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Abortion KILLS An Innocent Human Being [W: 459]

Bodhisattva said:
Or she can just abort it... and mercy me, abortion is not murder. Murder is a legal term. Say killing... not murder.

And that little life when it is first developing is kinda gross to be honest. It is shaped all wierd and looks gooey and like a slug, or something.
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Why do I not believe what you've just posted in your last couple of sentences? I know you love including an element of sarcasm in posts...or sometimes humor.

But from a historical perspective, you've not voiced this type of sentiment regarding any stage of the yet to be born. Actually, you've been more of a "I'm pro-choice because I believe individual women should be able to make their own decisions regarding pregnancy, but personally I'm actually against abortion. It is a human life."
 
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trouble13 said:
I respect that. I'm just curious though are you saying between never knowing who your parents are and never being born you would of preferred to not of been born?

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The thing that birthed me should have aborted every one of it's pregnancies.
 
Scrabaholic said:
The thing that birthed me should have aborted every one of it's pregnancies.
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I respect how brutally honest your are with your opinion. I happen to agree that putting a child up for adoption is not always the best option. Its refreshing that you don't sugarcoat it.

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Removable Mind said:
Why do I not believe what you've just posted in your last couple of sentences? I know you love including an element of sarcasm in posts...or sometimes humor.

But from a historical perspective, you've not voiced this type of sentiment regarding any stage of the yet to be born. Actually, you've been more of a "I'm pro-choice because I believe individual women should be able to make their own decisions regarding pregnancy, but personally I'm actually against abortion. It is a human life."
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Seems like you have me firgured out... so why do you constantly get confused about things I say?
 
Scrabaholic said:
There is no lie.
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Well the question was directed at Jay because in his mind something you said was a lie. I'm interested in hearing his perspective. I'm not really clear on what he meant, if you were lying or if the concept behind what you were saying is the lie.

In this thread I have been vocally critical of the selfishness of the woman's position from the pro-choice side. Which btw i would be very interested in hearing more of your views on the subject because you seem to refreshingly unapologetic about it. I suspect you and i might share some common ground.

With that said i also find the pro-life position selfish. Jay sounds staunchly pro-life and I'ld like to challenge him on his views if he is willing and has enough patience to articulate his reasoning.

I find most people on both sides either intentionally or unintentionally, to be intellectually dishonest about it.

For instance pro-life people believe that abortion is murder. I get that they can never be supportive of that decission. I dont understand why they feel entitled to be judged, jury, and executioner against those they disagree with. Typically their argument is religious based, so shouldn't they live as they believe their God tells them and let God judge those that do not.

I find a lot of conflicting logic by both sides.

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JayDubya said:
That is a lie, as was the previous post you made.
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The fact that there was no lie is not a lie... in fact, it is a lie to label a non-lie as a lie.
 
trouble13 said:
What is the lie? It's an opinion.

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Hiding a lie in an opinion is a lie... in fact, it is a lie to lie about an opinion that masquerades as anything other than the lie that it is.
 
Removable Mind said:
So you've never claimed such?
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I never claimed as such... I am not sure what it is that you are asserting that I "claimed" in the first place... but it is wrong.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Hiding a lie in an opinion is a lie... in fact, it is a lie to lie about an opinion that masquerades as anything other than the lie that it is.
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I'm sorry maybe I'm being thick headed and am missing something.

She said her biological parents should have aborted all their children.

Where is the lie in that statement? It's her opinion. You might think it's an awful opinion to have but just because she presented in the form of a statement does not make it a fact or a lie. She stated how she felt. I found it sad that she feels that way about her life and her parents but it's not our place to judge if it's true or not. We don't have enough information to know the answer. Maybe what she said is the truth.

What if her parents were also Jeffery dalhmers parents. She would have a decent case of saying we would be better off if they aborted him. Ted Bundy might of said he would of rather ed to of never been born than to be the monster he was. He didn't seem like a happy guy. Are we obligated to live if the existence we have isn't one that we want? If I'm not getting anything desirable out of life why shouldn't I be free to not live it and if my parents think they can predict my misery why are they not free to choose to spare me from that misery by choosing for me to not be born? Where does the prolife group get the moral authority from to make that choice for everyone? Shouldn't that be an individuals choice to make?

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trouble13 said:
Well the question was directed at Jay because in his mind something you said was a lie. I'm interested in hearing his perspective. I'm not really clear on what he meant, if you were lying or if the concept behind what you were saying is the lie.

In this thread I have been vocally critical of the selfishness of the woman's position from the pro-choice side. Which btw i would be very interested in hearing more of your views on the subject because you seem to refreshingly unapologetic about it. I suspect you and i might share some common ground.

With that said i also find the pro-life position selfish. Jay sounds staunchly pro-life and I'ld like to challenge him on his views if he is willing and has enough patience to articulate his reasoning.

I find most people on both sides either intentionally or unintentionally, to be intellectually dishonest about it.

For instance pro-life people believe that abortion is murder. I get that they can never be supportive of that decission. I dont understand why they feel entitled to be judged, jury, and executioner against those they disagree with. Typically their argument is religious based, so shouldn't they live as they believe their God tells them and let God judge those that do not.

I find a lot of conflicting logic by both sides.

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I understand where you are coming from.
 
Bodhisattva said:
I think that you are missing something, to be honest.
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Why talk in riddles. Is this your way of avoiding the possibility of coming to face to face with any flaws that might exist in the logic that got you to where you are. If so it's a pretty cowardly approach or maybe I'm just reading you wrong and your just being lazy.

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trouble13 said:
I'm sorry maybe I'm being thick headed and am missing something.

She said her biological parents should have aborted all their children.

Where is the lie in that statement? It's her opinion.
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No, it isn't within the realm of a valid opinion for someone to be stating, because it's impossible for the statement to be in earnest.

What would be thick headed would be believing or coddling such a stupid and obvious lie; the contradiction is glaringly obvious and inherent, and as such one must rightfully conclude the statement is only employed in bad faith for shock value and attention seeking.
 
JayDubya said:
No, it isn't within the realm of a valid opinion for someone to be stating, because it's impossible for the statement to be in earnest.

What would be thick headed would be believing or coddling such a stupid and obvious lie; the contradiction is glaringly obvious and inherent, and as such one must rightfully conclude the statement is only employed in bad faith for shock value and attention seeking.
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I can not disagree more with you that her statement can't possibly be in earnest. Maybe it is and maybe it's not in her case but i have no reason to disbelieve her sincerity. I take people at their word until they give me reason to otherwise. Not saying you should that's just my approach.

The idea that the statement of wishing not to be born can not be sincere is a patently false claim though. Certainly that is one phenomenal commonly associated with depression. In fact it is so common that we have suicide crisis holiness established nation wide.

I can understand how the idea of not being alive can be completely alien to some. It is in direct contradiction with our inherent instinct for survival, but to say it's impossible to sincerely hold that emotion is just untrue. Those feelings do exist in many and they are very real.

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trouble13 said:
I can not disagree more with you that her statement can't possibly be in earnest. Maybe it is and maybe it's not in her case but i have no reason to disbelieve her sincerity. I take people at their word until they give me reason to otherwise. Not saying you should that's just my approach.
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A) there is plenty of reason to disbelieve

B) this is hardly the first time the words have been uttered over the years and years. They are not indicative of depression or a cry for help. They're just an attention-seeking pile of dishonesty.
 
Bodhisattva said:
It isn't really but if you want to brush it aside and dismiss it that is your choice...
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If you insist....

http://www.debatepolitics.com/abort...-ones-available-w-41-a-29.html#post1065835610

And yes, I paraphrased what I said before. Yes, I made what you said sound worse that what you actually said.

However, I was going to brush it off until you posted what you did above so I sent the time to search down the post "that was close to what you said". Again, I paraphrased what I did because your characterization of the zygote, embryo stage really isn't like anything you like I've seen you post before. Meaning, nothing ever that harsh.
 
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Removable Mind said:
If you insist....

http://www.debatepolitics.com/abort...-ones-available-w-41-a-29.html#post1065835610

And yes, I paraphrased what I said before. Yes, I made what you said sound worse that what you actually said.

However, I was going to brush it off until you posted what you did above so I sent the time to search down the post "that was close to what you said". Again, I paraphrased what I did because your characterization of the zygote, embryo stage really isn't like anything you like I've seen you post before. Meaning, nothing ever that harsh.
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Seems like I could keep you spinning 'round the confusion tree for a long time but I won't. TheGoverness might be even more confused then you... :lol:
 
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