Abortion is murder

[FallingPianos]

So you are blaiming it on pro-life fudging inability to take a stand? You "think"? And so...?

blaiming what exactly?

and so either accept it or refute it, just dont call it a lie.

 

[steen]

I know that late term abortions are rare, especially in the united states, but I find it hard to believe that they are never done.

"late term" is very often used for anything after 12th week. SO please be careful with the data you use and the claims you make based on vague and imprecise terminology.

you just said that 3rd term abortions are performed, do you have any data on that?

For things like pericarditis or ecclampsia, the treatment is immediate termination of the pregnancy regardless of whether the fetus can survive. these generally occur in 3rd trimester. Also abrupted placenta or rapidly growing cancers are reasons for abortions. 3rd trimester abortions are to my knowledge done only for medical emergencies, dead fetuses and in a few cases per rather disturbed teens who are not holding together well at all.

and how is inducing labor an abortion? if the fetus is born alive and then killed, its infanticide, and if its born dead it was either already dead before the procedure started, or something was done to kill it.

Inducing labor is an abortion, the termination of a pregnancy. And if done after viability will result in a live birth. It just doesn't really happen, which is why you don't hear a lot about it outside of pro-life lie-sites.

 

[jimmyjack]

Thanks god. I hate illiterate people. Don't let the door hit you on the *** on your way out. :2wave:

Your hate has no boundaries it is not confined to just the illiterate people, it extends to:

The unborn

The Disabled

The ones that debate better then you

The list goes on and on

 

[steen]

But you think I'm a big liar chuck full of hyperbole, sophistry, and what not. Why aren't I on ignore? It's cause I'm so witty and make you laugh, huh?

No, much of the time you are even downright honest, so you are not on ignore.:kissy:

 

[talloulou]

It just doesn't really happen, which is why you don't hear a lot about it outside of pro-life lie-sites.

Well you do have those wild "I survived an abortion" stories but those survivors are a rarity and most likely prolife to boot and thus best ignored. :rofl

 

[steen]

blaiming what exactly?

and so either accept it or refute it, just dont call it a lie.

Very well. Tell me what you will swear by as facts about the D&X procedure. Timing, purpose, method, outcome etc.

 

[FallingPianos]

Inducing labor is an abortion, the termination of a pregnancy. And if done after viability will result in a live birth. It just doesn't really happen, which is why you don't hear a lot about it outside of pro-life lie-sites.

from now on I'm not going to use the term "abortion". I'm going to stick with "feticide".

 

[steen]

Well you do have those wild "I survived an abortion" stories but I guess those survivors are a rarity and most likely prolife to boot and thus best ignored. :rofl

I have yet to hear a verified one. I have seen a couple of, yes wild stories, that have no foundation in medical facts, but that is all. Could you link me to a verified one?

 

[talloulou]

I have yet to hear a verified one. I have seen a couple of, yes wild stories, that have no foundation in medical facts, but that is all. Could you link me to a verified one?

Certainly.......

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/12/04/nabort.xml

Most of the verified ones I've heard about happened back in the 70's so hopefully drs aren't f-ucking up in that regard anymore.

 

[steen]

from now on I'm not going to use the term "abortion". I'm going to stick with "feticide".

Well, it is technically correct, other than for some 3rd trimester procedures, so if that rocks your boat, have at it.

Now, you will be noted to push emotions and thus be less reliable in your claims, but that's up to you. If you are unable to be factual and accurate, then at least this is better than so many lies and emotional histrionics that so many pro-lifers spew.

 

[talloulou]

Ooops here's a newer one:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/4507090.stm

 

[FallingPianos]

Well, it is technically correct, other than for some 3rd trimester procedures, so if that rocks your boat, have at it.

The reason I would use it is precisely because it excludes some 3rd trimester procedures. Its simply a more accurate term to discribe what I am trying to discribe.

Now, you will be noted to push emotions and thus be less reliable in your claims, but that's up to you. If you are unable to be factual and accurate, then at least this is better than so many lies and emotional histrionics that so many pro-lifers spew.

you said yourself its more factural and accurate, its not my fault if people react more emotionally to it.

if you have a term in mind thats equally accurate, but less emotional, I welcome suggestions.

 

[talloulou]

Now, you will be noted to push emotions and thus be less reliable in your claims, but that's up to you. If you are unable to be factual and accurate, then at least this is better than so many lies and emotional histrionics that so many pro-lifers spew.

What's wrong with feticide? Well clearly I know what's wrong with it:rofl but what do you think is wrong with the term?

 

[steen]

Certainly.......

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/12/04/nabort.xml

Most of the verified ones I've heard about happened back in the 70's so hopefully drs aren't f-ucking up in that regard anymore.

Well, with "verified," I actually meant whether you have a scientific reference from a peer-reviewed, scientific journal. But then this was claimed to be a saline abortion, which hasn't been used for about 20 years, so it is not particularly relevant to current events. If she is so famous, is this by chance written up somewhere verifiable?

When I read this, I have no chance of knowing whether this is one big hoax. I checked on Google and in the first 10 pages, it was generally pro-life sites and news reports only. So I am a bit dubious.

 

[steen]

Ooops here's a newer one:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/4507090.stm

Not a 3rd trimester abortion. Abortion was in january, and then at what would have been 33 weeks, she was told she was stiil pregnant, and c-section birth was done in august. So this was a 1st trimester abortion of one of the twins. The surgeon messed up, but no 3rd trimester abortion was attempted.

 

[steen]

The reason I would use it is precisely because it excludes some 3rd trimester procedures. Its simply a more accurate term to discribe what I am trying to discribe.

OK.

you said yourself its more factural and accurate, its not my fault if people react more emotionally to it.

if you have a term in mind thats equally accurate, but less emotional, I welcome suggestions.

How about "Abortion"?

 

[FallingPianos]

How about "Abortion"?

I'm not debating about abortions that result in a live birth, or miscarrages, so why use the term "abortion"? I'm only debating medical procedures which intentionally result in the death of a fetus.

wouldn't feticide be a better word?

 

[jfuh]

Actually, they are 3 of the 4 or 5 people I have on ignore as habitual, scumbag lying crooks.

Lol, Yeah, that about sums them up. you gotta send me your list man, sounds like I should use that ignore list too.

 

[steen]

Well, this is the basement, so I can say anything I want. So here is my list of incorrigible scumbag liars:

Doughgirl
Jimmyjack
Ptsdkid
Felicity
Orackle25
Aryan imperium

 

[Fantasea]

Connote??? How do you 'imply' or 'insinuate' a butler????? And you go around correcting?
Good grief.......

Save your grief for the 4,600 children aborted every workday in the US.

 

[steen]

Save your grief for the 4,600 children aborted every workday in the US.

There are no children being aborted, your revisionist linguistic hyperbole none withstanding.

 

[jfuh]

Well, this is the basement, so I can say anything I want. So here is my list of incorrigible scumbag liars:

Doughgirl
Jimmyjack
Ptsdkid
Felicity
Orackle25
Aryan imperium

I've had encounters will all but aryan imperium. I'm guessing that' a good thing lol.

 

[jimmyjack]

Well, this is the basement, so I can say anything I want. So here is my list of incorrigible scumbag liars:

Doughgirl
Jimmyjack
Ptsdkid
Felicity
Orackle25
Aryan imperium

It is really pathetic when we see people calling other users “scumbags”.

Please grow up Steen.

 

[Stace]

It is really pathetic when we see people calling other users “scumbags”.

Please grow up Steen.

First of all, this is the basement now, so anything goes.

Secondly, you haven't exactly been Gentleman Of The Year when talking to people lately, so you have no room to talk.

Third, you sound like an 8 year old. "Waaaah, steen called me a scumbag! *sniff* That's not very nice." Perhaps it's YOU that needs to grow up. Again, this is the basement, son. If you can't take the heat (and trust me, I can think of far worse names that steen could have called you), get out of the kitchen, so to speak.

 

[steen]

Yes, I was being kind.