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Abortion is a good thing

Bodi said:
Actually I doubt that any want more rapes... they just want less abortions. The Left is as melodramatic as the Right with accusations flying about.
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I'm not so sure. Remember Paul Ryan's "Rape is a method of reproduction" or some such nonsense? If you want more babies, you don't just want fewer abortions - you don't actually care how the pregnancies come about. In my book, that's a recipe for thinking rape isn't so bad if girls and women start to refuse consent to sex. I don't see that as melodramatic. But of course, I've been a rape victim/survivor.
 
LittleNipper said:
I know of no individual apart from a loving mother who would place the life of an unborn child above that of herself. What must be understood is that where a baby dies in an effort to save the life of the mother, it is a sacrifice of a life for a life --------- and not a disposal of undesired garbage. A society that respects the life of the unborn, will respect ALL life. A society that picks and chooses, can always change its mind of whose life is most important.
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I disagree with your idea. No baby has ever died to save the life of its mother - that would depend on being born, as the unborn aren't babies - but no unborn ever dies to save the life of the woman it is inside of. Instead, when a woman has an abortion to save her life, the unborn ceases to receive life from that woman. That life belongs to the woman and not to the fetus. You don't have your own life until you're born.

And a society that respects the life of the unborn as if it belonged to the unborn and not the woman does not in fact respect the life of the woman and is unable to do so because it prematurely claims that part of her life belongs to the unborn. That's sick.
 
LittleNipper said:
Or better for both the child and the woman --- she can donate the baby to a couple that wants one but cannot have one on their own.
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That is NOT better for the woman. It's better for other people. You just want women to be forced against their will to suffer detriment for other people. We already have your number.
 
LittleNipper said:
Or better for both the child and the woman --- she can donate the baby to a couple that wants one but cannot have one on their own.
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Why should any woman be forced to gestate and have her body used to benefit another, especially if she does not want to? Besides, there are already lots of children waiting for adoption or in the foster care system. It's illogical to add more
 
choiceone said:
No, a fetus is a fetus and a newborn or older infant is a baby.
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The woman who disposes of the mere fetus hopefully will be provided a later opportunity by GOD when she really wants one. But I know several women who never had another opportunity to have a child, and they are most distressed.
 
LittleNipper said:
I wish my children to marry for all the RIGHT reasons. And I am still marred and have never been divorced. Have we had our differences, absolutely. Have we been disappointed with each other at times ---yes. But I still love my wife and she loves me. And I didn't get married until I was in my early thirties. I wanted it to be a lifetime commitment and waited for Miss Right For Me to come along.

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Irrelevant to the debate.
 
LittleNipper said:
Why don't you let GOD worry about that?
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Remember that 50% divorce stat? All part of God's plan.
LittleNipper said:
Your husband could use condoms. Just because a couple has sex doesn't always mean that a child is being created. Most families I know have two to three children. They are not nearly as easy to have as the movies and television suggest. Most are the result of many many happy moments. You husband could get a vasectomy, but I do know of one case where years later a tube rerouted. GOD simply wanted them to have another ----- and they were very happy!
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God also wants children out of wedlock and raped 12 year old's giving birth? Is that your argument?
 
Bodi said:
Remember that 50% divorce stat? All part of God's plan.

God also wants children out of wedlock and raped 12 year old's giving birth? Is that your argument?
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It's not a perfect world. Humanity has ruined it.
 
Bodi said:
Everybody should have total control over their own body and a woman should be legally allowed to get it out.. . as she already morally has that right.
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how do we know she morally has that right? where's that moral right come from?
 
LittleNipper said:
The woman who disposes of the mere fetus hopefully will be provided a later opportunity by GOD when she really wants one. But I know several women who never had another opportunity to have a child, and they are most distressed.
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I'm guessing they were anti-abortion people. I had a Korean tutorial client - he and his wife were anti-choice and when they tried to get pregnant, it didn't happen, so he asked me what they could do? I told him that God can't answer your prayer regarding getting pregnant if every night you ask him not to answer the prayer of the girl or woman who doesn't want to be pregnant but is. They were asking God to be self-contradictory - such an error. He understood and they both decided to be pro-choice. They then got pregnant. God isn't all that mysterious, just self-consistent.
 
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choiceone said:
I'm guessing they were anti-abortion people. I had a Korean tutorial client - he and his wife were anti-choice and when they tried to get pregnant, it didn't happen, so he asked me what they could do? I told him that God can't answer your prayer regarding getting pregnant if every night you ask him not to answer the prayer of the girl or woman who doesn't want to be pregnant but is. They were asking God to be self-contradictory - such an error. He understood and they both decided to be pro-choice. They then got pregnant. God isn't all that mysterious, just self-consistent.
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That is an awesome story! :)
 
LittleNipper said:
The woman who disposes of the mere fetus hopefully will be provided a later opportunity by GOD when she really wants one.
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If god provides it, why is sex needed?
LittleNipper said:
But I know several women who never had another opportunity to have a child, and they are most distressed.
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And many women do not want children to begin with.
LittleNipper said:
It's not a perfect world. Humanity has ruined it.
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Religion doesn't help it.
 
Bodi said:
And I guess this is where your argument falls completely apart?
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It fell apart long before that.
Bodi said:
Irrelevant to the debate.
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I have not seen many actually address the debate, namely the points presented in the article itself. I suppose I should not be surprised either.
 
Bodi said:
And I guess this is where your argument falls completely apart?
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No, that is where JESUS the MESSIAH provides the only opportunity to once again be right with GOD. If evolution makes you feel good about your eternity and the world --- enjoy.
 
Logician Man said:
Been married 51 years. Been best friends since we were 12. Yet one more indicator you have ZERO business passing your misguided judgement on anyone. You were babbling something about making "not very bright comments"?
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Logician Man said:
Been married 51 years. Been best friends since we were 12. Yet one more indicator you have ZERO business passing your misguided judgement on anyone. You were babbling something about making "not very bright comments"?
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Okay then, Logicman. You’ve been married 51 years to your best friend since the age of 12 years old. Is your wife a good or poor example? Of a woman? And what brings you to that conclusion? Opinion? Or fact?
 
Scrabaholic said:
One does not have to accept a gift. Gifts can be returned. Any man who is in favour of forcing women to gestate and deliver against her will is a misogynist.
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And any woman who voluntarily has sex, gets pregnant, and aborts the unborn child is not a good example of a woman. But of course you call that reproductive healthcare. Can you smile when you say healthcare in the same sentence as abortion?

And btw, I don’t mind being called a misogynist. It’s just another “wokeism”. If you don’t agree with a person you can just call them an ugly name. Thats how you fake conservatives do it. Just like the progressives.
 
Bodi said:
That is an opinion.

It is a great way to live a life...

People that judge others are a poor example of a human being.
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You judged me. You said I’m a poor example of a human being. How did you come to that JUDGMENT.?
 
LittleNipper said:
No, that is where JESUS the MESSIAH provides the only opportunity to once again be right with GOD. If evolution makes you feel good about your eternity and the world --- enjoy.
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This is not a religious debate nor is it even in the religion forum.

You lost this debate. Accept it and move on.
 
Bodi said:
And I guess this is where your argument falls completely apart?
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If abortion is a good thing, throwing away animals and dumping trash out the window is a good thing. The individual gets to do the easy thing and move on by letting someone else deal with the issue.
 
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