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Abortion and Slavery equal?[W:1136]

Re: Abotion and Slavery equal?

It certainly is to the ZEF and to a father that doesn't want the baby aborted...

The zef is incapable of having feelings or opinions. The 'father', if he doesn't agree with abortion, should not boink women who would abort should they conceive or he should wrap it up aka use a condom. When he plays hide the weenie with a woman, he knows he has no legal say in what she does should she get knocked up.
 
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But that aside I am pretty sure one in particular was using depro-provera and stopped using it without telling her husband specifically so she would get pregnant. My point that men who don't want children can and are affected stands.

I don't condone women doing that, in fact I think it's despicable

This does go both ways, though. I have a friend who was dating a guy who put holes in the condoms to try to knock her up. He told her this when her period was late and she was worries about pregnancy. She was pregnant, and she did not tell him and had an abortion. Then she told him her period came and she wasn't pregnant and broke up with him. I can't blame her for doing what she did given the despicable thing he did to try to trap her into a permanent relationship.
 
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I am fairly certain that she was pro-choice. But why would that matter? She didn't want kids and then felt her biological clock ticking and stated she wanted a kid but not a partner (husband). She went to clubs with us and looked for a particular guy that met certain qualifications that she had and she proceeded to party with him for a week purposely getting pregnant. She told me flat out she was getting child support and wanted nothing to do with him.

That woman is outrageous. At least in New York, it might have been possible for him to prosecute her for rape, because she got him drunk to do this.

This all stemmed from a comment I made that a man that doesn't want kids can be affected and not about a woman that was pro-choice, btw.

I see the flow of the posts.

No, but also irrelevant. It is a big deal regardless of it being aware. It's death IS A BIG DEAL.

I actually don't know if death is a big deal or not, as I have not experienced it, so I can't agree or disagree. I just figured that, if the embryo couldn't experience, the point would be moot.

I don't see how this is relevant to my statement...

I am agreeing that men who don't want children should not be violated like the guy in your example. However, I am pointing out that the point at which men have to choose whether or not to stop pregnancy is at the point of having or not having sex, because, if you give away your sperm, you can't reclaim them. They go into someone else's physical possession. And that does not happen for women at that point.
 
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Not in the first trimester, when the vast majority of abortions are done.

But some are done later and that is the point...

...your defense is like saying, "most innocent people aren't put in prison or to death... but some are".

The zef is incapable of having feelings or opinions. The 'father', if he doesn't agree with abortion, should not boink women who would abort should they conceive or he should wrap it up aka use a condom. When he plays hide the weenie with a woman, he knows he has no legal say in what she does should she get knocked up.

I never talked about feelings or opinions of the ZEF...

...so you advocate a sexless existence for men simply because women have a mythical "right" to abort their developing child?

I don't condone women doing that, in fact I think it's despicable

Yeah... it is horrible.

This does go both ways, though. I have a friend who was dating a guy who put holes in the condoms to try to knock her up. He told her this when her period was late and she was worries about pregnancy. She was pregnant, and she did not tell him and had an abortion. Then she told him her period came and she wasn't pregnant and broke up with him. I can't blame her for doing what she did given the despicable thing he did to try to trap her into a permanent relationship.

The guy is a rat bastard... but the fact remains that she has/had ALL the power over whether or not she remained pregnant.
 
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That woman is outrageous. At least in New York, it might have been possible for him to prosecute her for rape, because she got him drunk to do this.

I agree that she is/was... I am not saying that I wished her ill at all but karma struck her down for good or ill. She suffered a massive stroke while giving birth and was hospitalized for months and the last I saw her she was in pretty bad shape.

I see the flow of the posts.

Then you agree with me... good.

I actually don't know if death is a big deal or not, as I have not experienced it, so I can't agree or disagree. I just figured that, if the embryo couldn't experience, the point would be moot.

Fair enough... but for all we know we have experienced hundreds of deaths and rebirths and just can't remember them. I guess it would still not qualify as a big deal since we lack the memory though...

I am agreeing that men who don't want children should not be violated like the guy in your example. However, I am pointing out that the point at which men have to choose whether or not to stop pregnancy is at the point of having or not having sex, because, if you give away your sperm, you can't reclaim them. They go into someone else's physical possession. And that does not happen for women at that point.

Agreed...
 
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Mac...Bod...


Legal doesn't make abortion right? Oh really? Legal doesn't make abortion moral? Oh really?

Abortion isn't about moral relativism. It's not about cultural relativism.

Abortion is completely about ethical subjectivism.

A woman who becomes pregnant is the only person on the planet (or elsewhere in the known or unknown universe) who knows that she has conceived.

"Not sharing that conception event" with any other human, and then she decides to terminate that conception - the impact or consequences of that termination with regard to any other person on the planet, other than the woman who made the decision to terminate a conception, is "ZERO"...absolutely zero...and can't be proven to be otherwise.

ZEFs, at the stage that the VAST MAJORITY are terminated, simply are not self-aware. The DNA donor involved in conception, otherwise known as the father, does experience any biological changes with a ZEF, and therefore can't begin to claim a biological attachment to a ZEF. And if the male DNA donor has no knowledge that a ZEF exist, it is impossible for that male to experience any negative emotional consequences should such a ZEF be terminated.

I dare anybody to define the true, genuine negative social consequences and/or impact on humanity, as a whole, resulting from abortions. Please spare us all from predictions about all of the could have beens if. No persons among us know what the future holds.

No person knows if a conception will produce an Einstein or a Hitler. There is ZERO proof that a natural miscarriage or intentional abortion can or will inhibit the proliferation of the human species - or even reduce the overall quality of life for humanity. One thing is very clear, with ample evidence. The human population is growing at rapid speeds.
 
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Slavery was legal. Alchohol was legal, illegal, then legal again. Legality =/= morality.

more side-tracking bull****, Mac....address my post in its full content and context.
 
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more side-tracking bull****, Mac....address my post in its full content and context.

I did. Legality =/= morality. Therefore, being legal does not make it right. In fact, your rambling, verbose post actually says that.
 
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I did. Legality =/= morality. Therefore, being legal does not make it right. In fact, your rambling, verbose post actually says that.

That's what I thought. More nonsense, empty, meaningless nonsense in response to the following:

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Legal doesn't make abortion right? Oh really? Legal doesn't make abortion moral? Oh really?

Abortion isn't about moral relativism. It's not about cultural relativism.

Abortion is completely about ethical subjectivism.

A woman who becomes pregnant is the only person on the planet (or elsewhere in the known or unknown universe) who knows that she has conceived.

"Not sharing that conception event" with any other human, and then she decides to terminate that conception - the impact or consequences of that termination with regard to any other person on the planet, other than the woman who made the decision to terminate a conception, is "ZERO"...absolutely zero...and can't be proven to be otherwise.

ZEFs, at the stage that the VAST MAJORITY are terminated, simply are not self-aware. The DNA donor involved in conception, otherwise known as the father, does experience any biological changes with a ZEF, and therefore can't begin to claim a biological attachment to a ZEF. And if the male DNA donor has no knowledge that a ZEF exist, it is impossible for that male to experience any negative emotional consequences should such a ZEF be terminated.

I dare anybody to define the true, genuine negative social consequences and/or impact on humanity, as a whole, resulting from abortions. Please spare us all from predictions about all of the could have beens if. No persons among us know what the future holds.

No person knows if a conception will produce an Einstein or a Hitler. There is ZERO proof that a natural miscarriage or intentional abortion can or will inhibit the proliferation of the human species - or even reduce the overall quality of life for humanity. One thing is very clear, with ample evidence. The human population is growing at rapid speeds.

I will admit that you are pretty good at avoiding, evading, diverting, distracting from, and distorting.

Abortion isn't about slavery. It never has had anything to do with slavery...anymore than it does about the moral issues related to robbing a 7-11.

Next comparative crusade gonna be about the horrors of eating chicken embryos...AKA breakfast eggs?
 
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...I will admit that you are pretty good at avoiding, evading, diverting, distracting from, and distorting.

Abortion isn't about slavery. It never has had anything to do with slavery...anymore than it does about the moral issues related to robbing a 7-11...

comparing abortion to slavery, the Holocaust, the Holodomor, the Armenian Genocide, etc etc...is intellectually asburd, morally bankrupt, and shows just how offensive & low Pro-Lifers are willing to go to argue their point. Hell, we even had a guy here suggest that Jewish women who abort their ZEFs are helping Hitler's War against the Jews.
 
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yeah, ALCOHOL was illegal. but its a stupid comparison.

No it isn't, legality changes. That's a fact, and alcohol in America is a perfect example of that. Not understanding that comparison is stupid.
 
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No it isn't, legality changes. That's a fact, and alcohol in America is a perfect example of that. Not understanding that comparison is stupid.

no, your comparison was & still is stupid.
 
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That's what I thought. More nonsense, empty, meaningless nonsense in response to the following:



I will admit that you are pretty good at avoiding, evading, diverting, distracting from, and distorting.

Abortion isn't about slavery. It never has had anything to do with slavery...anymore than it does about the moral issues related to robbing a 7-11.

Next comparative crusade gonna be about the horrors of eating chicken embryos...AKA breakfast eggs?

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Let's focus, shall we. The argument concerns the ethical morality of abortion as a result of it's legality. The counter is that the legality of an issue has no bearing on the morality of it. Since the legality of many issues have changed throughout the history of law, it's plainly evident that an issue is not morally "right" simply because it is legal.

There is no avoiding, evading, diverting, distracting from and distorting. It's full on, straight forward, addressing your pathetic argument.
 
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Yep. IMHO

It was stupid to try to make alcohol and abortion illegal.
 
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The woman put the "product of conception" there. Whatever the particular circumstances, she did, so I don't think a "trespassing" argument would hold up.
 
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The woman put the "product of conception" there. Whatever the particular circumstances, she did, so I don't think a "trespassing" argument would hold up.

The man put the ''Product of Conception" there.
The woman has a right to kick it out or she can choose to invite it to stay.
 
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The man put the ''Product of Conception" there.
The woman has a right to kick it out or she can choose to invite it to stay.

What? You're assuming that the woman had no part in the decision, that she is nothing but a vessel and a victim. Most sex is consensual, Minnie.
 
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What? You're assuming that the woman had no part in the decision, that she is nothing but a vessel and a victim. Most sex is consensual, Minnie.

Even consent to sex is not consent to become pregnant ,especially when a method of birth control is/was used.
You are correct that the woman often is a vessel and a victim.
 
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