcorn2:

Still not getting the gist of it are we. You can play with yourself.

 

[AGENT J]

Still not getting the gist of it are we. You can play with yourself.

you choose B just like i called it, thats what I thought!!! :lamo

the gist is, the fact remains your statement was and is wrong and "we" as in the majority of posters in this thread get it

In the future simply dont post lies and or ignorance OR if you make a mistake simply show honesty and integrity and admit it . . this way your posts wont get get exposed so bad. Youre welcome and good luck!

As always if you change your mind and want to have a honest discussion ill repost the question below for you to answer OR if you disagree with the facts that prove you wrong please simply post something that makes your statement true, thanks!

Theres a male 24 years old, he is attracted to males, he is not attracted to females, in his life time he has had sex with 50 other males but he has never loved or been in love with any of them or anybody period .. is he homosexual? yes or no

 

[Scrabaholic]

By very definition homosexual conduct is abnormal

So is wearing a butt plug. I don't see people complaining about that.

 

[Peter King]

you choose B just like i called it, thats what I thought!!! :lamo

the gist is, the fact remains your statement was and is wrong and "we" as in the majority of posters in this thread get it

In the future simply dont post lies and or ignorance OR if you make a mistake simply show honesty and integrity and admit it . . this way your posts wont get get exposed so bad. Youre welcome and good luck!

As always if you change your mind and want to have a honest discussion ill repost the question below for you to answer OR if you disagree with the facts that prove you wrong please simply post something that makes your statement true, thanks!

Theres a male 24 years old, he is attracted to males, he is not attracted to females, in his life time he has had sex with 50 other males but he has never loved or been in love with any of them or anybody period .. is he homosexual? yes or no

:beatdeadhorse

I said my piece last time but you again do not get the message, keep playing this game with yourself.

:inandout:

 

[AGENT J]

:beatdeadhorse

I said my piece last time but you again do not get the message, keep playing this game with yourself.

:inandout:

B again!!!!! LMAO
what you say is meaningless, dodgign and running wont work, ill keep exposing your claims on this topic for the dishonest stupidity they are
Your post remains factually wrong

As always if you change your mind and want to have a honest discussion ill repost the question below for you to answer OR if you disagree with the facts that prove you wrong please simply post something that makes your statement true, thanks!

Theres a male 24 years old, he is attracted to males, he is not attracted to females, in his life time he has had sex with 50 other males but he has never loved or been in love with any of them or anybody period .. is he homosexual? yes or no

 

[Scrabaholic]

What makes a murderer a murderer? becuse they think about? because they said' I'd like to kill that person"? or is it when they take a gun and pull the trigger while aiming it at another human being?

A murderer is someone who commits the crime of murder. Homosexuality is not an action, it is a state of being. As in being attracted to people of the same sex.

 

[SkyFox76]

Still not getting the gist of it are we. You can play with yourself.

Just so I'm clear, is this the statement you're standing by?

Originally Posted by Peter King
No, falling in love with men (for men) or falling in love with women (if you are woman) is what makes you homosexual, the having sex is just part of being a human being.

Because if it is then I agree, you're incorrect. Neither love nor same sex relations makes a person a homosexual. A person could go all their life never being in love or having sex and still be a homosexual.

If you have amended that comment then disregard.

 

[zyzygy]

B again!!!!! LMAO
what you say is meaningless, dodgign and running wont work, ill keep exposing your claims on this topic for the dishonest stupidity they are
Your post remains factually wrong

As always if you change your mind and want to have a honest discussion ill repost the question below for you to answer OR if you disagree with the facts that prove you wrong please simply post something that makes your statement true, thanks!

Theres a male 24 years old, he is attracted to males, he is not attracted to females, in his life time he has had sex with 50 other males but he has never loved or been in love with any of them or anybody period .. is he homosexual? yes or no

He's lucky.

 

[Peter King]

Just so I'm clear, is this the statement you're standing by?



Because if it is then I agree, you're incorrect. Neither love nor same sex relations makes a person a homosexual. A person could go all their life never being in love or having sex and still be a homosexual.

If you have amended that comment then disregard.

With love I also mean attraction. The point I was making was that having sex with men/homosexual behaviour as someone described it was what makes someone a homosexual.

My point was that feelings for men make someone gay, not the sexual act. I stated love, and could have included "being attracted to men" in that but I did not.

 

[Peter King]

B again!!!!! LMAO
what you say is meaningless, dodgign and running wont work, ill keep exposing your claims on this topic for the dishonest stupidity they are
Your post remains factually wrong

As always if you change your mind and want to have a honest discussion ill repost the question below for you to answer OR if you disagree with the facts that prove you wrong please simply post something that makes your statement true, thanks!

Theres a male 24 years old, he is attracted to males, he is not attracted to females, in his life time he has had sex with 50 other males but he has never loved or been in love with any of them or anybody period .. is he homosexual? yes or no

More repeating the same question which already was answered twice. Try reading my previous posts so I am not going to play your nonsensical game yet again.

 

[SkyFox76]

With love I also mean attraction. The point I was making was that having sex with men/homosexual behaviour as someone described it was what makes someone a homosexual.

My point was that feelings for men make someone gay, not the sexual act. I stated love, and could have included "being attracted to men" in that but I did not.

So then you agree love does not factor in, it's simply about who a person is attracted to. And yes, it's wrong to suggest the sexual act determines sexual identity. Thx eace

 

[AGENT J]

More repeating the same question which already was answered twice. Try reading my previous posts so I am not going to play your nonsensical game yet again.

B again!!!!! LMAO
what you say is meaningless, dodging, posting lies and running wont work, ill keep exposing your claims on this topic for the dishonest stupidity they are
Your post remains factually wrong

As always if you change your mind and want to have a honest discussion ill repost the question below for you to answer OR if you disagree with the facts that prove you wrong please simply post something that makes your statement true, thanks!

Theres a male 24 years old, he is attracted to males, he is not attracted to females, in his life time he has had sex with 50 other males but he has never loved or been in love with any of them or anybody period .. is he homosexual? yes or no

 

[Peter King]

B again!!!!! LMAO
what you say is meaningless, dodging, posting lies and running wont work, ill keep exposing your claims on this topic for the dishonest stupidity they are
Your post remains factually wrong

As always if you change your mind and want to have a honest discussion ill repost the question below for you to answer OR if you disagree with the facts that prove you wrong please simply post something that makes your statement true, thanks!

Theres a male 24 years old, he is attracted to males, he is not attracted to females, in his life time he has had sex with 50 other males but he has never loved or been in love with any of them or anybody period .. is he homosexual? yes or no

You can repeat your already answered until we all see blue in the face, but it will not get another response.