A young kid radicalized with hate. How did that happen?

[JMR]

I feel so sad for the father who turned his own son in. I can't imagine how someone can live with that. The question of this thread is how a young kid like that was radicalized and how we can prevent it, or even if we can.

I was shocked to see what appeared to be a rational view being expressed by the OP. Then of course I progressed to the 4th sentence, which was a reversion to the usual "evil left is the enemy" BS.

But ignoring that load of shit for now, it's important to get back to his question of how indeed did the shooter become radicalized? He did by visiting 4chan, and sick game sites, and other even more toxic interactions on the internet, probably while no one in his family had the power to intervene. Until our society puts the mental health of its children on a higher level of priority, and parents recognize that 5 year olds do not need cell phones or internet access, and that their pre-teen knows more about using electronic devices than they will ever imagine, it's going to get worse. Lonely kids are easy prey for very sick forces online.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

I condemn starting any violence. But if you attack me, FAFO. Every person has the right of self defense. Fair enough?

I appreciate that you're going like 10% of the direction I'm asking you to go.

But I am not talking about your own ethos with respect to someone attacking you personally.

I am talking about the informational/propaganda environment we are now living through.

I am frustrated by the general lack of response from people on the Right to the incendiary comments I showed you. Those right-wing figures on X are spreading a conspiracy theory that the "whole Left" is out to get people on the Right. That's just not true. And Trump is amplifying that message as well. Saying that it's okay to attack everyone on the Left, or start a whole second civil war, out of "self defense" because one lone assassin out of 330 million Americans killed Charlie Kirk, is effing crazy. And it's within that context that their comments represent an encouragement to attack everyone on the Left, including all Democrats.

Now, you presented these comments from the Left Wingers. Asked me to condemn them. I did.

I then asked you to condemn these comments from the Right. And instead of doing that you gave a blanket condemnation of violence in the abstract, which was not what I asked.

 

[911Sparky]

Charlie Kirk's wife Erika addresses nation in first remarks

President Donald Trump announced Friday on “FOX & Friends” that an arrest was made in the manhunt for Charlie Kirk’s assassin. “I think, with a high degree of certainty, we have him in custody” Trump said.

www.foxnews.com

I feel so sad for the father who turned his own son in. I can't imagine how someone can live with that. The question of this thread is how a young kid like that was radicalized and how we can prevent it, or even if we can. Today we see chat rooms, debate sites, Democrat politicians, college professors, major TV anchors and The View spewing hateful rhetoric 24/7.

Apparently you never listened to Charlie Kirk speak. Those you listed above never come close to the hate spewed by Kirk on a daily basis.

 

[Captain Adverse]

It's not a mystery. It's the media. The enemy of the people. They've normalized demonizing people they disagree with. And now, unhinged leftists are acting out.

Correct. It is the media and the power of propaganda that has led to where extremism in the U.S. exists today. All their actions follow the tenets of propaganda published by Joesph Goebbels.

Examples:

"If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it, and you will even come to believe it yourself."

"A lie told once remains a lie, but a lie told a thousand times becomes the truth."

"Propaganda works best when those who are being manipulated are confident they are acting on their own free will."

"The rank and file are usually much more primitive than we imagine. Propaganda must therefore always be essentially simple and repetitious."

"Not every item of news should be published. Rather must those who control news policies endeavor to make every item of news serve a certain purpose."

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[upsideguy]

Charlie Kirk's wife Erika addresses nation in first remarks

President Donald Trump announced Friday on “FOX & Friends” that an arrest was made in the manhunt for Charlie Kirk’s assassin. “I think, with a high degree of certainty, we have him in custody” Trump said.

www.foxnews.com

I feel so sad for the father who turned his own son in. I can't imagine how someone can live with that. The question of this thread is how a young kid like that was radicalized and how we can prevent it, or even if we can. Today we see chat rooms, debate sites, Democrat politicians, college professors, major TV anchors and The View spewing hateful rhetoric 24/7. The United States now is in a state of intense tribalism from all the hate speech, mainly from the left. I am no Christian, but Charlie Kirk was a great debater and all-around great person. So what that he believed in a god and no abortions and everything the left holds dear such as no police, trans operations for 5-year-olds, no marriage, etc. He is to be killed for that? In a sane society...NO!

We are no longer a sane society, thanks to media and politicians elected because they don't believe anyone should be punished for their crimes because they grew up poor or because they hate capitalism and want free stuff.

Here is what YOU can do.... start by actually understanding the point of view of those you disagree with. Your generalizations and exaggerations are shallow. If you really believe that, you have lack the fundamental understanding of American politics and should not be posting here as you are over your head. That said, you are smart enough to know such is not true, so don't be disingenuous as it is a form of lying. Hence, understand the other side and actually debate real issues, not exaggerations.

 

[hecatmoggie]

View attachment 67588798

Liberal source

 

[JMR]

Liberal source

Central Left, Mostly Factual Reporting......yeah, so liberal.

 

[hecatmoggie]

Not on video though. The video does not have the require resolution.

that's possible

 

[hecatmoggie]

No more and less sense than OJ climbing a fence to enter his yard, stumbling against his ADU, dropping a bloody glove...blah blah blah.
Then again, many or most crimes are solved by folks making the mistake of not making sense.

again, that's a valid point, with so much adrenaline and pressure and paranoia upon completing the act that they'd played in their minds 1000 times .... they can do stupid things absolutely

 

[hecatmoggie]

Central Left, Mostly Factual Reporting......yeah, so liberal.

I'm guessing that source cherry picked to leave out most of the blacks who've killed people over the last 3 decades ..... unless they're trying to say blacks are almost always Republicans which we know isn't true or, they're leaving our/cherry picking murderers

 

[Manc Skipper]

He was 22 Kirk was 31. He was radicalized

By Fuentes, it seems. A groyper fundamentalist.

 

[JMR]

I'm guessing that source cherry picked to leave out most of the blacks who've killed people over the last 3 decades ..... unless they're trying to say blacks are almost always Republicans which we know isn't true or, they're leaving our/cherry picking murderers

Are you assuming all "the blacks" are democrats?

 

[Anthony60]

I have seen none.

You have not either.

Of course, you are lying, have no clue, or both. You'd really have to have your head in the sand to make a post like yours. Just because you claim to not have seen any, likely a lie, doesn't mean they don't exist.

 

[hecatmoggie]

Are you assuming all "the blacks" are democrats?

voting wise not all but a very large % yes

I was replying actually to a reference to a The Economist and a graph they had of violence/mass murders .... they cherry pick and ignore the violence they choose to IMO

 

[JMR]

voting wise not all but a very large % yes

I was replying actually to a reference to a The Economist and a graph they had of violence/mass murders .... they cherry pick and ignore the violence they choose to IMO

I can imagine you could be upset by seeing facts that are uncomfortable.

 

[hecatmoggie]

I can imagine you could be upset by seeing facts that are uncomfortable.

I'd like to see the links vs a picture and how they formed their view

because I'm pretty sure they cherry picked and omitted to get the results they wanted

 

[JMR]

Apparently you never listened to Charlie Kirk speak. Those you listed above never come close to the hate spewed by Kirk on a daily basis.

We can't expect FoxNews to not cherry pick in order to keep Trump happy with the reporting...

 

[JMR]

I'd like to see the links vs a picture and how they formed their view

because I'm pretty sure they cherry picked and omitted to get the results they wanted

Google is easy....maybe this is what you're looking for:

https://www.adl.org/resources/report/murder-and-extremism-united-states-2024

 

[Paradoxical]

Apparently you never listened to Charlie Kirk speak. Those you listed above never come close to the hate spewed by Kirk on a daily basis.

That is the way super serious religious people believe. It is taught to them by other religious people that firmly believe what the bible says. I heard that he listened to some pastor and was heavily influenced by him. No different from the left listening to jerks like Schumer, Jeffries, AOC, JOY Reid, The view and TV anchors. He was indoctrinated into Christianity and believed every sentence of the bible was god inspired. 50, 60, 70 years ago his beliefs were mainstream and non-believers just shrugged. Today they go haywire. I am no fan at all of Christianity, but to suggest that he was spewing hate speech is a stretch. He was one of the more mellow and meek and kind Christians and for the left to be angry that he is out talking about his beliefs is crazy. A friend of mine wasn't even aware that he was an avid believer.

 

[Serenity]

I have not read the replies in the thread, I've only just come online, but i just want to say that I can't imagine being a parent that has a child that does that to begin with and then be the one to convince him he must turn himself in.

It's just heartbreaking. I am so sorry for everyone who is now suffering that is involved in this tragedy. Charlie Kirk's family especially. No words. Beyond horrible.

 

[noonereal]

Of course, you are lying, have no clue, or both. You'd really have to have your head in the sand to make a post like yours. Just because you claim to not have seen any, likely a lie, doesn't mean they don't exist.

Evidence. Thanks

 

[Paradoxical]

Correct. It is the media and the power of propaganda that has led to where extremism in the U.S. exists today. All their actions follow the tenets of propaganda published by Joesph Goebbels.

Examples:

"If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it, and you will even come to believe it yourself."

"A lie told once remains a lie, but a lie told a thousand times becomes the truth."

"Propaganda works best when those who are being manipulated are confident they are acting on their own free will."

"The rank and file are usually much more primitive than we imagine. Propaganda must therefore always be essentially simple and repetitious."

"Not every item of news should be published. Rather must those who control news policies endeavor to make every item of news serve a certain purpose."

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The media must take mandatory classes of Goebbels teachings.

 

[Paradoxical]

Here is what YOU can do.... start by actually understanding the point of view of those you disagree with. Your generalizations and exaggerations are shallow. If you really believe that, you have lack the fundamental understanding of American politics and should not be posting here as you are over your head. That said, you are smart enough to know such is not true, so don't be disingenuous as it is a form of lying. Hence, understand the other side and actually debate real issues, not exaggerations.

LOL

 

[Jetboogieman]

Correct. It is the media and the power of propaganda that has led to where extremism in the U.S. exists today. All their actions follow the tenets of propaganda published by Joesph Goebbels.

Examples:

"If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it, and you will even come to believe it yourself."

"A lie told once remains a lie, but a lie told a thousand times becomes the truth."

"Propaganda works best when those who are being manipulated are confident they are acting on their own free will."

"The rank and file are usually much more primitive than we imagine. Propaganda must therefore always be essentially simple and repetitious."

"Not every item of news should be published. Rather must those who control news policies endeavor to make every item of news serve a certain purpose."

TOP 25 QUOTES BY JOSEPH GOEBBELS (of 105) | A-Z Quotes

Discover Joseph Goebbels famous and rare quotes. Share Joseph Goebbels quotations about propaganda, lying and war. "If you repeat a lie often enough, people..."

www.azquotes.com

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Supports the biggest lying sack of shit to ever be President.

 

[Anthony60]

Evidence. Thanks

There's an internet full loser, A-hole libs celebrating. But, go ahead and keep your head in the sand.